Weapons in the Movies
 

I found myself being annoyed by the way guns are handled in movies and TV shows.
I'm not talking about The Matrix kind of action where it's obvious that you're watching a comic book.
But war, cop and other movies where the people are supposed to be pros and do stupid things.
For that matter there have been scenes that were made more intense because people were using the weapons the way they should be with all the side effects included.
I really liked Le Femme Nikita until an episode where they were in the middle of a shoot out and turned their Glocks sideways like some street punk.
Maybe it looks cool but it's stupid.
Saving Private Ryan did a good job when weapons were used.

Any movies that pissed you off?
Or that impressed you a lot?

If you watch at the end of Braveheart when the Scott's are running toward the screen in the last shot, you can see all the rubber blades wobbling as they run, that one pissed me off.

I liked the one where he pointed the gun at the other guy and shot him... It's all good!

I have a thing for hong kong style action flicks, not because it's realistic... but because the lead flies...

I dunno I don't mind so much however when they are so obviously done wrong, it sucks. Like take for instance when the prominent female actor in the movie is supposed to be a badass, but she looks like a belimic model that couldn't lift a candy bar to save her life. Like in the first Mortal Kombat movie, Sonya was supposed to be a tough-as-nails, military trained, special ops badass, but she looked more suited for a Calvin Klein ad. But then you look at say Linda Hamilton from T2 and just looking at her you can tell she's quite capable of shoving her fist down your throat and breaking your spine. (Obscure Arnold Schwarzenegger quote)

One thing that irks me, is when I see a person in a movie using a Colt 1911, and the hammer is not even cocked! Then of course the person holding it shoots it! Colt 1911's have to have their hammers cocked to be fired. Or like in movies with M-16's. You will see them firing over and over. But when they show a close up, the dust cover is closed! What the hell!

band of brothers really impressed me, right down to the clip ejecting

It would be nice to see a bad guy use anything other than a desert eagle.

Well...
 

You get to see Morpheus with the GL-18 (I believe) the really neato full auto-glock.
hmm.. villians... Well in the hong kong action flick "The returners" the villian favors a VERY large revolver. The villian in phone booth uses a dragunov although you don't get to see it till the end. The rifle he claims to use is not the one in the apartment (which looked like a dragunov)... damn I love keifer sutherlands voice... Alot of villians don't use the DE. Think of the movie Snatch or Lock stock and two smoking barrels. Nice variety of ghetto english weaponry. Or desperado, I wonder does the DE even show up in that movie? What about desperados precursor El Mariache? What about The Usual Suspects? The 5th element... The rock... Reservoir Dogs (wussy guns IMO)

I got this lift from flipping through my collection just now...

Speaking of weapons in movies.
What do real military vets have to say about the movie Black Hawk down?

I always thought it was kinda funny in movies where someone is shooting a handgun... runs out of ammo and the slide locks back, yet they keep on firing. They graphically put in muzzle blast to try and cover it up.

As for people turning their gun sideways (original post), there is acutally a reason for this. It originated from car jackers. People who cracked their windows didnt have enough room to put the gun in the cab. If you turn the gun sideways the gun will actually fit in that little space. Heard this from a friend of mine who used to be a car thief. I thought that was kinda interesting.

That's why I like TFP, I learn something new every time I'm here.
If a carjacker does it in a movie, I'll be cool with it.
If someone who is supposed to be a trained assassin does it I'm going to change channels.

I guess they never thought of just shooting through the glass?

The bottomless clips, UZI's that can fire upwards of 30,000 rounds and maintain a cool barrel without reloading, two pistols that fire off 5 or 6 dozen shots, only to run out simultaneously when the good guy and bad guy are face-to-face.

My favorite is the "3 shots fired, 5 enemies dead" number, but you only see that in westerns and 80's movies.

I always like how ammo never seems to run out in movies. I was amazed to see how in a Steven Seagal movie two pistols somehow turned into automatic machine guns.

