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IC3 · 03-05-2005, 12:05 AM

Take a look at these 2 pics, All i did was plugged in my old keyboard and the system froze..I shut it down started it back up and it seemed fine. Then i checked my Intel active monitor and..Well, The pictures will tell you.

I don't get it..Nothing is overheating..Everything seems to be running fine..All my fans are going.

So why the hell would i be getting this message if everything is good.

I'm not sure if you need info..But XP Pro, Pent 4 3.0ghz
I don't have the keyboard i plugged in in anymore, I put my other one back in.
It's not even the keyboard that caused this..It's 3am and the second picture's time is before midnight in the options box.

FloydianOne · 03-05-2005, 12:12 AM

What type of power supply do you have (in watts)? And what type of hardware do you have in it? Video card etc.

Also have you run this software before this happened, the reason is you can run old software that was written before your cpu came out and it wouldnt recognize the voltage and might give an unfounded error.

IC3 · 03-05-2005, 12:14 AM

Intel Pentium 4 3.0GHz / 1MB Cache / 800MHz FSB / Socket 478 / HyperThreading / Processor

Maxtor / 200GB / 7200 / 8MB / ATA-133 / IDE / Hard Drive

Coolmax 18" IDE Round Cable Translucent Purple

Powmax / LP6100C / 300-Watt / ATX / Dual 80mm power supply

Ultra 512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz Memory CL3

CTG 6in 5.25 Internal Power Y-Cable

Intel D865PERLX Intel Socket 478 ATX Motherboard / AGP 8X/4X/1X / Audio / 10/100Mbps LAN / Serial ATA

Hiro 32 Bit 10/100/1000 Mbps Gigabit Ethernet

Aerocool X-Raider / All Socket A/478 Processors / Sleeve Bearing/Aluminum Fins/Blue LED / CPU Cooling Fan

Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live 24-Bit PCI Sound Card

Asus GeForce FX 5200 / 128MB DDR / AGP 8X / VGA / DVI / TV Out / Video Card

Samsung / 16x4x16x DVD+RW / 12x4x16x DVD-RW / 40x32x48x CD-RW / Internal Black DVD Burner

IC3 · 03-05-2005, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Also have you run this software before this happened, the reason is you can run old software that was written before your cpu came out and it wouldnt recognize the voltage and might give an unfounded error.

When i built this everything was brand new

FloydianOne · 03-05-2005, 12:22 AM

Im pretty sure the p4 3.0ghz CPU core is supposed to be 1.55V... I dont know much about how this will affect your system, however overclockers usually raise their core voltage so i can only assume this might slow down your computer a bit and you will probably notice performance issues. You might want to get your power supply checked out... perhaps try another one and see if your problem is fixed.

edit: you can read an article about voltages here...
http://www.cpuplanet.com/features/article.php/1690721

IC3 · 03-05-2005, 12:25 AM

Ya i'm gonna take it to a computer shop tommorrow and have a guy i know look at it.

I just don't get what made the voltage jump like that..And i'm almost positive that your right about the voltage being 1.55

If i pushed the reset button..You think that would fix it?

FloydianOne · 03-05-2005, 12:31 AM

The reset button on the power supply? I dont know it might... i might try un plugging it from the wall letting the power led on your motherboard go out then plugging it back in. That seems to fix problems for me.... Also you might want to look in your bios settings make sure nothing is messed up in there, because you can mess with voltages (for pinless overclocking) in there.

IC3 · 03-05-2005, 12:32 AM

I will try unplugging the power supply, But i meant reseting the whole system. I got a reset switch below my power switch.

EDIT:

I unplugged the power supply..Didn't fix it. I don't know..I would check my bios..But i'm not sure what the default setting is suppose to be if it has changed.

