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Old 12-02-2003, 12:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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When I grew up....

I grew up in Canada, and when I was a kid we had something called cadets. I was an Army cadet, infantry, and our cadet corp had to Reg forces group to call daddy. I was in the 526 Winnipeg Grennadiers - basicly a parade corp. Red berets and all.

Anyway, when I was a kid I did drill, went on excesizes with the reserves and got to use 7.62 and 5.61 mm rifles on the range. We went to camps where we ran 2 mles in the morning before breakfats and we had it hard.

Now a days, kids in Cadets, have to be treated nice, and no laps, and they can only shoot .22 calibers now. Between X-box, and the latest fast food, kids are turning into useless blobs!!
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Old 12-02-2003, 09:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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They don't make kids like they use to
More and more kids are turning into pasty couch potatoes

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Old 12-02-2003, 01:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Kids today have no respect for other people either they all need in my opinion a kick in the arse.
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Old 12-02-2003, 01:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Well, in the good ole BSA (Boy Scouts of America), scouts are only allowed to shoot .22 cal rifles. The reason: they are only allowed to shoot rimfire cartridges. Now they can shoo 12 ga shotgun and 50 cal black powder all day long. Also, they can not shoot pisotols on scout property.
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Old 12-02-2003, 03:09 PM   #5 (permalink)
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They don't make kids like they use to
More and more kids are turning into pasty couch potatoes

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i no what yall mean. when i went to school it was gettin in the woods by 4 so you could hunt till 7:30 then go onto school. heck there was several days i had my deer rifle or muzzleloader behind my truck seat and all the teachers knew it. noone really cared cause they knew you wasnt going on a shooting spry. things have really changed alot since i was in high school just a few years ago.
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Old 12-02-2003, 10:22 PM   #6 (permalink)
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so was I- and while I do not personaly hunt, many friends do, and I feel that there is a serious loss of usefull wilderness skills in todays youth- hell, I have to camp out for my job, albiet at very soft camp sites, but many cannot handle even that- I belive that every generation is required to bitch about "kids these days", but come on- look at how much obesity has grown in american kids....
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Old 12-03-2003, 03:32 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I'll have to admit, my personal obesity has grown in the past 6 months, but I attribute that to studdying 12 hours a day for organic chem and molecular bio.

As far as the scouts and stuff goes, I'll have to agree with you guys, I was in the BSA for years and I have seen a general decline in outdoorsmanship in the past 10 years. I'll never forget the day a troop leader asked us what we were doing chopping wood when he had bought us some nice, precut, dry wood...
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Old 12-03-2003, 03:51 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Well, in the good ole BSA (Boy Scouts of America), scouts are only allowed to shoot .22 cal rifles. The reason: they are only allowed to shoot rimfire cartridges. Now they can shoo 12 ga shotgun and 50 cal black powder all day long. Also, they can not shoot pisotols on scout property.
Plus, some Troops don't allow sheath knives, or large folding knives. That is truly sad.
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Old 12-03-2003, 03:52 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I'll have to admit, my personal obesity has grown in the past 6 months, but I attribute that to studdying 12 hours a day for organic chem and molecular bio.

As far as the scouts and stuff goes, I'll have to agree with you guys, I was in the BSA for years and I have seen a general decline in outdoorsmanship in the past 10 years. I'll never forget the day a troop leader asked us what we were doing chopping wood when he had bought us some nice, precut, dry wood...
That is a shame.

One thing I do know is that my Troop didn't do things like that. I'm an Eagle Scout now, but I worked hard for it!
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Old 12-04-2003, 08:52 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I was a Scout for many years. Some of the best times of my life were had wearing a BSA uniform. I had the advantage of being in military run troops my whole time. Living on military bases, the only folks that you have for Troopmasters are soldiers. This means we learned Real World outdoors lessons. When we shot, we shot real guns at real ranges. Our knives were whatever we wanted to carry (within reason) and they'd best be damned sharp. They would also yank you Totin' Chip in a heartbeat if you screwed around with your knife.

I also had the great fortune of being able to spend most of my summers on my Grandparents' farm in North Carolina. The BSA outdoors skills were useful there, but I had a lot more freedom and personal responsibility. My mother is fond of telling the story of how I dressed myself one morning, packed my own lunch, strapped on a .22 revolver "for snakes, momma", and had my Grandfather help me saddle up a horse for "a day's hard ride". That horse (a shaggy mountain pony) and I stayed out for about 6 hours, and my mother never worried. She knew that I could take care of myself and that horse would never let me get lost. I was six years old.