I scrutinize cop shows like you wouldn't believe...I love how people always run around with their fingers directly on the trigger. You can always tell which movies had technical specialists working on the set...if you see an actor with his finger on the slide, off the trigger, then you know they were shown the correct way...

My other favorite is when you see someone reload, then rack the slide. If the slide locks open when you're empty, all you have to do is load a new magazine, and release the slide. No need to rack it again...that'll just waste a round.

Dog Soldiers handles weapons fairly realisticly.

Saving Private Ryan and Heat were my two favorite movies for firearm accuracy.

Strangely enough, I DO get very irritated with the Matrix for poor FX even though it is one of my all time favorite SF movies. I especially hate the begining where the cops bust in on Trinity and you hear this massive bunch of guns being cocked, even though a cop would already have his gun cocked and ready to fire in that situation (I guess the foley artists have to stay employed). I also hate seeing Neo using mini-uzi's in the lobby but then cut to the floor where there is .223 brass falling.

Other annoying Hollywood exploits:

-bad guys that fall down and die with one shot
-people being blown backwards several feet from gun and rifle shots
-bottomless magazines


I'm sure I'll think of some more...

I was endlessly irritated by that fact. It was so obvious that it was 5.56mm casings (i'm metric.... as you can see..... GET WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD!!!..... sorry... end of rant. if you've ever needed to convert from lb.ft... you'll get my pain.. ) when he was shooting ?9mm?? weapons, or handguns and submachineguns...

How about the people that hide behind empty barrels. If you've used empty barrels for target practice........ I know i wouldn't hide behind one.....

i've seen the dust cover one a few times.

MUZZLE FLASH!!! real guns don't have that huge muzzle flash. thats what flash suppressors are for. Perhaps at night. but even then, its not that huge 5-pronged thing you tend to see...

If you quibble on the matrix for realism
 

In certain effects your missing the point. I noticed the rifle vs SMG casing thing in the lobby shootout also. That's just sloppy, but big booms, flying bodies, and invincible heroes are what make movies fun. If we saw what it was really like it would look quite boring and uneventful with a body falling thump on the floor after being hit by a silenced shot...

And you should notice that *sometimes* the matrix movie is shot with realistic ammo restrictions. You can count in some scenes, the real question is where trinity keeps her ammo and other toys that tight suit.
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If you remember the Star Trek: The Next Generation movies, one of them has Data holding a phaser and he says, "Lock and Load", then you hear the sound of a bolt action lock and load.

I think they were actually Scorpions, but it annoys they hell out me as well...

The trailer for the new Lara Croft movie has her holding two Semi-Auto Pistols....and dropping both empty mags at the same time....how the hell is she going to reload when each hand is at eye level, and they both have a weapon in them.

I wouldn't want to be caught with two hands full of empty pistola.

Hollywood? Whatcha gonna do? She does have other "weapons" in her arsenal though...36C's I think they are :)

I won't go see the movie for defensive pistol marksmanship tips that's for sure.

-b-

One thing that I really hate happens all the time on Cops. The cop catches a bad guy and finds a gun on him. THen the cop takes the bullets out of the gun, walks over to the camera and says something to the effect of "These are hollow point bullets, designed to cut through our bullet proof vests."

Because she's got these nifty gadgets that extend a new mag at just the right position and angle that she can just push the gun over the mag. Who knows how they're triggered, etc. etc.

Yep, what mtsgsd said.
There is a shot of it in the first movie, don't know if they show it in the second. Haven't seen it.

Why does the cop do that? Doesn't he know better?

People not only firing heavy machine guns from the hip, but firing ACCURATELY, ala Sly with his M60 in Rambo II.

Nicholas Cage in Windtalkers. Taking on endless hoardes of japanese soldiers, whether it be running through a field with a thompson in one hand, taking out snipers at range, or his trusty colt, taking out entire squads of badguys, nary a miss.

the finale where he and his charge have an artillery round land at their feet, yet they stand up and walk away..

a bazooka round fired into a hillside, effectively taking out the ENTIRE hillside..

theres just so much wrong with that movie its hard to contemplate. absolutely one of the most annoying films ive had to sit through, from a gunsmanship point of view.

