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zenmaster10665 12-06-2004 12:21 PM

suprnova.org
 
Is anyone else having tons of problems accessing this site or is it just me?

I heard they were hit by a DDOS attack the other day, anyone knoe if it is still going on?

Locobot 12-06-2004 12:25 PM

I'm not sure if you're using Windows, but Microsoft decided to include in XP service pack 2 a lot of barriers to using a bit torrent client. Even if you have the firewall disabled for your client you still need to open the torrent manually, thanks Bill Gates.

1slOwCD8 12-06-2004 12:57 PM

Yea, im having problems too. Kinda an off and on kinda thing. I didnt work a couple of days ago, worked yesterday, and not working today so i dunno.

bendsley 12-06-2004 01:08 PM

Working fine. We are currently working on a new protocol to handle torrent files so the BT network doesn't rely nearly as heavily on the trackers as it does now.

From Slashdot:
Quote:

Exeem is a decentralized BitTorrent network that basically makes everyone a Tracker. Individuals will share Torrents, and seed shared files to the network. At this time, details and the full potential of this project are being kept very quiet. However it appears this P2P application will completely replace SuprNova.org; no more web mirrors, no more bottle necks and no more slow downs. Exeem will marry the best features of a decentralized network, the easy searchability of an indexing server and the swarming powers of the BitTorrent network into one program. Currently, the network is in beta testing and already has 5,000 users (the beta testing is closed.) Once this program goes public, its potential is enormous.
I can't tell you anything about Exeem at the moment, as there is an NDA to abide by. It is however, ...... wow, is all I can say.

irateplatypus 12-06-2004 03:40 PM

i've been accessing it all day just fine. trying out the ol' bitcomet... i'm one of the last to switch from ABC.

sailor 12-06-2004 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bendsley
Working fine. They are currently working on a new protocol to handle torrent files so the BT network doesn't rely nearly as heavily on the trackers as it does now.

From Slashdot:


I can't tell you anything about Exeem at the moment, as there is an NDA to abide by. It is however, ...... wow, is all I can say.

Agreed--things look pretty cool. My question is why it took someone so long to do this. When I first heard of bit-torrent I wondered why the trackers werent also decentralized... Why did it take so long to do this?

Slavakion 12-06-2004 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locobot
I'm not sure if you're using Windows, but Microsoft decided to include in XP service pack 2 a lot of barriers to using a bit torrent client. Even if you have the firewall disabled for your client you still need to open the torrent manually, thanks Bill Gates.

HAHA... I knew I skipped SP2 for a good reason.

shadowalker 12-06-2004 07:05 PM

I'm using xp sp2 and i have no problems with any torrent that i have, I dont have to open them manually. Dont know where ya got your info on that. But I would love a link to your resource on it.

fckm 12-06-2004 07:43 PM

SP2 doesn't effect bit torrent at all. SP2 put a limit on the number of half open ports that can be open at any one time. So at the start of a TCP handshake if the other guy doesn't reply to you, that's a half open port. SP2 limits this to about 10 or something. It shouldn't actually effect any legitimate incomming/outgoing connections.

guthmund 12-06-2004 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locobot
I'm not sure if you're using Windows, but Microsoft decided to include in XP service pack 2 a lot of barriers to using a bit torrent client. Even if you have the firewall disabled for your client you still need to open the torrent manually, thanks Bill Gates.

I've never had to open a torrent manually. Now there are some sites, for instance, empornium, that always asks what to do with the torrent file (run/save), but I don't open them manually.

As a matter of fact when I download something from suprnova, it simply asks me where to save it and it's off.

Back on subject....

I've had no problem getting on the site. I noticed it was down for about a day, but now that it's back up, it seems to be running great.

I've noticed better speeds after I fixed the "10 connections" crap that SP2 "fixed" for me. It was an inconvenience, but it's easily fixed.

In fact, I think there's a thread here that deals with it for those interested...

I'm a big fan of BT; so, I'm especially excited to hear about the new improved "BT." Thanks for the info, bendsley. I hope it doesn't qualify as violating the NDA.... :|

zenmaster10665 12-07-2004 06:37 AM

Thanks, it all seems better today....

Has anyone found a better BT client than Azureus? I love that thing.