The biggest difference is trust. My parents trusted me, and trusted the folks living near my Grandparents. You could trust people more back then. They knew that if I got lost (honestly impossible as the pony HATED to go too far off my Granddad's land), I would find someone and they could be trusted to bring me home. They also trusted that I was a good enough shot at six years old to pop a rattlesnake if I had to (and I was). No other animals were dangerous enough to go for me on the horse, and I was too short to get off the horse (I'd told my Mom that I was going to eat lunch in the saddle, like all real cowboys do). On retrospect, I think that, while they trusted me, they REALLY trusted the horse. Heh.

I could grab a rifle, some ammo, and a coupla tin cans, and wander off for an afternoon of shooting with no real supervision. Again, they trusted me. They knew that I wasn't going to shoot a thing that was unsafe, or use the gun for mischief. I'd been taught from as early as I could even sit still and listen that guns were NOT TOYS. I never touched a gun without my parents' knowledge, and they knew it. It's another reason they trusted me.

For some reason, trust is gone today. No one trusts their neighbours with their kids. No one trusts their kids to stay out of trouble. No one trusts the stranger walking down the street. The world has turned from a great, big, wonderful place bursting with oppurtunity into a dismal jungle of fear where every person you see is a potential child molester, rapist, or Enron exec.

Why is that? I don't know, don't think anybody really knows, though I can point some fingers and make some guesses. They'd not be popular guesses though, nor is there any easy way to fix them. I think the root cause is a sea change in psychology and socialization caused by our technological evolution moving too quickly for our moral and social evolutionary processes to keep up.

Kids have access to far more information than we could've imagined as youngsters ourselves. I can remember getting an underground copy of "The Anarchist's Cookbook" as a Middle Schooler. As I was an avid player of RPG's (an original form of alternative counterculture education in many cases), a fair portion of it was old hat, but it was still educating in a lot of ways. I was also the rare exception in being able to get that book, and a lot of my peers REALLY wanted to see it. Heck, for a while, it was more popular than another friend's dog-eared Penthouse stolen from his Dad's collection. Nowadays, "The Anarchist's Cookbook" is positively tame. Lame, even. Todays kids can find out more actively dangerous info with a click of a mouse button and a few seconds' wait then I could've come up with in my entire young life. Do I consider the intenet at fault for the downspiral of morality? Not really. It's part of it, but I only mention the Net as example of how different things are today.

The worst part of the whole thing is that I am a parent. It bothers me badly that my daughter and son are not going to have the same oppurtunities that I did. They'll never get to spend an afternoon on horseback exploring honest wilderness in the Appalachian Mountains. They'll never get to build a thoroughly unsafe go-cart and go screaming around miles of ownerless hills. They'll never be able to go hiking while safely armed. They'll not be able to be kids in the same way I was able to. It saddens me.

I want my little guy to be able to wander out in the woods for hours at a time, wholly secure in the knowledge that the most dangerous thing he's likely to see is a rattlesnake. I want to teach my daughter to drive at 11 like my Dad did with me. It won't happen though. The world of my youth is dead and gone, and only the memories I have and the stories I can tell them remains.

I hate to be melancholy and melodramatic, but I weep for the future, and the childhood that kids today will never enjoy.
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Old 12-04-2003, 09:46 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I partially agree with you about kids, but I dont think you should generalize and say every kid is a pasty white couch potato and should have his\her arse kicked.
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Old 12-04-2003, 11:05 PM   #12 (permalink)
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dont forget how dangerous all the big metal playground equipment used to be!!!

now everything is plastic and safe so that when kids fall down the only get a small scratch. yet they still whine!!!!
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Old 12-05-2003, 07:07 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I remember that when I was in boy scouts we never had guns at all. You even needed a permit to start a fire or carry a knife. I remember seeing a picture of a kid putting his hunting rifle into his locker at school. Those were the old days...
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Old 12-06-2003, 03:13 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I hate to be melancholy and melodramatic, but I weep for the future, and the childhood that kids today will never enjoy.
Excellent post. I agree completely.
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Old 12-16-2003, 09:10 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I hate to be melancholy and melodramatic, but I weep for the future, and the childhood that kids today will never enjoy.
Very well written. I applaud you.
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Old 12-17-2003, 09:22 AM   #16 (permalink)
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