Maybe it's just me..But it seems faster now, I been opening pages in my favourites and they seem to open quicker than before

I think it's just me though, I don't think my computer just decided to overclock itself.

doubleaught · 03-05-2005, 02:31 AM

looks like you're just running the basics... but that 300w power supply still seems pretty low. especially considering it's not an antec or enermax or other HQ manufacturer. I'm not positive this will fix the problem, but it's something that needs attention anyway. imho, you're just asking for trouble if you "eh, it's good enough" this.

recommended reading...
http://www.firingsquad.com/guides/po...ly/default.asp

IC3 · 03-05-2005, 09:13 AM

Quote:

looks like you're just running the basics... but that 300w power supply still seems pretty low. especially considering it's not an antec or enermax or other HQ manufacturer. I'm not positive this will fix the problem, but it's something that needs attention anyway. imho, you're just asking for trouble if you "eh, it's good enough" this.

I was kinda skeptic on the power supply i chose too, I was told though that i wouldn't need anything bigger than what i got because it wouldn't be necessary. The problem above is the first "Serious" problem that has occured and i been running this system for about a month or alittle longer.

If it comes down to switching power supply's i will, When i was choosing what i wanted to build this computer i was gonna go with a 400 watt power supply or even higher..But was told the higher i go, The more heat i'm gonna get. Heh..If i need to change it, Not a big deal.

That was messed up..I always leave my computer running, But last night i shut it off. Wake up today, Turn it on and it's fine now.

Amnesia620 · 03-05-2005, 10:17 AM

The next post, also from me, is one completely on-topic and helpful. You can ignore this post, if you so choose.

As a precaution, I would keep an eye on your system. This may have been a fluke...or maybe a warning. A former co-worker's computer did something similar to this, mystery not 100% solved, but we did think about it, as addressed below.

(O/T. Partially off- topic, forgive me.)

Computers that think for themselves...

After repairing his OS (Windows XP), my friend found out that his memory slot had fried, due to a bad memory stick. For two years, only this slot, didn't recognize any memory; he avoided using it. Three months ago (approx.) he used his computers memory in a friends and then put it back into his computer, including a stick in the bad slot. Each memory stick and slot work 100% fine, like it never stopped.

My former roommate had a hard drive just die on him - totally wouldn't work - then, after a few days, he put it back into his case for and it worked great...hasn't faltered since.

Pretty weird how computers act sometimes.

Sorry about the O/T post but this seems to fall within one of those occurances.
Like I said, they could be warning signs for issues in the future, or nothing at all - just thought I would point it out.

Amnesia620 · 03-05-2005, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FloydianOne

Also you might want to look in your bios settings make sure nothing is messed up in there, because you can mess with voltages (for pinless overclocking) in there.

True.
I doubt that you plugging in your keyboard had anything to do with this unless it is a Ps/2 AND you plugged it in while your computer was running. This could have caused this ... However, by the specs of your computer, you shouldn't be having this problem. Be sure to get into your BIOS and make sure all is well there. Hope you don't have any more problems.

IC3 · 03-05-2005, 10:40 AM

A PS/2 plug is the round one right Amnesia? Whoops..I did plug it in while the computer was on.

Ya..I aint the sharpest knife in the drawer, But i never thought a keyboard would do somethin like that.

As far as the bios goes, I don't know what i'm looking for..so something could be way out of wack and i would just look past it.

But like i said above, I shut my computer off last night and woke up this morning and all was fine. It kinda still bugs me though.

This is how it looks now..

Amnesia620 · 03-05-2005, 10:54 AM

Yeah, by shutting it down you probably reset whatever error.

You're able to get into your BIOS when you are booting up - you hit whatever F-Key (it should say) to get into your BIOS. If you don't know anything about it, have a friend who knows show you, don't bother on your own. If you get into your BIOS, if you don't know what to do then just leave everything as it is. Otherwise, changing the wrong thing, or disabling something, youu could render your computer useless.

Um, for future reference, make SURE you do NOT plug in anything into your computer - Except for USB, this one is okay. If something should come Unplugged you should properly shut down your computer and plug it in while the computer is off, then turn on your computer.

With USB, you can plug/unplug it while it's on or off. It's fine.

I hope you don't have any more problems, but I'm happy to help if you do. Take care.

IC3 · 03-05-2005, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnesia620

Yeah, by shutting it down you probably reset whatever error.

You're able to get into your BIOS when you are booting up - you hit whatever F-Key (it should say) to get into your BIOS. If you don't know anything about it, have a friend who knows show you, don't bother on your own. If you get into your BIOS, if you don't know what to do then just leave everything as it is. Otherwise, changing the wrong thing, or disabling something, youu could render your computer useless.

