looking for concealable pistol
 

I currently carry a glock27 prior to that I had a glock 26 which i wish i never sold...

I really like glocks I am most comfortable with them seeing how the majority of my training has been with them...

Well I want something smaller than the glock27 and i thought i found it with the kahr pm9...

but after shooting it i was not very impressed with it...the size and weight is perfect but it didnt compare with the accuracy of the glock27 and 26.

caliber isnt really important to me....9mm 40cal or 45cal...

I thought i was going to purchase the g30 next...but my buddy told me he doesnt like it for conceal carry due to its thickness...so i was looking at the g36 or the g39 which is slightly smaller

Glock 26 is friggin' TINY, bro. Do you have Hasbro hands or what?

Stick with the Glock. The Glock 36, single stack .45... is small, flat, and potent.

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If you want smaller, you could look at Taurus pistols. They've got a new line.

I don't know what TFP feelings are towards Taurus, but they're okay beaters.

I'm a big guy, I carry a Glock 30. I like the gun, it serves me well, and it's nice compromise between magazine capacity (10), caliber (45 Auto), and size. It is a double stack magazine, so it is a bit thick, but it works fine for me. If I had it to do over again, I'd look very closely at the Glock 36, but with the size of my hands, and the extra 4 round magazine capacity, I'd probably choose the 30. YMMV.

Probably the bes gun you could get of this type is an IMI SP21 Barak Pistol

Its very small, and therefore easy to conceal - but is very reliable and powerful

I'm a bit biased when it comes to Glock pistols (I own 4). I don't think you can go wrong with the G36. It's dummy proof, incredibly reliable and it packs a helluva punch. Realistically though, you can get away with carrying just about anything so long as you have a good IWB holster. I HIGHLY recommend FIST, Inc. I regularly use their kydex K1 holster to carry a full-sized G17 in a very anti-gun town.

Also, have you considered the Ruger LCP? It's so small and light that I sometimes forget that I'm wearing one.

Can't .380 just die? I want it to die. There is no good reason why 9x19 can't just take over for ultramicrocompact handguns.

And fuck Ruger autos. That junker Keltec .380 is cheaper and offers the same level of rock-throwing.

/rant

Eh, its a niche weapon. A buddy has a Keltec. I played with it and found that I liked the Ruger better.

I like my LCP with its ultra slim clip on IWB holster. I can throw it in the waist band of my running shorts when I head out on a slow and sweaty run (lots of feral dogs in the area).

The Kel Tec P3AT is -very- well made. "Junker" it a'int.

The Ruger LCP, on the other hand, will fire if dropped. They were recalled and this problem allegedly fixed, but I still only half trust them. If Ruger couldn't even steal someone else's design properly (Kel Tec is sueing their balls off for Patent Infringement as we speak)...eeh. YMMV.

I've got the Keltec. It's a junker. ;) $300 and machined like a 9th grader in shop class did it. Solid gun, just a junker.

I heard about the recall. I checked my serial number a while back and it seems that my pistol was produced after they had fixed the problem with the hammer. Your post got my underdeveloped brain boiling.....so i just went out in the front yard and repeatedly threw my cocked (and unloaded) LCP as high as I could into the air. Fuck the finish, its a working gun.

After 5 throws, the hammer is still in the cocked position. Did a couple of functions checks and everything is fine...though the pistol now needs to be cleaned.

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Did you ever know that you're my hero?

Post-recall LCPs seem to be ok, we've sold a few. I still wouldn't trust a refurbed pre-recall gun.

As for the Kel Tec...yeah, it's rough-looking. But KT didn't mean for it to be pretty, they meant it to be inexpensive, reliable, and concealable. Bear in mind that KT isn't first-and-foremost a gun company, it's a sideline for them. They're primarily an aerospace engineering firm.

Huh, interesting... I just hope the CNC tolerances and fit 'n finish of their aerospace components is better than their handguns.

I'm very partial to 1911's. My carry weapon is a Kimber Eclipse Pro II. It's a perfect size(4 inch) for me. Depending on the clothing I'm wearing I alternate between inside the waistband small of the back, and strong side hip. Kimber ultra series(3 inch) are also very efficient. you just can't beat a .45 in my book

The Keltec/LCP debate seems to be one of personal preference. For the purposes of this thread, I'm going to stick with recommending the Glock 36. It's a proven pistol, firing a proven round.

As an afterthought, the G36 fires the .45 ACP. You can ALWAYS find ball ammo in that caliber to practice with on the cheap. And there are far more options to choose from when it comes to picking out a defensive load. Not so much with the .380.

Nothing is wrong with .380's.

Take a look at the Bersa Thunder. I love the damn thing.

I thought you just used your mighty pimp hand. Guns? Weak.

