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Old 03-10-2004, 08:23 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Originally posted by Pacifier
I agree with most of what you have written, but this statement above sound like Hitler never really hated the Jews, it sound a bit like they just were "useful"
No, not at all. I've read Mein Kampf too, and there's no doubt that Hitler really did hate the Jews. However, he wasn't (until the end anyway) stupid about his hatred. He didn't come out on his first day as Chancellor and tell everyone that he wanted to throw every Jew he could find into the gas chamber. He slowly built the German citizens up to his level of hatred. My point there was that people tend to think of Hitler as a psycho who stole control of Germany and became a horrible tyrant. I'm more interested in looking at the German people and how they allowed him to gain control.

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But the fact is there are Terrorists out there. Fact is that their actions (remember the terrorists, that do exist) have shaped our policy. Fact is they are still a threat, unlike the Jews who never were, and hey historically the commie's were threats, I don't know so much domestically.
The communists were not a domestic threat first off. The threat was from the commie-haters who wanted to persecute anyone they thought might have anything to do with the communists.

As for the terrorists, I never said they don't exist. I said the government doesn't want that threat to go away. 9/11 was wholly preventable with some common sense airline security measures. Really, who's brilliant idea was it to allow knives of ANY length on airplanes? Furthermore, if we are saying the terrorists are a threat, why are people STILL getting weapons onto airplanes? If they're a threat, surely the logical course of acting is to eradicate the threat.

That means staying in Afghanistan and finding bin Laden rather than going after Saddam, who had NOTHING to do with 9/11 and who has become a living martyr for all the radical factions in that part of the world who are just looking for excuses to hate us. The government has made our situation more perilous, not less. Why? Because if we're out of danger we start looking at the royal mess Bush has made of the economy and vote him out of office. This is his only chance to stay in the whtie house - if he has a terrorist threat that he has to "lead" us through. My point in all this is not that Bush = Hitler, but that many of the American people are blindly following their leader even when signs indicate that it's not such a good idea, and there's a definite possibility for comparison between the Americans and the Germans who blindly followed Hitler.

The lesson we should have learned from the Nazis is that blindly following the government can lead to very bad things. Unfortunately, we haven't learned it, so history will at some point repeat itself.

And by the way, McCarthy was NOT right more often than he was wrong. Murrow would not have come out against him if that were the case.
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