Um, for future reference, make SURE you do NOT plug in anything into your computer - Except for USB, this one is okay. If something should come Unplugged you should properly shut down your computer and plug it in while the computer is off, then turn on your computer.

With USB, you can plug/unplug it while it's on or off. It's fine.

I hope you don't have any more problems, but I'm happy to help if you do. Take care.

Thanks Guys & Gal

I'm not sure if me shutting it down reset it though..Actually i would say it did..But, Last night when i noticed this problem..One of the posters above said to try shutting down and unplugging the power supply making the light on the motherboard go out, Then plug it back in and boot the computer. I did that and it didn't do anything.

So i guess my stupid ass plugging my other keyboard in while the computer was on sent a little surge or something, If that was the case..Then i'm not as worried, Cause it seems to have fixed itself.

Dilbert1234567 · 03-05-2005, 01:56 PM

PS2 is not hot swappable, normaly you wont hurt anything, but you can fry boards by plugging in a keyboard while the system is on. hopefuly you did not damage anything.

FloydianOne · 03-05-2005, 03:09 PM

Oh I didnt realize you plugged it in while it was running. My old computer used to do this also, whenever id try plugging something in while the computer was running my computer would usually just shut down. So perhaps all is fine, although yours froze and has that error... so just to be safe I would definatley keep an eye on it, note any performance issues you encounter and then if you still have them Id definatley try getting a 400W power supply. However Im thinking that it was just you plugging in your keyboard while the computer was running because ive heard of this before.

Amnesia620 · 03-05-2005, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IC3

Thanks Guys & Gal

I'm not sure if me shutting it down reset it though....One of the posters above said to try shutting down and unplugging the power supply making the light on the motherboard go out, Then plug it back in and boot the computer. I did that and it didn't do anything.

Perhaps you didn't wait long enough. When you restart, you should shut down - wait 2-3 minutes, then start, this helps to kill all power to every part of the system.

IC3 · 03-05-2005, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnesia620

Perhaps you didn't wait long enough. When you restart, you should shut down - wait 2-3 minutes, then start, this helps to kill all power to every part of the system.

Ohh..Ok

Ya i just pulled it out watched the light go off and stuck it back in

doubleaught · 03-06-2005, 01:24 AM

along the lines of totally killing power... in my experience, sometimes you have to turn the switch off (if it has one) and pull the power plug. wait a few minutes (up to 30 if you want to be super anal, 2-3 should do it though) and plug it back in. a step beyond this is pulling the cmos battery - not that it will hurt anything but I wouldn't pull it unless you have to.

Also, don't just buy any ole' 400w power supply... buy a quality one. I trust a 350w antec truepower more than I'd trust a generic 550w. yes, seriously.

I have this running a (carefully) OC'd machine, a couple hard drives, a couple burners, four usb ports, etc etc and the rails are rock solid. not that I'm really stressing it though:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...103-908&DEPA=0

though I think you'd be perfectly fine with this:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-913&depa=0

wolf · 03-06-2005, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doubleaught

looks like you're just running the basics... but that 300w power supply still seems pretty low. especially considering it's not an antec or enermax or other HQ manufacturer. I'm not positive this will fix the problem, but it's something that needs attention anyway. imho, you're just asking for trouble if you "eh, it's good enough" this.

recommended reading...
http://www.firingsquad.com/guides/po...ly/default.asp

I was thinking the same thing. The 300 W PS seems a little low.

cyrnel · 03-06-2005, 09:36 AM

Fight the problem. Don't create others.

For whatever reason Intel active monitor failed to correctly identify your processor's target core voltage. The first pictures show it was confused about the target, yet correctly reported the actual operating voltage, which was fine. This is why it posted the errors. It was wrong. The second picture correctly shows the target core voltage and the same operating voltage as the first post. Nothing changed other than the behavior of your monitoring software.

From here it looks like a temporary software problem. Active monitor was referencing the wrong value for your processor. (Any chance you were logged in as a different user?) If you see the error report again then it's time to look for something in common and troubleshoot. What was the last thing you did before it happened? What cleared it?

