H-S Precision Rifles BOYCOTT
 

Folks, this one will turn your stomach. H-S Precision rifles, builder of high-end sniper rifles for the U.S. Military and various L-E agencies, has just released their latest catalog. And on the back cover is a full-page endorsement by none other than LON HORIUCHI, the FBI sniper responsible for the murder of Vicki Weaver, the attempted murders of Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris, and who also served as a "disincentive to exit" the burning Mt. Carmel Church at Waco, TX.

For those too young to remember, this is the piece of human filth who said, after murdering Vicki Weaver, that;

1: He thought the baby girl in her arms was a gun.
2: He was -actually- shooting at someone else, but missed.
3: She was behind a solid door, he couldn't see her, and for some reason he felt like shooting through the door. Too bad, so sad, terrible accident.

He's been living in hiding since 1993, and for good reason. I would pay money, GOOD money, to see what Randy and Elishiba Weaver would do to him in a locked room.

So I'm asking all you gunnies here, contact H-S Precision and let them know how disgusting this is. Let them know loudly and often. Then contact every company they do business with, the NRA, Ducks Unlimited, Cabelas, and Dick's Sporting Goods, all of whom either distribute H-S Precision products or who's logo appears in the ad alongside Horiuchi's name. Let them know too. ZUMBO these motherfuckers!

H-S Precison. Remember, when you absolutely, positively, have -GOT- to shoot a nursing mother in the back, accept no substitutes.

Wow, that's like using the old DC mayor as a "DARE" drug program spokesman.

Douchebaggery.

Well believe it or not he has his supporters too. I don't get it but they are out there, especially in the Fed LE system. I guess some of those guys feel like he was doing his job and it could have been them. Personally I find shooting people in poor taste, certainly unless they have a gun pointed at me or mine. So yeah I'm no fan. But they wouldn't put him out there if they didn't think it would help with the LE contract sales, IMO.

I'm sure they had a pool of other shooters to choose from, I'd imagine... and they went with him. Bad move.

Besides... anybody that can afford an H-S can afford better.

we'll be hearing about the backlash and company response soon. I've heard alot of phone calls and letters have been hitting corporate.

The real question: Is DK's secluded compound fortified enough to handle gummint guys with H-S Precisions?

just like a marine sniper, they'll never see me til its too late.

...especially your income tax, right? You fight the man, DK. Just remember I'm still your buddy when I come to serve that no-knock warrant at 3 AM.

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Just kidding.

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I guess the big thing to remember is that companies like this cater specifically to law enforcement as a vast majority of civilians can't afford or wouldn't want their type of product. A lot of products marketed in the LE field are like this: represented by overweight white guys with crew cuts and Oakley sunglasses doing "tactical stuff."

Many moons ago, the CATO institute did a report on the militarization of police forces in the US and found some pretty disturbing trends. The primary issue is that "law enforcement" somehow equates to "I've got a gun and I'll shoot you," instead of "To serve and protect," for a lot of people in uniform and civilians dealing with the those in uniform. The implement used to defend (be it handgun or shoulder arm) has somehow become the dominating symbol of the occupation. When you ask somebody what they think when they think cop, they'll mention "gun" over "badge" or "blue uniform" or "squad car" even though most officers rarely ever have to use their guns in the line of duty.

I didn't think that the police / sheriff's depts in the US were paramilitary boys clubs, but it turns out I may be wrong.

Blegch. What a violent world. It saddens me.

If they didnt want to be shot at, they shouldnt have engaged in illegal activities and then shot at the cops.

Vicki Weaver shot how many rounds at cops?

Okay, I can't be nice anymore. Randy Weaver is a total douchebag and should have been shot first on that day.

The Waco guy? David Change-My-Name McWhiteJesus? Capping him would have saved a lot of lives, too.

Too bad the good guys have rules that prevent them from doing what would be in the best interest of those involved.

Remember the confused cracker motto: "One man's paranoid racist white trash piece of human filth is another man's patriot."

Let's all fly some confederate flags, wave our copy of The Turner Diaries, and go buy some ANFO. Ignorant motherfuckers.

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(sigh)

My only issue with the whole shebang is that the police have the ability to wait for a long period of time. Negotiate, etc.