I agree with all of you on this topic but it makes money having those cheap things imported into the movie and thats all they care about. And I also bet they don't expect such gun enthusiast to be watching the movie so closely.

Just thought of another one:

Lethel Weapon 4 - The good guy has been fireing his glock. The bad guy reaches over and removes the slide.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but all the glocks I've seen, in order to do this, you must drop the mag first.

The hollow point one reminded me of this. Cop shows and media in general - the insinuation that Teflon-coated 'cop killer' bulets somehow magically slide through body armor.

Three words - "Nuclear Hand Grenades"

In Blackhawk Down when the Delta force dude throws a genade 50 yards through a window. Yeah right. If he could throw like that he would be in the majors.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'm just running on memory here, but I thought that he was carrying a Beretta (possibly a 92F, that's what we carry on duty). With a Beretta, field stripping is actually pretty simple, a button, a lever, and pull it off...not that I think it could be done as easily as depicted, but it's not that difficult...

I think in Snatch the big guy w/ the DE fired about 10 rounds w/o reloading when they were in the bar with the russian guy. In my counter-striking experience DE's only have 7 rounds, but meh i could be wrong. Best part ever tho, "Your gun says "replica". mine says Desert Eagle point-five-oh. So piss off." :p

I'd have to look up mag capacity, but I'm betting the DE you're talking about is chambered for either .44 mag or .357 mag (the other two calibers a Desert Eagle comes in.)

the carjacker style of pistol shooting is... well... bad if you're using anything larger than 9mm. you will simply break your wrist or smack yourself silly. it's sheer skeleton-work, and the way you tense when you fire. Even a spec-ops or a bodybuilder would be silly to fire large-caliber pistols sideways. Not to mention that your sighting would be WAY off.

Ive seen the "hiding behind empty barrels" and bottomless magazine things too many times before. I also dont like the movies where a bad guy puts on a "silencer" and suddenly it sounds like absolutly nothing, especially on the higher caliber stuff. Lets get some advisors on the sets about this stuff! I don't know about the real professionals, but my buddy gets real mad at me if I call a suppressor, a silencer.

As for tilting weapons when you fire (gansta style), when fireing offhand, Massad Ayoob recommends tilting the weapon at a 45 degree angle to strengthen your grip (sort of "half gangsta").

Regarding silencer/suppressors: There is only one truely silent firearm in the world, that is the DeLisle silenced carbine. It is modified Enfield Mk.4 in .45 caliber that apparently cannot be heard even by the firer when it is shot. Pretty spiffy...

It may be, but can you field strip it without removing the clip first?

Yes, on a Beretta, the slide can be removed without dropping the magazine as long as the safety is off. I would NOT attempt this though...taking off the safety and attempting to remove the slide on a loaded gun is not a safe practice. (Recap: Possible, not advisable)

My favorite is Ahnold in Comando- the part when he's running behind the bullet-proof shrubs and killing 5 bad guys per round fired off the hip. You ever notice how the good guy never gets to shoot the bad guy? He's always got to die ninja style.

Band-o-brothas was great as far as firearm accuracy goes...

One of the best movie gaff catches I ever made was in the movie "Boys from Company C"( one of the best war movies ever) They where using a mock M-16,which is to say they were a.22 caliber rimfire knock off of the original rifle.It was a pretty good likeness of the M-16 except that the magazine was part of the rifle, you couldnt extract it. It was solid piece of metal that you stuck a small .22 magazine into.( and no it wasn't a conversion kit) The only way to tell was if the actor had held the rifle up to the camera so that you could see the bottom of the mag.

When I was a second AD assitant on the Fourth War, They had a US weapons wrangler that put the extras through basic training with the prop guns. It was very intensive.It was quite funny to see these guys show up thinking they were going to make some easy bucks and then have to get not only a brutally short haircut, but endure 2 weeks of boot camp prior to filming.