P4 Prescott cores run between 1.25 and 1.55V. Northwood 1.525-1.6V. A 3.1V core Pentium would be very old.

IC3 · 03-06-2005, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyrnel

Fight the problem. Don't create others.

For whatever reason Intel active monitor failed to correctly identify your processor's target core voltage. The first pictures show it was confused about the target, yet correctly reported the actual operating voltage, which was fine. This is why it posted the errors. It was wrong. The second picture correctly shows the target core voltage and the same operating voltage as the first post. Nothing changed other than the behavior of your monitoring software.

From here it looks like a temporary software problem. Active monitor was referencing the wrong value for your processor. (Any chance you were logged in as a different user?) If you see the error report again then it's time to look for something in common and troubleshoot. What was the last thing you did before it happened? What cleared it?

P4 Prescott cores run between 1.25 and 1.55V. Northwood 1.525-1.6V. A 3.1V core Pentium would be very old.

I didn't do anything to fix the problem, I shut my computer off when i went to bed, Woke up in the morning, Turned it on and it was fine.

cyrnel · 03-06-2005, 01:20 PM

So you likely ran into a bug, either in the BIOS or active monitor. The problem wasn't with the value, it was the gauge. I wouldn't worry at all unless it recurs and persists across reboot. Then I'd:
1) safe boot & try again.
2) run other monitor software. If they agree then the BIOS is mis-reporting CPU ID. (check for BIOS update?) If other monitor software reports target differently then active monitor is baked.

03-05-2005, 12:05 AM	#1 (permalink)
IC3 Poison Location: Canada	How serious is this? Take a look at these 2 pics, All i did was plugged in my old keyboard and the system froze..I shut it down started it back up and it seemed fine. Then i checked my Intel active monitor and..Well, The pictures will tell you. I don't get it..Nothing is overheating..Everything seems to be running fine..All my fans are going. So why the hell would i be getting this message if everything is good. I'm not sure if you need info..But XP Pro, Pent 4 3.0ghz I don't have the keyboard i plugged in in anymore, I put my other one back in. It's not even the keyboard that caused this..It's 3am and the second picture's time is before midnight in the options box. __________________ "To win any battle, you must fight as if you were already dead" -Musashi Last edited by IC3; 03-05-2005 at 12:10 AM..

03-05-2005, 12:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
FloydianOne Crazy	What type of power supply do you have (in watts)? And what type of hardware do you have in it? Video card etc. Also have you run this software before this happened, the reason is you can run old software that was written before your cpu came out and it wouldnt recognize the voltage and might give an unfounded error. Last edited by FloydianOne; 03-05-2005 at 12:15 AM..

03-05-2005, 12:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
IC3 Poison Location: Canada	Intel Pentium 4 3.0GHz / 1MB Cache / 800MHz FSB / Socket 478 / HyperThreading / Processor Maxtor / 200GB / 7200 / 8MB / ATA-133 / IDE / Hard Drive Coolmax 18" IDE Round Cable Translucent Purple Powmax / LP6100C / 300-Watt / ATX / Dual 80mm power supply Ultra 512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz Memory CL3 CTG 6in 5.25 Internal Power Y-Cable Intel D865PERLX Intel Socket 478 ATX Motherboard / AGP 8X/4X/1X / Audio / 10/100Mbps LAN / Serial ATA Hiro 32 Bit 10/100/1000 Mbps Gigabit Ethernet Aerocool X-Raider / All Socket A/478 Processors / Sleeve Bearing/Aluminum Fins/Blue LED / CPU Cooling Fan Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live 24-Bit PCI Sound Card Asus GeForce FX 5200 / 128MB DDR / AGP 8X / VGA / DVI / TV Out / Video Card Samsung / 16x4x16x DVD+RW / 12x4x16x DVD-RW / 40x32x48x CD-RW / Internal Black DVD Burner __________________ "To win any battle, you must fight as if you were already dead" -Musashi