I jsut wish mt torrentbits username hadnt been deactivated...I cant get back in!!

mikec 12-07-2004 07:22 AM

I personally like BitSpirit.

and long live TB!!!!!! sorry your name got deactivated.........I guess they weren't that important to you :p

bal8664 12-07-2004 08:32 AM

I use TorrentStorm, not sure how it compare to azerus, but its a ton better than standard bittorrent. It lets you do some neat things like choose exactly which files inside the torrent to download.

Locobot 12-07-2004 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowalker
I'm using xp sp2 and i have no problems with any torrent that i have, I dont have to open them manually. Dont know where ya got your info on that. But I would love a link to your resource on it.

My resource is the best kind, personal experience!

shadowalker 12-07-2004 10:20 AM

than sorry locobot nothing personial, but i cannot accept that. Currently i'm dl'ing 8 diffrent files, each one is comming in at avg of 200KB/s. BT till I die its the only way to download.

bendsley 12-07-2004 11:16 AM

Quote:

Has anyone found a better BT client than Azureus? I love that thing.
No, stick with it.

Redlemon 12-07-2004 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sailor
Agreed--things look pretty cool. My question is why it took someone so long to do this. When I first heard of bit-torrent I wondered why the trackers werent also decentralized... Why did it take so long to do this?

Because BitTorrent was designed for legitimate downloads.

Locobot 12-07-2004 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowalker
than sorry locobot nothing personial, but i cannot accept that. Currently i'm dl'ing 8 diffrent files, each one is comming in at avg of 200KB/s. BT till I die its the only way to download.


wow, I'd love to know your system specs, bt client and config., and connection. That's an amazing amount of bandwidth. I've never gotten anything approaching those kinds of numbers.

I never said that sp2 made bit torrents impossible, simply that it made them more difficult.

shadowalker 12-07-2004 01:14 PM

amd althon 64, 1 gig in dual channel, azureus, comcast enhanced service 5.0 Mbps ownstream, 512 upstream.

thriolith 12-07-2004 02:06 PM

Suprnova has been only semi working for a while now... Check out TorrentSpy.com, use it just as much as Suprnova now. I say stick with Azureus.

zenmaster10665 12-08-2004 06:10 AM

torrentspy is damn good....thanks a ton for that!

sashime76 12-08-2004 07:09 AM

I use XP+ SP2 and Firefox, manually save torrent links before opening. No problems thus far, knock on wood. A co-worker lost over 130 GB of stuff while leaving torrent connections open....luckily he recovered it all.

zenmaster10665 12-08-2004 08:08 AM

Quote:

A co-worker lost over 130 GB of stuff while leaving torrent connections open....luckily he recovered it all.
Really? How??

shadowalker 12-08-2004 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenmaster10665
Really? How??

would like to know also. I have left Bt clients open for a week and only boosted my shair ratio, never "lost any thing" off my system by doing so.

jonjon42 12-08-2004 03:07 PM

umm....no way the torrent did that...after it is downloaded it will upload as a seeder for a while...it shouldn't do anything but read the data it just wrote, It should not delete anything.

Now for this Exeem thing. It sounds interesting but it's going to put BitTorrent in a tight spot. The legal uses for it are already overshadowed by the warez uses of it. Exeem sounds like it will do nothing but promote the warez uses so it makes me a bit uneasy in case things like the INDUCE act come to pass...(was going to say something about licencing but it's MIT license so you guys are free to do whatever crap you want with it) you guys better at least release a linux/BSD binary (source may be too much to ask) or else you will be attacked by many rabid penguins and evil devils!

nothingx 12-08-2004 04:47 PM

I'm not sure if I should be sharing this with you guys, since it's one of my best kept secrets... but http://www.torrentspy.com is far superior to suprnova.org. Try to keep it on the down low. Heh... ;)

KnifeMissile 12-08-2004 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nothingx
I'm not sure if I should be sharing this with you guys, since it's one of my best kept secrets... but http://www.torrentspy.com is far superior to suprnova.org. Try to keep it on the down low. Heh... ;)

You know, torrents aren't like web sites or FTP servers. The more people on the torrent network, the faster your download will be, so you actually want as many people as possible to know about it!

maestro 12-10-2004 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnifeMissile
You know, torrents aren't like web sites or FTP servers. The more people on the torrent network, the faster your download will be, so you actually want as many people as possible to know about it!

