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Originally posted by Thagrastay
Please bear in mind that I have not told anyone that they are going to hell.
The question was whether Jesus is the only way into Heaven.
According to the Bible, which Rekna says is not reliable amd shouldn't be trusted, the answer is Yes.
But further caveats I have heard in this thread are that God can always change His mind, and so, Jesus, having gone through that whole terrible scouring, beating and crucifixion and having bothered to resurrect Himself, did this conceivably for nothing, since:
A. There are other ways into Heaven
B. There are other ways into Heaven
C. There are other ways into Heaven
We could find the real reason accept the Bible may have either been changed or can't be believed, or people who quote it are harsh and rigid and unloving and not tolerant. But who knows. We could just ask God, but He is also capable of capriciously changing His mind, too.
Not a whole lot of hope, there.
And then there's that paul and the women thing.
That's enough to piss any feminist off for sure and cast doubt on the whole Bible!
I'll tell you Rekna, whatever you do, don't read Peter! Or Ephesians! or Corinthians!
And good luck to any of you who want to be called Christians but deny waht Jesus actually taught. Because as uncomforatble, or as politically incorrect as it may be, all of christianity comes from that book you guys seem to mistrust so much that a whole bunch of people have been trying for two thousand years to discredit and have yet to do.
If you want to learn more about it, but I doubt you do- you seem to comfortable in your disenfranchisement- read "Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh MacDowell". But be careful- it may change your worldview!
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You completely missed my point about the potential for mistakes in the bible. My point was not to distrust the entire bible, but instead to look at the big picture and not individual versus. I feel sorry for you if you feel the bible is inerrant. It wasn't very long ago the Columbus was ridiculed and called unchristain for proposing the world was round, even more recent was when someone (I don't remember who) proposed the world was not the center of the Universe. As people progress through the ages we are learning more and more. If tomorrow people were to prove that evolution occured or that their was life on another planet what would happen? The same thing that has happend every time in the past. The bible gets reinterpreted, because it was interpreted incorrectly originally. Mankind is not infallable, they make mistakes. Mankind cannot know everything so we have to settle for knowing we can't know everything. But it isn't about knowing things, it is about having faith that you don't need to know, instead you need only to love.
God doesn't need to come down and knock on my door to tell me he exists. I don't need some sort of miricle. I see Gods work every day. I have faith in him and I know that whatever we find out about our past, present, and future will not alter my beliefs in God because through God NOTHING is impossible. He does not need to explain his plan to me for I only need to know I love him.
If you think that this is blasfamous then I'm sorry. My belifes come from what I have observed in the world, through the bible, through the teachings of many different churches, and through my heart.
Jesus taught love and compassion for everyone, not just those that followed him. Even while he died on the cross he prayed for the FORGIVENESS of his ENEMIES. Jesus died for the forgiveness of ALL sin. So that ALL sin COULD be forgiven (which is differen't then will be).
I love Jesus and I pray to him daily for all he has done for me and the whole world. I thank him for the tollerance that he has taught, something I wish you would learn. Jesus was not an elitest and you shouldn't be either.