Sorry to derail the thread, Walter. Talk of .380s makes me all twitchy.

Please lemme know where you have that magical pot of gold full of "cheap" .45 ACP.

Its available, sure, but it isn't cheap. .380 is less expensive... if you can find it.

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So, G5Toddaroo... you should go for the G36. Get it w/ tritiums and quad rail.

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Please lemme know where you have that magical pot of gold full of "cheap" .45 ACP.

Its available, sure, but it isn't cheap.

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the cheapest I can find winchester white box ammo in .45 is around $42. So yea they aren't cheap, but the good thing about a .45 is you don't need as many shots:thumbsup:

Eeehhh... you do for training.

I know I was being sarcastic.

with the cost of ammo, and the shortage, and the shitty economy, my training lately has consisted of draw stroke, sight picture, and trigger pull...unloaded of course

Dude, you gotta get out of NOVA. I think a 50 round box of the cheap 45 ACP is running around $15-20 at Wally World when they have it (usually every other week or so). 380 range ammo is non-existant.

Dunedan...what are you guys charging for a box of cheap 45 ACP?

G5...another reason to go with the G36 is the availability of after-market parts. A set of Novak Lo-Mount night sights, extended slide release and Ghost trigger connector will VASTLY improve the functionality of the pistol for under $250. And because its a Glock, you can almost literally drop in the parts by yourself.

Yeah .380. Gangbangers in DC come to NoVA to buy ammo for their Hi-Points and Bersas.

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I'm leaving NoVA as fast as I can, really. I'm only here for family, really. Silly reason.

And I'm totally going to buy a Glock 36 tomorrow. Once I walk off this erection.

No such animal anymore...cheapest we've got in stock is Blazer aluminum-cased 230gr hardball at $25.00. Have got some Blazer in .380 as well (finally!).

I COULD just use my pimp hand, but I like to shoot my initials into their chest afterwards.


That, and I was a competitive shooter for over a decade (mostly smallbore international style 3p). Give me an Anschutz or a Bushmaster DCM rifle, and I'll put up my bank account against anyone on this board.

Not interested in your bank account, but if you put up say....a case of beer....then I and atleast one other TFP regular I know might take you up on that.

10-4. Iron sights, and no bitching when I pull out my Sauer suit and Eley EPS. Time to fall back into my Olympic Training Center and Camp Perry glory days!

Walt; Why do I get the feeling we're thinking about the same beanpole?

thanks for all the replies and the lil debates...i am leaning toward the g36.

when i sold my g26 i forgot that if i wanted to carry a gun outta state it needed to be privately owned, i dont own my g27 so im really not suppose to take it outta the state.

so i currently dont personally own a pistol. when i sold my g26 i intended on buying a light and small revolver to carry as a backup/off duty...but i just like the accuracy of the glock.

even though i fully realize a backup/off duty would most likely be used at a short range (point and shoot) but with the g27 i can hit a bowling pin at 50 yards in 1-3 shots every time.

Easy there killer

I love my KelTec PF9...fit in the hand a lot nicer than the P11, the capacity loss doesn't particularly bother me, and I test enough of my defense ammo that the P11's multistrike 'feature' is a nonissue.

The Glock really isnt a premium quality metal.

Look at the size of this shooter... perfect for concealment!

This bad boy comes in 9mm, .40 and .45 size for different bullets, and can hold 10 bullets (or 15 in 9mm size)

Ha. He's pretty handy with a rifle. Im sure he would be game. And it would give me an opportunity to put him in his place - he's due.

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How do you define "premium quality metal"? The Glock is a working pistol, it ain't paid to sit around and look pretty. By that I mean you can throw it in mud, submerge it in water, even bury it in sand and it will still shoot. I know because I've done it with mine to see if all of the hype was legit.

On a whim, I once ran about 2,000 rounds of cheap, ball ammo through a G17 without cleaning it. I put the pistol away dirty for about a week, then went back out and ran another 2,000 rounds of ammo through it. I wanted to see how gunked up the pistol had to be before it would malfunction. I ran out of ammo before I found out.

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Which explains why it's carried by the IDF...you know, Israeli Defense Force?!

Made by Jews/Israelis. No other qualifications needed in SF's world, despite the fact that the IDF avoids IMI products like Pork and carries Glock sidearms.