But also at the same time you don't want so many ppl that one of those MPAA or RIAA officials start monitoring BitTorrent downloads on a constant basis...

devnull 12-10-2004 06:58 AM

They already are monitoring the major BT networks. BitTorrent accounts for the majority of the Internet traffic these days, and the RIAA and MPAA are very very VERY aware of it and the problems they say it causing their respective industry.

KnifeMissile 12-10-2004 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devnull
They already are monitoring the major BT networks. BitTorrent accounts for the majority of the Internet traffic these days, and the RIAA and MPAA are very very VERY aware of it and the problems they say it causing their respective industry.

Really? I haven't heard any press about it. If you have, please point them out to me! I'd love to hear some news about my favourite file distribution protocol (a favourite long before it was used for mass copyright infringement!)...

rapjo 12-12-2004 09:14 PM

I really like BitTornado on my PC and the standard BitTorrent client on the Mac.

I gave Azereus a try once or twice and didn't like it that much, maybe I'll try it again some day.

bendsley 12-13-2004 06:55 AM

I used bittornado forever until I tried Azureus. Never looked back.

shadowalker 12-13-2004 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnifeMissile
Really? I haven't heard any press about it. If you have, please point them out to me! I'd love to hear some news about my favourite file distribution protocol (a favourite long before it was used for mass copyright infringement!)...

same here knifemissile, I remember not to long ago that i was using bt to transfer cad files from work and the only person that had the torrent file were the people on the network at work. Trying to find a music file in BT transfer format took about 2 hours of searching the web to find it. There were no supernova's and loki's. (i know its spelled wrong)

1slOwCD8 12-19-2004 09:28 AM

Yup, suprnova really isnt working for me now. Maybe its because it closed down. Thats a bummer.

MovieNut 12-19-2004 11:29 AM

Dude! SuprNova.org has closed down. I don't believe it. Blasted **AA have gone too far, I tell you. TOO FAR. What's next? Boobies? Curses!

<b>The king is dead. Long live the king!</b>

nothingx 12-19-2004 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnifeMissile
You know, torrents aren't like web sites or FTP servers. The more people on the torrent network, the faster your download will be, so you actually want as many people as possible to know about it!

True, but, www.torrentspy.com is a website, and not a torrent, and thus subject to overloading by too many users.

punx1325 12-19-2004 11:19 PM

Will the RIAA ever get a life??? Don't they realize we don't care and will find anyway possible to undermind them? What a pain in the ass!

bendsley 12-20-2004 06:35 AM

torrentbits.org has been closed as well, but may be opened under another domain name. try http://www.cyphersworld.com/

Bit torrent websites are doomed. The trackers they offer make them nice, fat targets for the MPAA/RIAA and they're potential single pionts of failure due to hardware and/or bandwidth issues. Can P2P survive? Only if it evolves.

Some Background:
Here's a quick n' dirty BitTorrent operational description. The bittorrent file download and distribution concepts take some understanding. You'll find terms like "seeds" and "trackers" with lengthy descriptions but to simplify things, all you need to understand here is that a single seed file (complete file) is needed to start the process. Once enough users connect and start downloading the file, additional users can begin to get pieces of the file from eachother. Bits of the file that one user has already downloaded become available to other users. The tracker receives information from all downloaders and gives them random lists of peers (other downloaders) to draw from. In essence, you could download a complete file from other downloaders and never once get any data directly from the original seed file. This means that the original seed file source location never gets swamped. Even better, the more people downloading that file actually increases your download speed since you'll have more sources to draw from.

The problem:
All the info you need to have your bittorrent application connect to a tracker and start downloading is stored in a tiny text file with a ".torrent" extension. The problem is, where do you get these .torrent files? There are a few websites that have created elaborate systems to offer the .torrent files but to display how many seeds and users are currently connected to that "torrent". Today, one of the largest of these sites, suprnova.org receives so much traffic that it has become a bottleneck in the system. Even worse, the dependancy on a website to get torrents has become a single point of failure.

The Solution:
What's needed is a program that decentralizes the way we find and distribute torrent and tracker data. The idea is to remove the single point of failure by having each person running the application share torrent and tracker data with eachother in almost the same way file data from a torrent download is shared with all users.

Suprnova.org's vision of the future is called eXeem. It's an application that promises to change the face of p2p file distribution by encorporating bittorrent technology in a way that solves the problems listed above. The beta version of eXeem is running at version .15 and is only accessible to 5,000 beta testers. There is currently no date set for a public release.


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