03-05-2005, 12:25 AM	#6 (permalink)
IC3 Poison Location: Canada	Ya i'm gonna take it to a computer shop tommorrow and have a guy i know look at it. I just don't get what made the voltage jump like that..And i'm almost positive that your right about the voltage being 1.55 If i pushed the reset button..You think that would fix it? __________________ "To win any battle, you must fight as if you were already dead" -Musashi

03-05-2005, 12:32 AM	#8 (permalink)
IC3 Poison Location: Canada	I will try unplugging the power supply, But i meant reseting the whole system. I got a reset switch below my power switch. EDIT: I unplugged the power supply..Didn't fix it. I don't know..I would check my bios..But i'm not sure what the default setting is suppose to be if it has changed. Maybe it's just me..But it seems faster now, I been opening pages in my favourites and they seem to open quicker than before I think it's just me though, I don't think my computer just decided to overclock itself. __________________ "To win any battle, you must fight as if you were already dead" -Musashi Last edited by IC3; 03-05-2005 at 12:51 AM..

03-05-2005, 12:22 AM	#5 (permalink)
FloydianOne Crazy	Im pretty sure the p4 3.0ghz CPU core is supposed to be 1.55V... I dont know much about how this will affect your system, however overclockers usually raise their core voltage so i can only assume this might slow down your computer a bit and you will probably notice performance issues. You might want to get your power supply checked out... perhaps try another one and see if your problem is fixed. edit: you can read an article about voltages here... http://www.cpuplanet.com/features/article.php/1690721

03-05-2005, 12:31 AM	#7 (permalink)
FloydianOne Crazy	The reset button on the power supply? I dont know it might... i might try un plugging it from the wall letting the power led on your motherboard go out then plugging it back in. That seems to fix problems for me.... Also you might want to look in your bios settings make sure nothing is messed up in there, because you can mess with voltages (for pinless overclocking) in there.

03-05-2005, 02:31 AM	#9 (permalink)
doubleaught Psycho Location: OMFG BRB	looks like you're just running the basics... but that 300w power supply still seems pretty low. especially considering it's not an antec or enermax or other HQ manufacturer. I'm not positive this will fix the problem, but it's something that needs attention anyway. imho, you're just asking for trouble if you "eh, it's good enough" this. recommended reading... http://www.firingsquad.com/guides/po...ly/default.asp

03-05-2005, 10:17 AM	#11 (permalink)
Amnesia620 Forget me not... Location: See that dot on the map? I don't live there.	The next post, also from me, is one completely on-topic and helpful. You can ignore this post, if you so choose. As a precaution, I would keep an eye on your system. This may have been a fluke...or maybe a warning. A former co-worker's computer did something similar to this, mystery not 100% solved, but we did think about it, as addressed below. (O/T. Partially off- topic, forgive me.) Computers that think for themselves... After repairing his OS (Windows XP), my friend found out that his memory slot had fried, due to a bad memory stick. For two years, only this slot, didn't recognize any memory; he avoided using it. Three months ago (approx.) he used his computers memory in a friends and then put it back into his computer, including a stick in the bad slot. Each memory stick and slot work 100% fine, like it never stopped. My former roommate had a hard drive just die on him - totally wouldn't work - then, after a few days, he put it back into his case for and it worked great...hasn't faltered since. Pretty weird how computers act sometimes. Sorry about the O/T post but this seems to fall within one of those occurances. Like I said, they could be warning signs for issues in the future, or nothing at all - just thought I would point it out. __________________ For example, I find that a lot of college girls are barbie doll carbon copies with few differences...Sadly, they're dumb, ditzy, immature, snotty, fake, or they are the gravitational center to orbiting drama. - Amnesia620 Last edited by Amnesia620; 03-05-2005 at 10:35 AM..

03-05-2005, 10:40 AM	#13 (permalink)
IC3 Poison Location: Canada	A PS/2 plug is the round one right Amnesia? Whoops..I did plug it in while the computer was on. Ya..I aint the sharpest knife in the drawer, But i never thought a keyboard would do somethin like that. As far as the bios goes, I don't know what i'm looking for..so something could be way out of wack and i would just look past it. But like i said above, I shut my computer off last night and woke up this morning and all was fine. It kinda still bugs me though. This is how it looks now.. __________________ "To win any battle, you must fight as if you were already dead" -Musashi Last edited by IC3; 03-05-2005 at 10:45 AM..

