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Old 03-16-2004, 04:31 PM   #14 (permalink)
Tophat665
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Originally posted by Strange Famous
It is my honest, and total and belief, that the political state of America has been for a number of years hijacked by a Right Wing agenda that it's people do not support. Fueled by capital, a bipartisan system of two right wing parties, a media that is constantly far to the right of the American people, through the lack of choice, through outright lies, through bribery and threat and indoctrination, the forces of money and state power have piece by piece stolen America from its people and its ideals.
So far, so good, but, when a Brit says it's time to reclaim America, we start really liking our second ammendment.

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I dont mean that the American people are fundamentally Democrat rather than Republican, there is no majot ideological difference between the two parties, which are both conservative and love capital and hate the working class - the American elections are merely elections of personalities, not principles, not policies, not ideology.
I disagree. There is a fundamental difference between the republican and demorcratic parties. I'll elucidate when I have a nice, pithy way to encapsulate a distinction that would be difficult to perceive from the far left in Europe.

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It is my belief that:

The majority of American people do not want to outlaw gay marriages, they say that people should be free to marry who the wish and the state doesnt have the right to stop them
Not exactly. The majority of Americans are in favor of civil rights for gays, but it gets to be closer to even when you talk about marriage. We are the descendants of people who left/were thrown out of Europe largely for extreme religious beliefs. Marriage is the closest approach of religion and governance in this country, and it hasn't ocurred to a distressingly large number of people that a religious ceremony may be have the same name as a govrenment document and be entirely separate. One people figure that out, it's a question of constitutionality.

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[b}The majority of American people support a free choice for women with regards to abortion, they acknowledge that the state does not have the right to tell women what to do with their own bodies, and that all women should be supported in taking this most difficult choice.[/b]
Pretty close to 50/50 there

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The majority of American people believe that wealthy corporations and individuals should pay more tax than people struggling to get by.
The majority of people work for wealthy people and corporations and are too easily convinced that raising those taxes puts their livelihoods in jeopardy.

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The majority of American people, while they support their troops, believe in peace, they do not want to fight in Afghanistan, Iraq, Kora, Vietnam, or anywhere else. The American people understand that the only just war is a war of self defence, and that conquest is never just.
Flattery will get you nowhere. You have this exactly backwards.

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The American people believe in and support universal health care for all, funded by the state, from the cradle to the grave.
The American People believe that health care is their right, but are unwilling to pay for it.

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The American people want more funding on their school system which is struggling terribly, rather than more cruise missiles.
While it is true that I think you're right that a majority of Americans are in favor of higher school budgets, the system as it stands make that mean higher local taxes, which Americans without school aged childeren and those who can afford a private education for their childeren are nearly universally against. Cruise missiles don't enter into it - that's just a strawman.

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The American people believe in welfare, in unemployment insurance, in helping the homeless get back on their feet,
Academically, maybe. Practically, Americans are easily dissuaded from footing the bill for this by anecdotes of people who cheat the system.

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... in religious and cultural freedom for all people of all colour and creeds.
Again, academically. I think if you tack "except Muslims and freaky cult people" onto that, you'd get a solid majority.

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These are the ideals which made America the greatest and most powerful nation in the world, these are .....
Enough... SF, I am glad we have you around - your outlook is often refresing and always interesting - but please don't presume to speak for my country.
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