See above. According to SF, Israelis make the best guns. He can offer no proofs or reasons for this, except for the fact that both he and they are nominally Jewish. However, this is enough for him to run down literally every other manufacturer in the world as inferior to IMI, despite the fact that he knows nothing about firearms, or their usages, or the calibers they chamber, or the effectiveness of such. This is the individual who once posited that a 5.56mm Galil would be ideal for bear hunting (unfortunately, the Tavor is not his first such silliness) and that a .50AE Desert Eagle would be the ultimate self-defense handgun because "it can shoot straight through walls!" ....while at the same time insisting that "All peacable people worldwide must be disarmed for the common good."

i carry the controversial :p FN five seven when i feel like it. Its a little bulky but loaded it weighs about as much as my old nextel brick phone. which makes it to me, pretty much unoticeable.
However i will be switching to my xdm 9 soon as Kramer sends me my damn holster i ordered 2 months ago. (Talk about frustrating, especially living only 30 min away from them :/ )

I believe the IDF use the Jericho 941?

I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with a cheap Austrian gun like a Glock, but if someone wants the best quality they should really look at IMI weapons.

The Uzi is universally acknowledged as the best gun in its class, as is the Desert E... most people who know guns will tell you that IMI is the best manufacturer out there.

Dude, either you get your information from playing "Call of Duty 4" or you're just trolling. Most people who know guns will tell you:

1) There's nothing cheap about Glocks but their price. The only difference between them and a $4,000 custom STI 1911 is the shooter.

2) The Uzi was universally acknowledged as the best gun in its class....in the 1960's.

3) The Desert Eagle is a nice conversation piece (as in "sorry about your dick, bro")but there is a reason that NOBODY who carries a gun for a living will even consider using one.

Hey, the Desert Eagle has a very practical use: letting internet forums everywhere filter out the fanboys and posers from those with actual firearms knowledge.

I think the Intratec DC-9 is a good concealed carry piece.

50 round mag of ball ammo. Shoestring sling. Good to go.

Name one. Somebody published, somebody us gun-crazy Americans know. Citations would be nice.

I can't help but think about Gunkid whenever I see a thread like this.

I know...next thing we'll be treated to a lecture on the virtues of the Armored Assault Wheelbarrow (MkII).

I prefer the MkIII myself; it has two extra gunports not to mention the extra .25 inch of steel plate.

True, but that extra weight really cuts into the amount of peanut-butter you can carry.

Got some bucks?

http://www.guntechinc.com/Walther_PPS.jpg

I've been wanting one of those for a LONG time.

Got few bucks?

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/kel-tec_pf9-1.jpg

Got one.... it rocks for carry. Both, however, are shoot-some-carry-lots guns - they're really light weight, which makes them somewhat uncomfortable to shoot, and harder to shoot accurately. Guns like this will beat you around, and your hand will let you know, resulting in a steady dropoff of accuracy. Kel-tecs may not have the finish of other companies, but they are affordable and fill their niche quite well. Make sure to hit the grip with a little sandpaper and the finish doesn't enter into it. It's a tool, not a piece of jewelry.

/links hot like a freshly ejected casing

Since Crompsin has expressed his admiration for .380, did you check out the sig p238?

There is a rather lengthy review here:

I think it was more disdain than admiration ;)

...and I'm in the same camp. .380 is the .40S&W of the 9mm world - just another neutered round with mediocre performance.

Yeah, fo-get all y'alls .380s. They're garbage... should be on the curb.

It's like the fat girl you don't want your friends seeing you with in public.

If this isn't admiration, I don't know what is.

not to be unfair to one of history's great cartridges, but .380 has another problem- Its near impossible to fucking find any in a lot of places these days...have not seen a single box on a shelf anywhere in my town of 100,000 people in gun loving missouri, with our Dicks sporting goods, bass pro super store, midway USA down the road about 3 miles, and 3 super walmarts that stock a mind bogling variety of ammo types..... oh, and 4 dedicated gun shops as well..... and thats for at least six months now-

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in answering the OP's question, the option I went for with regard to a really small pistol was first- a PA -63- the 9mm mak is ever so slightly more powerful than the .380, and is also priced about like 9mm round these parts- and it was available all through the darkest parts of the still continuing ammo shortage, mail order and on shelves locally - found the PA -63 to be easily carried, light, but it had a HELLISH recoil (damn thing is freakish in that regard, NOTHING else in my collection, including the .410 deringer, hurts to shoot like that) and so I ordered a spring kit from wolf gun springs, hoping that helps solve that ( have not been able to check yet) also go a good deal on a CZ-82- love the HELL outa that one, a little wider than the PA-63, but REALLY a heluva better gun- better sights, 12 round capacity, beter ergo, everything .... But then, Note that I am a self acknowledged fan of comblock milisurp guns, and something of a combat tupperware hater..... Sure, they do work, and damn well for the vast majority of shooters, but they just do not feel right to me.... someday I will most inevitably sip the glock coolaide, but not for a while at least........

if you have larger hands you may like the xd over the glock..
i cant fire those square shaped blasters very comfortably personally

Glock is full of fail. All you need to do, Fire, is shoot a Steyr.

It is too bad they are not imported any more - they are what combat tupperware should aspire to be :D