They're not special forces delta super ninjas... they don't have to exercise the dynamic entry kill-the-bastards option after they get bored.

I think the whole world plays too many video games. Civvies are ready to shoot, cops are ready to shoot... and nobody thinks it through.

Police need to chill the hell out. They've got to realize they have the upper hand 90% of the time and use that power to save lives.

Even in situations where common sense would say that a bullet to the head would be safer, faster, and cheaper than a day in court.

When your actions cause your boss,FBI director Louis Freeh, to state to the U.S. Senate hearing investigating the incident that "synonymous with the exaggerated application of federal law enforcement" and "law enforcement overreacted at Ruby Ridge." You're probably doing it wrong.

A Justice Department review later found Horiuchi's second shot (the one that ended Vicki Weaver's life) was unconstitutional and the lack of a request to surrender was "inexcusable", since Harris and the two Weavers were running for cover and could not pose an imminent threat. The task force also specifically blamed Horiuchi for firing through the door, not knowing whether someone was on the other side of it. While controversy exists as to who issued the orders that were being followed by the sniper, the task force also condemned the so-called "rules of engagement" allowing shots to be fired with no request for surrender.

When you fail to follow your own rules you're doing it wrong.

Talking is cheap and requires a lot less paperwork. Not to mention talking rarely leads to fatalities. "Kill'em all, let God sort'em out" is a mildly humorous slogan for a t-shirt. It's a terrible strategy for law enforcement.

Well put.

with all due respect to you crompsin, randy weaver may have been a total douchebag, but didn't do anything to deserve being shot at, much less being shot at first. The only illegal thing he did voluntarily was sell some shotguns that the government said were illegal. With regards to the Waco issue, agents KNEW that Koresh made several weekly trips in to town and could have arrested him at any time once outside the compound, then the rest of the compound would have most likely quietly surrendered. The ATF had to make a big show of a raid in order to prevent a budget cut.

The feds blew it, major league blown, and barely paid any price.

Like I said... everybody is a dumbass.

LE seems like a bunch of trigger-happy doughboys in Oakleys.

Throw in the domestic psychos and it makes the combination all the more volatile.

Nobody wins and we all get to be pocket philosophers.

I think youre all missing the point here. Horiuchi made a helluva shot. He shot a crouching woman, partially exposed for a fraction of a second in a doorway, who happened to be holding a baby at the time. He fired, missed the baby and hit the woman resulting in a one shot kill. THAT is precision shooting. The kind you can build an advertising campaign around.

I disagree, that's shooting an unarmed person and in direct violation of the agency that employed him not to mention the constitution of the US.

Walter, what did you say about killing women in children when you were a door gunner in 'Nam? "You just don't lead as much!"

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Ya know, ASP and Monadnock should totally use racially-charged police beatings in their collapsing baton ads.

"YOU CAN BEAT A [RACIAL SLUR], BUT YOU CAN'T BEAT THE QUALITY OF OUR PRODUCT!"

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SUPER ULTRA BAD TASTE:

Yeah. YEAH! Hey, I've got it: when I decide to defy the gummint and fight the system and become a true patriot and get AWL WY-ULD 'N KRAY-ZEE... I'm gonna get one of those sporty Baby Bjorn kid-on-chest harnesses to sit above my Multicam Crye Precision blast belt with the FastMag pouches for my stereotypical tricked AR.

Beat that! A rack system that holds 240 rounds of 5.56 AND features an innocent screaming poo factory as torso protection. It weighs a lot less than a pair of stand alone Lvl 4 plates (like the ones I had stolen in A-stan in '06, bastards).

Maybe I should write STRIKE FACE on the kid's forehead. What a hoot.

So...how is this any different from shooting a guy carrying nothing more than binos and a radio who just happens to be spotting for a mortar team? The spotter is unarmed and defenseless.

The Weaver chick willingly opened the door to provide cover/concealment to a guy who had just shot Feds. She aided the enemy and her chosen course of action bit her in her racially superior arse.
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If you ask me, the real crime was Randy Weavers beard.


http://www.thewe.cc/thewei/_/images_...ure_of_son.jpe

I reckon old Whoreriuchi was already a stage and a half into a two stage trigger. I'd bet she spooked 'em and suddenly developed a second navel.

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This thread is makin' my millenium.

