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Old 03-16-2004, 01:50 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: It is time to reclaim America

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Originally posted by Strange Famous
It is my honest, and total and belief, that the political state of America has been for a number of years hijacked by a Right Wing agenda that it's people do not support. Fueled by capital, a bipartisan system of two right wing parties, a media that is constantly far to the right of the American people, through the lack of choice, through outright lies, through bribery and threat and indoctrination, the forces of money and state power have piece by piece stolen America from its people and its ideals.


Let me throw this out there.. The news media in America is most definately NOT right wing biased. This has been the case for years. News outlets have for a long time been VERY VERY left wing. Fox News comes the closest to being partial to the right wing... and thats about it. The only media outlet that has a conservitive/republican twist is talk radio.


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I dont mean that the American people are fundamentally Democrat rather than Republican, there is no majot ideological difference between the two parties, which are both conservative and love capital and hate the working class - the American elections are merely elections of personalities, not principles, not policies, not ideology.

The majority of American people do not want to outlaw gay marriages, they say that people should be free to marry who the wish and the state doesnt have the right to stop them
Well thats an interesting one. Its basically just the religious right getting in the way. The poloticians dont want to lose that demographic by supporting gay marriage. Think about it.. 10% of the population is gay, the non religious portion of the straight population is probably just apathetic, and the religious right (bigger percentage of the pop than homosexuals) is adamantly opposed to such a thing. They're going with the voters. Keep it banned and they only piss of 10% of the people.

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The majority of American people support a free choice for women with regards to abortion, they acknowledge that the state does not have the right to tell women what to do with their own bodies, and that all women should be supported in taking this most difficult choice.
Any woman today has the right to make that choice. Abortion is legal. I dont see it going anywhere soon.

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The majority of American people believe that wealthy corporations and individuals should pay more tax than people struggling to get by.
I personally dont believe this. I loved Forbes flat tax idea. In any case, this is already true today. Corperations and wealthy individuals pay a considerable amount of the taxes. I forget the statistic, but something like the richest 20% of the populations pays over 50% or 60% (mabye higher) of the taxes in this country.

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The American people believe in and support universal health care for all, funded by the state, from the cradle to the grave.
I would stand against any such legislation. If our government is filled with such crooked criminals as you claim, why would you surrender control of our medical system to these people. I think the majority of Americans feel the same way. Not many are all that opposed to the idea of nationalized healthcare. They just realize that our government has a piss poor chance at doing it right.

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The American people want more funding on their school system which is struggling terribly, rather than more cruise missiles.
Privatize more education, and school vouchers. Give the people a choice. Yes, look at our education system, the underpaid teachers, classrooms without enough books, etc. Can you not see the disaster that would be nationalized healthcare if it were ever to come about in the US?

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These are the ideals of the people, and no presidential candidate from either main party has ever supported these ideals, not in the lifetime of any poster on this board. The forces of capital have captured America, but it can be reclaimed, it must be reclaimed for America to remain what it set out to be.

A land of opportunity and freedom, not patriot acts and the jack boot. A land of enterprise and creativity, not the sweat shop and the fat cat corporation, a land of beauty not a land of pollution, a land of the free rather than the land of the fearful.

The American people reject utterly the crooked Washington stuffed shirts that are shoved before them every 4 years, that is why so many people dont bother to vote, and those who do often do so on basic prejudices, media manipulation, or family tradiotion. They reject the two corporate parties, the reject the trail of dirty money that feeds these beasts, they reject the billionaires, the gangsters, who have taken over their country. It is time for all American people who love peace, justice, freedom, enterprise, freedom from exploitation, freedom from the police state, the nanny state, the jack boot, the spook in the dark suit from the Anti-American Activities board... it is time to not just reject these ideals which sicken the stomach of the working class, but to constructively begin to rebuild a new America, an America that excludes the likes of Enron, Haliburton, Bush, Cheney, Clinton and Kerry and the rest of the swine who tussle to dip their snouts in the trough.
Ill agree with most of this. Most people don't trust washington. I will say rejecting the billionares is a bad idea. Trickle down economics work. The billionares provide the people with jobs. I reject criminals who would prey upon others. Rich people are no exception. I do reject the notion that somehow the common man or working class man who turns to crime is somehow more noble than the white collar wealthy criminal. As if he only turned to crime because of the "sorry lot" that was handed to him in life. Criminals are criminals no matter what their income, and they should all be punished according to their cime. Thats kind of off topic, but I just feel there is an anti-wealth character to your post, as if all the wealthy are somehow oppressors of lower income people.

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Maybe it will not happen tomorrow, but soon, a fight is coming, between the working people of America and the forces of the state and capital, and already the tools of domination and terror melt from the hands of the state, already the people go stronger and more confident... within ten years , twenty certainly, the capitalist state of America shall fall and replaced by the people's republic of America. This is not hyperbole, this is not me trying to goad people or start a debate, this is WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN... the American people can no longer tolerate a leadership, capital and the state, whose actions are so alien to the American way of life, to human deceny, to the interests of all working class people.
Well, I think your getting a bit overdramatic. I am deffinatley in the catagory of working class. Its not the government or corperations that are to blame for my social status. In fact I would consider my status to be very transient. You seem to assume that the mindset of most people in this country is that of oppression. Even with the problems in this country and the gvmnt corruption etc, there is hardly a feeling of oppression in America (in most places). Most people have a great amount of freedom to go about there lives and pursue what they wish to pursue.

I have to run to school now or I would rant on a bit more
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