I really dug "Tombstone". No comment on the number of shots or gunhandling, but more because it is a Western wherein everyone is NOT using a Peacemaker. I S&W Schofields, Stars, Schubert & Erwin (sp?), and a cooupla others, not to mention some very rare and proper shotguns. The three-triggered side-by-side that Kurt Russel uses for the scene where he walks across the stream firing is an extremely rare gun.

My favorite gun porn movie is by fay "The Way of The Gun". Lots of great shootouts, tactical handgunning, and THEY RELOAD! Yes, a movie where they can only muster 7 shots out of a .45 milspec with a standard mag. Plus, they know when to keep a finger on the trigger and when not to. Anyway, it's a great movie, full of fun shootouts and I definately recommend it to any gun nut.

I couldn't agree more. That movie was ridiculous. Nicky's machine gun runs out of bullets and he pulls out the colt, standing up out in the open he drops 10 bad guys with machine guns with 10 shots from his .45 as they all run blindly at him without even firing a shot.

Still a classic

Dirty Harry

Well SPR and Band of Brothers were all fairly accurate because they hired a lot of experts on the weapons - also because a lot of actual vets were involved.

not to mention that there are many replicas (and the actual weaposn themselves) floating around of the Mauser, Garand, BAR, and what not.

hell IIRC they even used the original guns but used blanks - so the guns were very much real though the effects of recoil and what not would of course, be different.

but yeah those movies had damn good accuracy

I never really let stuff bother me,other than watching SWAT today..

First 5 minutes had 2 terrorists outside a store firing 2 AK-47's at police officers.Well,a minute later one of the T's tries to leave the scene via a car.SWAT leader says "Don't let him get away" and a sniper perched on a rooftop shoots the guy in the neck through the windshield.


Now..why in the world didn't the sniper take them out before letting at least 3 cops/civilians be shot.

Later,Samuel L Jackson states that "SWAT is about saving lives,not taking them"

wtf?

My favorite weapon scene was in Monty Python and the holy grail when Sir Lancelot charges through swamp castle killing almost everyone.... and when he beats on the side of the french castle with his sword.
heh, and since most everyone is talking about guns... the catapult and the wooden rabbit was pretty good ;)

Its actually a Beretta 92F, so the trick is technically possible. The slide release mechanisim on the Beretta is on the left side of the slide, and can be released with a quick flick of the fingers, if you are holding the top of the slide. One quick pull and the hole slide assembly comes off in your had. Just don't screw up! :0

Veritas en Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

omfg that monty python scene is the ownage. period.

now i read aout half the posts and alot of people say the saving private you know had realistic weapon situation, OMG you guys are blind. but then again i didnt expect you to not be.

there are so many things that are obvious, boddies disapear, grenades are useless and stuff like that, i dont care if your a seal, people dont just pick up grenades and throw them back out a window casually, thats just dumb. at least they could do it quickly instead of taking their sweet time. also in the scene where the coward pulls a rifle on about 10 germans and forces them to surrender....... you have to be shitting me, there is a reason assualting someone with a thompson SMG is a federal offense. and about 3 of the german soldiers had MP40 's (basically just as good as thompson if not better) realistically they wouldnt have just turned, looked and shot him. and when the fat guy captain runs out of ammo, throws his helmet at a german soldier and then shoot him with his pistol, if you pay attension you can clearly see that the german soldier just stands there with a pistol in his hand and lets himself get killed

dont beleive me, rent the dvd... look, and be amazed at how blind you really are

jadedgrin;
I've spoken to several WW2 vets, and they all say that SPR is the most realistic portrayal of the realities of war that they've ever seen. The biggest reason for this, according to them, is that it portrays the whole range of human reactions under combat. Several of them especially commented on the reactions of Cpl. Oppum; an undertrained intellectual who was totally unsuited for combat and was never prepared to see action, thrust into the middle of that situation.
You also seem to have the "10 germans" confused with Waffen SS. A WSS soldier would probably have reacted as you describe, but most of the Infantry in Normandy were non-German conscripts and POW's; Poles, Russians, French, there were even 6 Koreans captured on Omaha. They had no desire to fight for the Nazi regime; one group of Poles on Omaha Dog Green even mutinied and shot their Waffen SS Seargent, and then promptly surrendered. The behaviour of the soldiers Oppum rounds up is, in my opinion and that of men who were there, entirely realistic.

