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CSFlim, yes, I suppose we have a tendancy to call it praying in both circumstances, but as Lebell pointed out they are not considered to have any power at all. The common understanding of the word pray implies that the person is considered to hold power, so I didn't go into the fact that the word may be used by Catholics in both circumstances to avoid confusion.
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