03-05-2005, 10:54 AM	#14 (permalink)
Amnesia620 Forget me not... Location: See that dot on the map? I don't live there.	Yeah, by shutting it down you probably reset whatever error. You're able to get into your BIOS when you are booting up - you hit whatever F-Key (it should say) to get into your BIOS. If you don't know anything about it, have a friend who knows show you, don't bother on your own. If you get into your BIOS, if you don't know what to do then just leave everything as it is. Otherwise, changing the wrong thing, or disabling something, youu could render your computer useless. Um, for future reference, make SURE you do NOT plug in anything into your computer - Except for USB, this one is okay. If something should come Unplugged you should properly shut down your computer and plug it in while the computer is off, then turn on your computer. With USB, you can plug/unplug it while it's on or off. It's fine. I hope you don't have any more problems, but I'm happy to help if you do. Take care. __________________ For example, I find that a lot of college girls are barbie doll carbon copies with few differences...Sadly, they're dumb, ditzy, immature, snotty, fake, or they are the gravitational center to orbiting drama. - Amnesia620 Last edited by Amnesia620; 03-05-2005 at 10:57 AM.. Reason: closing tags, sorry!

03-05-2005, 01:56 PM	#16 (permalink)
Dilbert1234567 Devils Cabana Boy Location: Central Coast CA	PS2 is not hot swappable, normaly you wont hurt anything, but you can fry boards by plugging in a keyboard while the system is on. hopefuly you did not damage anything. __________________ Donate Blood! "Love is not finding the perfect person, but learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." -Sam Keen

03-05-2005, 03:09 PM	#17 (permalink)
FloydianOne Crazy	Oh I didnt realize you plugged it in while it was running. My old computer used to do this also, whenever id try plugging something in while the computer was running my computer would usually just shut down. So perhaps all is fine, although yours froze and has that error... so just to be safe I would definatley keep an eye on it, note any performance issues you encounter and then if you still have them Id definatley try getting a 400W power supply. However Im thinking that it was just you plugging in your keyboard while the computer was running because ive heard of this before.

03-06-2005, 01:24 AM	#20 (permalink)
doubleaught Psycho Location: OMFG BRB	along the lines of totally killing power... in my experience, sometimes you have to turn the switch off (if it has one) and pull the power plug. wait a few minutes (up to 30 if you want to be super anal, 2-3 should do it though) and plug it back in. a step beyond this is pulling the cmos battery - not that it will hurt anything but I wouldn't pull it unless you have to. Also, don't just buy any ole' 400w power supply... buy a quality one. I trust a 350w antec truepower more than I'd trust a generic 550w. yes, seriously. I have this running a (carefully) OC'd machine, a couple hard drives, a couple burners, four usb ports, etc etc and the rails are rock solid. not that I'm really stressing it though: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...103-908&DEPA=0 though I think you'd be perfectly fine with this: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-913&depa=0

03-06-2005, 09:36 AM	#22 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	Fight the problem. Don't create others. For whatever reason Intel active monitor failed to correctly identify your processor's target core voltage. The first pictures show it was confused about the target, yet correctly reported the actual operating voltage, which was fine. This is why it posted the errors. It was wrong. The second picture correctly shows the target core voltage and the same operating voltage as the first post. Nothing changed other than the behavior of your monitoring software. From here it looks like a temporary software problem. Active monitor was referencing the wrong value for your processor. (Any chance you were logged in as a different user?) If you see the error report again then it's time to look for something in common and troubleshoot. What was the last thing you did before it happened? What cleared it? P4 Prescott cores run between 1.25 and 1.55V. Northwood 1.525-1.6V. A 3.1V core Pentium would be very old.

03-06-2005, 01:20 PM	#24 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	So you likely ran into a bug, either in the BIOS or active monitor. The problem wasn't with the value, it was the gauge. I wouldn't worry at all unless it recurs and persists across reboot. Then I'd: 1) safe boot & try again. 2) run other monitor software. If they agree then the BIOS is mis-reporting CPU ID. (check for BIOS update?) If other monitor software reports target differently then active monitor is baked.