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The_Dunedan · 03-13-2004, 11:19 AM

Strange Famous,
The empiracal data coming out of your own country, Australia, and South Africa right now disproves such statements. As Lebell pointed out above, the ownership of handguns is illegal in Britain, and yet according to your own Home Office, your violent-crime rate has been increasing by 12-15% for five years now, and is set to eclipse that of the US within the next 18 months. Your rates for Armed Robbery and Home Invasion already exceed those of the US by a considerable margin, according to the same report.
In Australia, the numbers are reversed but the situation is the same. The V-Crime rate will catch up to the US in a little over two years, according to the latest UN figures, and the rate of Armed Robbery is already equal to that of the US, although due to Australia's more rural population, home-invasions are somewhat more rare; this according to the Australian Home Office and the UN's Global Report on Small Arms and Global Report on Crime ( I believe those were the titles, but I'll check ).
South Africa, meanwhile, is a nightmare. Posession of unlicensed firearms will get you 12 years, a law which is enthusiastically enforced by the Marxist govornment in power there, and yet S. Africa has the 3rd to 5th highest rate of violent crime in the world; the US doesn't even make the Top Twenty.
Study of empirical evidence from around the world puts the lie to these anti-defense prattlings; the more strict a country's weapons-control policies are, the higher it's rates of both violent and organized crime. Look at Russia, where the ownership of anything magazine-fed is illegal; look at Brazil, a nation with an almost total prohibition on gun ownership; Number 6 in the world for violent crime, with Rio De Janero ( sp? ) being the 3rd most violent city on the planet. I can go on and on about this.

Denying evidence does not make it go away. The UN, CDC, Amnesty International, and American BAR Association have all weighed in on this one, and despite the blatant and offensive anti-self-defense bias of all these organizations, all have come to the same conclusion; that Gun Control ( more correctly called Victim Disarmament ) is a counterproductive pipe-dream at best, and Murder By Govornment at worst.
This arguement is put forth very nicely in Aaron Zellman's book "Murder By Gun Control," available through the Jew For The Protection of Firearms Ownership website; www.jpfo.org.

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The_Dunedan Junkie	Strange Famous, The empiracal data coming out of your own country, Australia, and South Africa right now disproves such statements. As Lebell pointed out above, the ownership of handguns is illegal in Britain, and yet according to your own Home Office, your violent-crime rate has been increasing by 12-15% for five years now, and is set to eclipse that of the US within the next 18 months. Your rates for Armed Robbery and Home Invasion already exceed those of the US by a considerable margin, according to the same report. In Australia, the numbers are reversed but the situation is the same. The V-Crime rate will catch up to the US in a little over two years, according to the latest UN figures, and the rate of Armed Robbery is already equal to that of the US, although due to Australia's more rural population, home-invasions are somewhat more rare; this according to the Australian Home Office and the UN's Global Report on Small Arms and Global Report on Crime ( I believe those were the titles, but I'll check ). South Africa, meanwhile, is a nightmare. Posession of unlicensed firearms will get you 12 years, a law which is enthusiastically enforced by the Marxist govornment in power there, and yet S. Africa has the 3rd to 5th highest rate of violent crime in the world; the US doesn't even make the Top Twenty. Study of empirical evidence from around the world puts the lie to these anti-defense prattlings; the more strict a country's weapons-control policies are, the higher it's rates of both violent and organized crime. Look at Russia, where the ownership of anything magazine-fed is illegal; look at Brazil, a nation with an almost total prohibition on gun ownership; Number 6 in the world for violent crime, with Rio De Janero ( sp? ) being the 3rd most violent city on the planet. I can go on and on about this. Denying evidence does not make it go away. The UN, CDC, Amnesty International, and American BAR Association have all weighed in on this one, and despite the blatant and offensive anti-self-defense bias of all these organizations, all have come to the same conclusion; that Gun Control ( more correctly called Victim Disarmament ) is a counterproductive pipe-dream at best, and Murder By Govornment at worst. This arguement is put forth very nicely in Aaron Zellman's book "Murder By Gun Control," available through the Jew For The Protection of Firearms Ownership website; www.jpfo.org. __________________ "I personally think that America's interests would be well served if after or at the time these clowns begin their revolting little hate crime the local police come in and cart them off on some trumped up charges or other. It is necessary in my opinion that America makes an example of them to the world." --Strange Famous, advocating the use of falsified charges in order to shut people up.