don't EVEN bring up Saving Private Ryan, don't get me wrong, it's my favourite movie... but... i can't even count the mistakes on my fingers and toes.

" dont care if your a seal, people dont just pick up grenades and throw them back out a window casually, thats just dumb"

wrong. there are MANY accounts of it happening. German grenades- "potato mashers" were infamous for well.. sucking.

"if you pay attension you can clearly see that the german soldier just stands there with a pistol in his hand and lets himself get killed"

no, he is pulling out his pistol, or getting it loaded or it's jammed or something. he IS doing something.

"A WSS soldier would probably have reacted as you describe, but most of the Infantry in Normandy were non-German conscripts and POW's; Poles, Russians, French, there were even 6 Koreans captured on Omaha"

green units wouldn't be fighting side by side with a Tiger and a Marders to take an "extremely important bridge."


Hmm, i'll also bring up the fact that the Captain was carrying a thompson, and the sarge had the Carbine. it should be vice-versa.

There was a problem with jackson's windage corrections, but i don't recall what it was.

That 20mm flak is a false gun. it's based on several real guns, but that thing isn't a real model.

The Tiger was a poor mock-up of a tiger.

infact, the tiger itself was just a problem. it seems like they just let Hans Nobody lead that battlegroup. Strategy way wrong.

P51s on an incorrect strafing pattern, they would strafe horizontally. they came from behind the friendly units. not a good idea. as well, no bomb racks.

I believe jackson fires a few too many rounds when taking out the sniper in the bell tower.

Mg34s labeled as MG42s. one is heard, but never seen.

The sticky bomb disaster.... dude, that shit is HIGH powered explosive. when that unfortunate fella held onto for too long, there was a little puff of smoke and some chunks. that part really bothered be because it appeared to be gore for gore's sake. if it's gonna be gory, at least do it right.

i can keep going....

If you look closely at many of the Breavheart battle scenes you see that when Mel Gibson (William Wallace) is running, the amount of times the weapon changes in his hand from an axe to a sword to nuthing to anaxe etc... it had me in stitches laughing!

If you insist on calling the very knowlegable members of this board "blind", you may at least want to discriminate between a SFC and a Captain. You may also want to study a bit of film making and realize the difficulties in continuity you have with large casts and battle scenes.

Actually at that point the Germans were using anybody and everybody they could get their hands on.

Both the 2nd and 12st Panzer divions were in Normandy, as was the 12th SS Panzer.

Panzer Lehr arrived on the 8th of June, which, IIRC, was prior to the main action of the film.

All of the above units had the Tiger 1, the mock up of which was actually very well made, even incorporating the "rough armour" of post-1941 tanks.

The "Dick Gun" used in From Dusk Til Dawn, now thats a weapon !!

I just watched SWAT last night. Holy Hollywood ridiculous.

I couldn't believe the SWAT Snipers just watched while two bank robbers were outside, in the open, firing full-auto AK-47s and shooting down cops. They shoot one when he gets behind the wheel of a car, why did they wait?

Also puzzling, the SWAT troops were carrying M4s, wtf, SWATs standard weapon is an MP5 using 9MM. M4 have way too much velocity for city use with civilian bystanders. I think the director thought he was making a Military movie based on Rainbow Six.

Other oddities, SWAT guns running out in the open and charging bad guys hiding behind cover, what tactic is that? The get shot in open super guy move?

But seriously, SWAT is a perfect example of overblown Topgun style flashy, good looking but dumb as hell combat action.

