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Old 03-08-2004, 01:11 PM   #218 (permalink)
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Originally posted by Astrocloud
Sorry to quibble about semantics but when reading your response my will was to read your words instantly. Unfortunately I just don't read that fast. Just because I want something and don't get it doesn't mean that my will has been subjugated.



I remain a skeptic to this belief. Manipulation does not mean subjugation.


Perhaps, but this brings me to my other point on the spirit of this thread:

It is condescending and insulting to tell people that the reason that they believe something or another is because they are brainwashed. It's too convenient to write off someone's opinion as being unduly influenced by some exterior physical factor (i.e. "mind control") rather than address their ideas as people capable of making their own choices.

More than once I was told that I was brainwashed by people of varying political persuasions. The source of the brainwashing is almost always "the media". It's a cop out because it doesn't address my opinion but rather undermines it; as an ad hominem fallacy. And believe me, it's not like I was having a discussion on which is better -coke or pepsi. These were real issues like wars and rumours of wars.

So to condemn the whole of society as Mind Controlled seems not only far fetched -but kinda insulting.

Ah fuck em, they're brainwashed -j/k j/k
Again, overcompassing mind control. Subjugated perhaps not to the degree you have cited, but still, again, to evoke a response, by crafting things carefully, the entertainment industry has been able to control such things. Watch a sappy movie, you know it's pulling at your heart strings, and maybe a tear washes over your eyes. Subjugated? Perhaps for a few moments. Truly, when looking at anything today, it's all about the ability to engage someone at some level, be it spiritual, emotional, or physical.

While you said you wanted to ingest it instantly, your eyes did, but your mind could not however process it into something coherent. But taking the limitations of physical beings, most people cannot invoke that will. That circular logic you spoke about in a pervious entry casts a similar shadow here.
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