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Whoa, shit. Intense. Compare the scraggly face-apron to that sweet crew cut. He's Marine Corps on top and spaced-out hobo down below.

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Expert marksman couldn't focus on him during the standoff due to his overwhelming facial hair.

Somehow I don't think the Justice Dept. would have found the shooting to be in violation of the constitution if there were no difference. Believe what you want. If you want to believe shooting an unarmed civilian who posed no direct threat makes sense, then by all means believe that. I'm not buying it and neither did the FBI or the Justice Dept.

listo aqui.

Apparently the FBI and the Justice Dept didnt have too much of a problem with it as the case against Horiuchi was dismissed. Twice. The FBI then felt confident enough in Horiuchis judgement and abilities to put him behind a gun in Waco.

Walter, I can't decide if you're being beautifully sarcastic (if so, WELL DONE!) or if you left your prefrontal cortex on the floor of a 'Slick back in Vietnam after losing an argument with a 14.5.

I am not being sarcastic nor have I gone full retard. I fully stand by my statements:

Vicky Weaver aided a murderous criminal and in doing so, became a criminal. She made her choices and had to live with them (though not for long). Sometimes you bite the bear, sometimes the bear bites you.

Horiuchi made a helluva (justified) shot and if I could afford it, I would throw in for a HS Precision rifle. If nothing else, its proven.

Randy Weavers beard is atrocious and deserves mockery.

/You never go full retard.

And you're seeing the beard on a -good- day; I ran into him at a gun-show a few years back and swore the beard had developed a central nervous system and primitive eyes.

Whoa, you're telling me that Randy Weaver's beard is really the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

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Also, your last post is the perfect setup to some joke we haven't heard yet...

"So, I ran into heavily-bearded Randy Weaver at a gun show..."

Im not surprised. Gun enthusiasts tend to neglect personal hygiene in their persuit of antisocial activities.

I met Lon Horiuchi a few years back when I was on a high school field trip to the FBI headquarters at Quantico. The guy was a shell of a man. His body language just screamed 'defeat' and he wouldnt make eye contact. Im surprised he's still around. I'd have thought he would have chewed on a gun barrel by now.

I just snorted like a ditzy school girl.

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That doesn't mean you can open fire, either.

Walter does live in the past...

http://media.funlol.com/content/img/...ts-for-you.jpg

Ok, so it was more than a few years ago. And I was taking one of those Law Enforcement classes. We got to do combatives, hit the shooting range and go to Quantico to ride with guys doing the evasive driving course and watch the HRT guys go to work in a shoot house. I realize that I sound like Im way too fired up about this, but I got to do those things FOR A GRADE IN HIGH SCHOOL. You cant tell me that you would have chosen Classical Music Appreciation over that.

Ah, memories...

I'd be willing to bet the Mr. Universe you posted from your personal clown-punchin' collection has Ripley's Believe It or Not on the other end of the line with this high school / FBI field trip story. Did the feds have HRT back in 1919 when you were a wee lad?

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You live in Stafford / Garrisonville in the '80s or what?

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Man, my high school experience was so P.C. brokedick we didn't have a real shop class because they were afraid we would make zip guns. Then I joined the AH-ME and got all the shop class experience I needed poking UXOs hooked up to Barbie alarm clocks.

How the world has changed. I blame box cutters. And Randy Weaver's beard.

I do FEEL like an old fuck. Im a 27 year old freshman in a hippie college surrounded by 18 year old liberal douchebags armed a sense of moral superiority, frappachinos, $500 cell phones and Che t-shirts. Their world views are shaped by watching Carson Daily on TRL and spending a week in London with daddy's AmEx. The worst part is that I havent had the opportunity to bang any of them. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

But you cant fault the neck beard for the impending fall of Rome. I blame the advent of vegetarian options at BBQ joints, The View and Ugg eskimo boots.

Hmm, do you think Bushmaster would offer me a consulting fee if I put their marketing department in touch with Lee Malvo?

Well, at least a few of them ended up in Prague too, and trust me, the Gypsies helped them with that little AmEx problem. These are the ones that make all the American/British long-haul expats want to hide in a hole and pull the world closed over themselves. Trust me, NOBODY makes Americans look as silly as a Left-Statist wandering around in a recently-Communist country.