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I agree with the rest on Windtalkers. The same flashy, good looking but dumb as hell moves as SWAT. Sniping with a Tommy Gun, OMG, funny stuff there. Close range artillery that doesn't blow Nic Cage into kibbles 'n bits . . .

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Saving Private Ryan, Way Of The Gun and Heat are among my favorites for gritty, brutally realistic combat action. Some people in Hollywood understand how to make a 'realistic' movie containing combat. It also means the movies usually have a 'R' rating.

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So , remember, 'R' rating usually means hardcore, realistic action . . . well mostly.

Way of the Gun wasnt that entertaining for me


now that stoner chick from Lock Stock 2 Smoking Barrels firing that cannon in slow-mo, thats entertaining

I watched Road to Perdition this weekend with the wife. When I saw the last scene I thought about this thread. Tom Hanks get shot from behind by the bad guy and the bullets supposedly go through him and the blood hits the window. The problem lies in the fact that the window doesn't break. It really bothered me.

I thought the guns in "Eraser" were cool; especially the scope. Maybe if the had magnetized power sources on backpacks hand held rail guns may have been a little belivable.



Can anyone tell me what

A phased plasma pulse-laser in

the forty watt range...
means

The movie I have the most heartburn over is "Red Dawn", the movie where the Soviet Union attacks and occupies the US.

There is a scene where the heroes of the movie are standing on and around a Soviet tank and it fires. The heroes put there hands over their ears, yell "ouch", fall down and get right up. I can assure you that the damage to a person's ears and the pain would be elicit more than "ouch".

"Actually at that point the Germans were using anybody and everybody they could get their hands on.

Both the 2nd and 12st Panzer divions were in Normandy, as was the 12th SS Panzer.

Panzer Lehr arrived on the 8th of June, which, IIRC, was prior to the main action of the film.

All of the above units had the Tiger 1, the mock up of which was actually very well made, even incorporating the "rough armour" of post-1941 tanks."

Czech etc troops were serving on the front lines, as reserves and on the eastern front. i like how some of them in the beach scene actually spoke czech.

secondly, the 12th SS (fanatic hitler youth) caused alot of problems. They really mixed it up with the canadians and caused alot of problems.

Secondly, no one would march those tanks into the town the way they did. Especially not the marders. Jerry wasnt that depserate as to use marders as main battle tanks. In fact, they should not have even been near the town. Those tanks are used for sitting back and lobbing shells. Not duking it out with other tanks or infantry.

The Marder was specifically a tank destroyer, but the vehicles in the movie were Panzerjäger Nashorns, which were also used in the tank-destroyer/assault-gun role.

Very possible as part of our training when I was in the Navy. A marine Gunnery Sargent used the slide removal technique on many of us during practice building entries to teach us the valuable lesson of not extending your pistol to far around the corner before you knew what was there. He could remove the slide and barrel before you knew he had a hold of your pistol. You look pretty stupid walking out of the training building with just the reciever. Bleed in training so you don't bleed in real life.

The pistol in question was the Berretta 92f 9mm.

Actually, the 5.56mm is supposed to have less penetration in flesh then a 9mm round (due to the fact that the round fragments inside tissue above certain velocities), so it's actually safer for bystanders. Granted, this is from my armchair commando perspective, but the .223 seems to becoming much more popular for police work.

One thing that I did like about SWAT was the fact that they realized that a round stayed in the chamber after dropping the mag. Now if only Colin Farrell's character had just shot the bad guy, I would have been a very happy happy man. I've been waiting for that for a while now.

The only war movie I have found truly convincing was Band of Brothers.

I liked band of brothers, but I feel it suffered the ever present budgetary limitation in giving the scope of every battle and engagement. I could never really tell how many people were involved in the holding of bastogne or the taking of that village afterwards. It always made things confusing...

Also there are some seeming plot mistakes at the end of episode 3 before episode 4 vis a vis the location of EZ company. In episode 3 it appears that EZ company is located in england at the end when the dude picks up the laundry and they are drinking it up. But at somepoint I remember it being said that they weren't going to get to go back, and that they would have to go straight back to the line. If that is the case, where did they get their dress uniforms?

