Ah now this is an excellent direction.
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Originally posted by tecoyah
The opposite of this.
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Tecoyah have you not in so stating this, just closed your own mind to my ideas? You have dismissed them without intellectual probing.
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Originally posted by wicked4182
No, that's lying. Fundamentally, you suggest killing is wrong, and unless you would agree that this is true at all times, it can't be given such a label.
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So you are saying we know the truth, and hence can lie about it? Do you think that all racists think they are lying? Do you simply not have the balls to say 'THAT IS NOT TRUE' and are trying to get around the issue.
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That is correct. They don't want to be judged as morally right or wrong because... there is no moral right or wrong. The people who believe in these judgements judge quickly and ignorantly things that have such labels applied.
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Again, no moral right or wrong? So how would the racist statement be a lie. You SAID there is no moral right or wrong. Therefore its ok if I rape and murder if its morally ok to me? People do this all the time, we lock up these people because it is WRONG. Have the courage to stand up and say something is wrong.
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Yes let us start with removing these false morals, mediums of control, we can erase this evolutionary flaw that has occurred in our minds. Surely you can see they are the cause of much human suffering.
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No surely I can't. We have evolved for the last 4-5 billion years, and part of the evolution as a social creature has been knowing how to get along with each other. This includes moral judgements. They may be different based on how/where/when a society is, but a society can NOT function without some basic moral judgments. Harm can be done, but a society without morals is not a society. EVERY social intelligent animal has its morals of sorts, its order, its rules, wolves, dolphins, apes, and people.
Having an open mind means you must look at things logically and intelligently. You must base each case on its merits. If you think being open means you must accept everything as 'ok' you are being naive.
Lets take some real life examples.
I am not a homosexual. I have no desire to experience homosexual contact. I am still accepting of homosexuals, and think they have a right to function in society.
I am not a pedophile. I have no desire to experience pedophilia. I think pedophiles have no place in society and should be locked up.
Both examples are value judgements based on moral principles. Some people would disagree. I assume many of you have heard of NAMBLA. I have evaluated their arguments and reject them and think they have no place in society and should they attempt to do what they want to I think they should be locked away.
Am I close minded to think so?