Now youre just being obscene. Lee Malvo was a murdering, sociopathic, domestic terrorist. Horiuchi is a God-fearing patriot who diligently performed his duties so that you and I may sleep soundly at night. Im disgusted that you would even compare the two. Bad form, sir.
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Apparently you've never seen an 18 year old Private after his first encounter with German beer and currywurst. It was enough to make me wish I was Canadian.

I feel like I just sold my soul by saying that....

I can see it now:

Now I see how it's easy for you to say and believe the crap that you've said on this thread.

Ah. If its contrary to what you say and believe, it must be wrong.

Please feel free to bestow upon me the lessons learned and knowledge gained from your worldly experiences and obvious intellectual superiority.

best reread what i wrote then. I specificallly said "Now I see how it's easy for you to say and believe the crap that you've said on this thread". I didn't say you were right or wrong, I gave my opinion that your view is crap.

As a 42 year old man who served 6 years as a US Marine and an Air Traffic Controller, along with years of studying gun laws and abuse of law enforcement power, I'm well qualified. You might get there if you can break out of your 'government does no wrong' bubble.

dksuddeth:

Walter is a 27 year old freshman because he just left the Military. He also has a very dark, subtle sense of sarcasm. Take a few moments to re-read his posts (and remember that he is arguing with friends of his) with that in mind, you might find them more amusing and illuminating.

I might. I'll have to get more sleep first. Not doubting what you've said, but damn i'm tired.

Sir, I am inclined to agree with your well supported argument. You are older than I. That alone should persuade me as to the infallibility of your statements.

But your age, coupled with the fact that you are able to read books without pictures, have spent years in the Marine Corps as well as having made an occupation of ensuring that planes dont run into stuff (in the sky) leaves me with no choice but to come to the conclusion that you are more than qualified to pass judgement about my opinions and dismiss them as "crap".

You have left me with no choice but to respectfully retract my previous statements and withdraw from the thread.

Well played, Sir.

I wasn't going to argue this, but it is wearing on me.

If you disagreed with Walter (ignoring the sarcasm) you should simply explain where he is going wrong. Instead you address what he wrote as 'crap' while providing nothing of substance in return.

The simple truth is that while the FBI lost it's collective mind during this incident, there is a lot more to the story which puts randy, his family, and the events that transpired into a far darker color of gray than you portray in your post.

You suggest that the only thing Randy did illegal was to sell those shotguns and that he didn't deserve to be shot at (which is likely the truth, but still...). what about these incidents:

1: In 1985 Randy Weaver came up on the Secret Services radar for allegedly making threats against the President. Definately Illegal, though he was never charged.

2: After Randy Weaver failed to appear in court (I will concede that he did not deliberately miss his trial) he refused to surrender to US Marshals and the armed standoff began, which makes him guilty of resisting arrest, use of a firearm in commission of a felony, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, etc.

3: Since Randy Weaver and his family took up fighting positions whenever a vehicle would approach, his family was fully involved in the standoff and were guilty of aiding and abetting, at the very least.

4: Randy's son was not shot out of the blue, but rather after the standoff had already developed and his family had essentially been 'put on notice' that Randy was going to be arrested. He had reason to believe federal agents might be in the area, and should not have aggressed on them after they put down the dog that attacked them. And he certainly should not have shot at the officers, which really does make for a good self defense shooting.

5: Horiuchi didn't murder Vicki Weaver in cold blood. He is a moron and should be held criminally culpable for his idiocy, but I think it is pretty clear he was shooting at Kevin Harris, especially considering that the fated bullet first passed through Kevin Harris, then through a door before hitting Vicki, who was concealed behind the door.

Horiuchi's actions, as well as the FBI conduct of the incident were contemptible, but call a spade a spade and don't build Randy Weaver up to be some mythic hero, or tear Horiuchi down as someone who deliberately shot and killed a woman who was just 'holding a baby' rather than someone who was aiding Weavers efforts to evade lawful arrest. How did Randy not break the law by engaging in an armed standoff with the Police and FBI?

Second, you quote your life experience as somehow qualifying you for...something though I'm not really sure what it was as you never presented an argument other than saying Randy didn't do anything illegal (other than the shotgun thing). I abhor trotting out the life experience/credentials trump card, and I feel that doing so in a discussion is typically the precursor to an appeal to authority fallacy, as this seems to be.