5.56 has less penetration through drywall than a 9mm, for the reasons you present. It is very popular with entry teams.

I've always hated it in movies when they don't accurately potray recoil. Especially in war, crime, and action movies of the 60, 70s, and 80s. The bad and good guys blaze away with their guns, but their arms are stiff and the gun's don't move.

Well with enough practice, it doesn't really look like the gun moves or your arms do when you fire semi-automatic weapons.
And to pull off half the moves these people do you would have to practice that much.

The slide kinda just runs back and forth real quick and the sights to my own eyes just waver a bit.

Check out this site for movie accuracy

http://intuitor.com/moviephysics/index.html

I saw SWAT last night.

Stopped taking it seriously after the guy on the range had an obvious jam with his .45 and the gun kept making firing noises and kicking.

whenever anyone uses a katana in a movie - the grip is usually wrong. Off the top of my head... in pulp fiction, in the "man-sex-in-the-basement" scene... guy comes in with the katana, holding both hands together at the butt end of the handle. the left hand should be at the butt end, and the right hand should be at the opposite end of the handle, near the tsuba (guard).

still cuts people either way, just bugs me a little.

I don't think Bruce Willis was supposed to know how to use it properly....

At least the shotgun to the crotch scene was well done, no flying backwards and all that bollocks....

My all time fovorite movie weapon missuse is when a police officer is firing away at the bad guy with all kinds of bystanders bystanding. they do it in airports and malls and in crowded streets all the time... what happened to the protect part of protect and serve?

123dsa...

I haven't seen Road to Perdition yet, but thanks for telling me Tom Hanks gets shot.....

Shooting through the glass probly wouldnt accomplish much. I read on some gun physics website ages ago, when firing a bullet through glass, it usually goes anywhere but strait. The bullet spinning at high velocities will "bounce" off the shattering glass at an angle, from what I read.

This is somewhat true. The teflon coating does nothing to help penetrate armor, but instead protects the barrel of the gun, as these 'cop killer' bullets are usually a rougher material, such as steel.

True, but his was .50, remember? =) 7 round capacity. The .44 and .357 are 8 and 9 capaicity, respectively.
http://www.magnumresearch.com =)

i hate the shot in the chest and die instantly
i mean even if you are shot in the chest isnt there struggeling while your lungs flood/ heart stops if ur shot in the heart u live for 4 or 5 sec and couldnt u pull the trigger and return the favor to the ass who shot u in 4-5 sec

I guess it depends on the shock-effect. Taking a round in the chest may not kill you, but the shock you get may. I don't know much about this, but also I'd assume that taking a round anywhere must hurt quite a lot, so I'd say it could rather difficult shooting the person who shot you. I mean, you have a pain, a pain makes you loose concentration and lack of concentration means poor aim. Just my theory, though... :)

I'll give A.Rothschild right here, but then again i think that you could at least try to shoot the bastard that shot you...

Your busy dealing with that sucking feeling in your lungs :-)

That's how my friend the medic described getting hit by an AK in the chest... he was busy trying to breathe! Kind of like getting the wind knocked out of yah... except worse.

yeah !
i also love the sence where they're in the forest running away and they are all giving cover fire, then moving, cover fire, and moving etc..

the tatics were great

Bullet-Tooth Tony says his gun is Desert Eagle, point, 5-0.

And I don't think he fires that much...Hang on, I'm gonna go count, I think he only fired 7 shots.

He fires one in the entire scene.

Just checked, the Desert Eagle .50 magically has 8 bullets. At least it consistantly has 8 bullets as both times Bullet Tooth Tony empties his gun he fires 8 bullets.

My biggest gripe is when someone gets shot in the chest with a shotgun and is thrown 6 feet by the force of a few grams of lead.

Also Goldeneye while not very realistic had bond drop a gun and pick up a new one (AK-47) which was a first in my experiences with action movies.

