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Old 03-23-2004, 08:58 AM   #69 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Yes Israel is occupying Gaza and West Bank. As it stands they have been wanting to dump the land back into the hands of Arab control for 30+ years. Their occupation is still going on because of on going military missions to stop terrorism after two infitida's. I don't think Iraq is a bad comparison to the situation in Israel, Europe has been trying to pass sanctions and penalties onto Israel for a great many years because of the "illegal occupation", the US just vetoes them all down.

I think you need to do some more dirt digging Pan, Israel is not the lone gunman when it comes to the plight of the Palestinians. The Palestinians have been exploited by Jordan and Syria for nearly 40 years now. The fact that Palestinians can become Israeli citizens and have full rights there, or the fact that if they stay in the West Bank under Jordan and get no rights speaks volumes.
Again, no points, nothing to allow me to open my mind. Just more "Do your own research". Hell, you guys aren't even showing me where to start, yet I am to believe all my facts and research to date is wrong solely because you say so?

Just remember this, people in this thread came to you asking for knowledge (peacefully) and you chose not to give them any. As stated before that is worse than us having "false and faulty beliefs" because by your unwillingness to show anything, you perpetrate intentionally those beliefs to become even more firm and feelings of "why does it matter?" to continue. It all snowballs to where people, like me who do have open minds say, "fuck it, why should I care anymore?" (Unfortunately, speaking just for myself, I love life and living on this planet and learning others' ideas before we all destroy each other.)

As Billions of tax dollars go over there, I think the US people deserve to know what kind of people we are truly supporting in Isreal. Because the tax dollars we are sending over happens to be cutting into the education, health and growth of this country. Plus with that deficit thingy and all it's cutting into the future of the US in every aspect. But it's ok, we'll keep politicians in office who won't question and they'll keep sending you the checks.

Perhaps Isreal doesn't want peace. The more problems there are in the Middle East the more the US turns its back on what Isreal does and the more tax dollars Isreal gets from the US and UK to buy more WMD's, and perpetrate more hate and more troubles in that region. Aw well, we all have to die sometime, just was hoping a generation someday would be living without fear of the Middle East.

By the way............ you were the one who told me that ISREAL WASN'T THERE TO BEGIN WITH, now when confronted with facts you admit they do, but only because they are trying to instill peace. Either you are flat out lying or you truly don't know what's going on and you just can't admit that your beliefs are as faulty as mine.

You state they have been trying to get rid of Gaza, then why did they fight the 7 day war for it? Why when given oppurtunities left and right to rid themselves of it do they keep it?
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