But since you mentioned it, how exactly do your years of experience in an air traffic control tower qualify you to speak with authority on the Ruby Ridge incident? And in particular, how does it better qualify you than Walter, who has at least six years of law enforcement experience; the kind you get from actually being law enforcement?


I agree with you most of the time here on TFP. I also feel that Ruby Ridge should have resulted in criminal charges against several of the agents involved, Huriuchi in particular. However, the Weaver family was not by any means free of culpability and rather than discuss that with Walter when he decided to play devils advocate you went straight to calling his assertions crap and pulling out your life experience and laying it on the table.

Walter, I sincerely apologize for my inability to detect any sarcasm in your posts. As I said previously, i'm extremely tired and while i'm not trying to excuse my derogatory statements, I hope you can accept that as an explanation of why I jumped in that direction.

Greg, Please read above and understand that I do regret making the statements I have in this thread.

I'm going to try to drive home without falling asleep at the wheel now. good night.

No worries, if everyone agreed all the time discussion boards wouldn't exist.

Good luck.

Greg

No worries. Apologies arent necessary on teh internets. To be honest, I was a bit over the top in playing devils advocate. Safe trip.

Bullshit. With our egos? We could agree with each other for days.

Stop by the shop sometime, mate, it's 10x worse in real life with demonstration models hangin' on the walls ;-)

What a bunch of morons. Using Lon Horiuchi to try and sell guns would be like getting Tonya Harding to sell ice skates. Or like Obama asking George Bush to sell another war.

Sorry, HS, you've screwed yourselves over during what could have been a great opportunity; Obama's going to be inaugurated in a little over a month meaning gun sales are going crazy, and you've just alienated most gun enthusiasts.

Even in the worst-case scenario (McCarthy's AWB passes,) nothing made by HS would be banned. It's all about the Evil Black Rifles and buying 15 1stripped lowers to build up your AR collection once the Muslim president passes his gun laws.

It's going to be awesome in 6 months when they realize that gun control isn't high on the list of things to get done by anyone important and that they have to sell that stuff at a loss to make credit card payments.

I like the paranoid white-guy en masse gun buy going on right now. It shows how the Bush Administration really has lowered IQs.

thats why i'm waiting for next xmas to buy mine.

...Obama did state on NPR that he supports a nationwide ban on concealed carry. While gun control isn't necessarily going to be a priority, the democrats will not have any excuse not to at least implement some 'reasonable' restrictions to prevent future atrocities with assault weapons, the 12'th round in a pistol magazine, .50 cal 'armor piercing sniper rifles,' etc.

And I agree with Willravel, that regardless of the actual circumstances behind the incident, Horiuchi has become pure kryptonite to the firearms community and using him was a very serious error in judgment.

To get back on topic, I stumbled across this while reading the latest news on this issue on another forum:

from the DOJ report on the investigation into Randy. It sortof makes those "Shotguns" sound a little more illegal than they are typically portrayed to be, and the fact that the conversation was tape recorded doesn't help Randy's story that the source set him up and cut off the barrels himself:

On October 24, 1989, Weaver met with Fadeley, who was wearing a miniature tape recorder and an electronic transmitter. At that time, Weaver gave Fadeley two shotguns, one with a 13 inch barrel, the other with a 12-3/4 inch barrel. Weaver told Fadeley that he had cut the shotgun barrels himself, "[s]itting under a shade tree with a vise and a hacksaw," and added that, "when I get my workshop set up I can do a better job."[FN42] Fadeley paid Weaver $300.00 for the weapons. When Weaver requested an additional $150.00 for the weapons, Fadeley told him that he would give him the additional money at the next purchase.[FN43] Fadeley then proceeded to tell Weaver that "[t]here is money to be had, and it looks like [you] did a real nice job". He then asked Weaver, "You figured four or five a week?" to which Weaver replied, "yeah, or more." Weaver repeated that there would be no paper trail on the weapons.[FN44]


No news yet from HS precision yet, their failure to do any form of damage control is absolutely mind-boggling. If nothing else they should, in the interest of keeping their company, either apologize for a bad lapse in judgment, or defend their decision.