Equilibrium. Now THERE is quality demonstration of gun usage. :p

Okay, gotta disagree with you on the car jacker theory. Last night I was watching "The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly" on Spike and there's a scene where Tuco (Eli Wallach) was confronted while in the bathtub. After he shot his foe, he stood up, held his pistol out (sideways) and fired a few more times.

No, it's definately the five-oh Desert Eagle in SNATCH...Nickel plated, shiney as hell and as big as a bunch of bananas.

Everyone should see that movie. One of the best movies ever made in my opinion. Ever. A 'Mr. Madonna' creation. Written and Directed by Guy Ritchie.

I remember for some reason the .50 AE AMT I used to be capable of 7+1.

-bear

"The Bottomless Clips" annoy me as well, but the 15 rounds out of a revolver pisses me off to no end. I am not a huge weapon enthusiast, but semi-realistic weapons would be appreciated in the movies that I watch.

Just figured I'd throw my 2 cents in.

My favorite is the 12 shot 6-shooter that seems to show up in just about every western! Clint Eastwood is one of the best firearms experts, seeing how he can fire twice as many rounds as his cowboy pistol can possibly hold. What a feat!

Why is it that in every movie ( especially Beverly Hills Cop, but many others as well) the guy is lurking around with his shotgun and when he see's the other guy, he then pumps the slide giving the enemy time to get out of the way!!
Also , any of you tried to fire two handguns at the same time ( if you have the money to have two colt combat comanders with pearl grips for perfect balance!) I certainly would be better served by using my ammo in a single weapon and reloading.

As for just putting in a new mag and pushing the release. If you have taken instruction from a professional then you get told that you should always pull the slide aback and release. It will not waste a shell. you just wan't have to pull as far.( has to do with reliability)
Finally who has the body size to conceal a Desert Eagle with out looking like you have some form of tumor? Certainly not in Arizona in the summer!!!

As much as I love Desperado and Once Upon a Time in Mexico there is one thing that always bugs me. The revolrers with silencers. Since the barrel doesn't seal with the cylinder (atleast in almost all revolvers) a silencer won't work like they do in the movies.

mushroom clouds from granades and cars that blow up with flames shooting out all the glass as if someone thought it was a good idea to store lots of explosives in the front seat next to a lit safty flare. its that or maybe i just havnt noticed how horribly explosive car seats can be

Was he using an old 1895 Nagant?

Ok, don't recall if it's been mentioned in this thread but there is a scene from "O Brother Where Art Thou?" that also drives me crazy.

It happens when the three guys have first escaped and are sleeping in the barn and the prison trackers find them and try to smoke them out of the barn with a lit torch. One of the guys throws it back and it lights the prison van on fire, the one with all of the guns and ammunition in it.

Well, in true Hollywood fashion, immediately as soon as it catches fire a) all the ammunition and guns start to shoot and b) all the guns and ammunition start to shoot off.

The fact is that when a bullet cooks off, it explodes like a mini-grenade.

It DOESN'T SHOOT!!!

Can't name any movies, but the worst for me is to see bullets SPARK a) they are made out of lead! b) when they spark off wood objects like benches or fences.

That just completely ruins the effects for me. Also when they shoot some leaking gasoline, and it ignites. Come on people! Lead don't spark!:crazy:

the super unrealistic rambo dual helicopter machine guns are my favourite

Ever shot a gun? Ever shot a gun at a range that uses steel backplates? Rounds do spark. It's not theatrically impressive, but they do. Most bullets fired in combat weapons are copper jacketed. Copper, when super-heated by immense velocity impacts with unyielding hard objects (ie hitting the steel backplate) does "spark".

There is no legit way they would spark off of a wooden object, but I cannot bring to mind any examples of such silliness so....

That is fairly silly, agreed. While they do spark, the odds are sky-high against ignition.

You, sir, are a gun geek of high order. Bravo! The Nagant was the first thing I thought of as well =)