I really want to know why a sniper who shot 2 shots from less than 200 yards, failing to kill either target, and accidentally killing a 'bystander' is in a position to endorse the quality of the equipment he used: Afterall, either he is an idiot who can't shoot, or his equipment was junk, either way it doesn't make for a very powerfull endorsement.

I've watched snipers make far more difficult shots than any of the ones Horiuchi screwed up. (edited because it was a bit over the top).

You read that issue of American Riflemen too, huh?

Just like Brady II when it threatened all that was good and holy in the gun world? Meh, I'll believe it when it happens and when it happens it'll be too damn late anyway. Needless to say, politicians make their careers on telling a particular group what they wanna hear and then rotating their face around like suit-clad Janus to tell the opposite group everything is fine. Just because he's sporting a "radical new skin pigmentation" doesn't mean he's not the same old goblin underneath. I'm excited about the prospect of an educated man in the White House, but this isn't going to be Air Force One or an episode of some fancy TeeVee political action drama.

All that bullshit above really means this:

I'd venture to say gun control will be pushed way under the rug until the next cranky emo kid unloads on his school with a piece of shit gun nobody on the board would touch. Hi-Point and Intratec had their round of bad publicity. Who's next? Phoenix Arms and Rossi?

Gun control doesn't do a damn thing besides placate upper class white bread morons and I'd be willing to wager that Mr. Prez is smart enough with his top shelf education to realize that he needs to placate the XX million people in the states that own guns if he wants that second term.

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Whew, I'm starting to feel Canadian here. Somebody hit me with a can of Budweiser, dump a sack of beef jerky on my head and give me a papercut with a Playboy.
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Are you whining? Get an agent.

You already get beards and cool black stripes over your eyes, what else do you want? :thumbsup:

As much as I try to be a gun Enthusiast, I didn't hear about H-S precision until this whole controversy boiled up. Perhaps this was part of their marketing ploy?

I dont' see how they would think deliberately trotting out Horiuchi's name in order to gin up controversy would work out well for them. The kind of controversy that is beneficial to a company is the kind that gets people talking about it, but doesn't really, really piss them off in a very big way. Most people who are in HS precisions market know about them already, or at least use their products. Making them angry will only stimulate people to cancel future orders.

HS has been a competitor in the precision rifle scene for a while now, though most of their stuff is fairly high-end considering its mass produced. Overkill for your average hunter and most civilians that do semi-serious long range shooting tend to start with their action of choice and build from there.

Most of HS's business is from federal agencies. For that reason, I can kind of see why they would use Horiuchi in their campaign. He's [in]famous and a lot of Fed shooters sympathize with him...which may sway local police departments that arent locked in to contracts with weapons manufacturers . A "If its good enough for the feds its good enough for us" line of thought.

Not exactly a well thought out advertising campaign as us gun nuts tend to have long memories. It probably would have been cheaper (considering the business they're bound to lose) to track down one of the worlds top shooters, sponsor him and hope he wins big at Camp Perry.

IMHO the bolt gun is dead. The new semi's are shooting just as well as the old bolt guns, have a superior magazine capacity and offer the shooter more options to modify the rifle to suit mission requirements.

"To Our Valued Customers:

H-S Precision has received comments relating to individual testimonials in our 2008 catalog. All of the testimonials focused on the quality, accuracy and customer service provided by H-S Precision.

The management of H-S Precision did not intend to offend anyone or create any type of controversy. We are revising our 2009 catalog and removing all product testimonials.

Sincerely,

The Management of H-S Precision"

How corporate of them.

How odd, I did not see that coming at all.

Just like politicians. They use a lot of words to say nothing at all.

Exactly.

"We're sorry we got caught using an endorsement from the man who is either the most incompetant "Sniper" in history (an option favored by a regular customer of ours who's had to work with ATF), or a shreiking sociopath as an endorsement. Please don't be mad at us. In order to avoid revealing such facts about ourselves in the future, we've removed -all- endorsements, not just those from infomcpetants and/or murderers, from our website. Now please tell Remington to reinstate their order!"

Hell, if they're only shooting women at children at ~300 meters... why not just get a Silurian-era Savage bolt gun in .300 ShoulderBreaker?

I agree in principle, though Im hesitant to use the word "sociopath" with any implied negative connotations.

Ya know, that test is all about consistency.

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