When I said it took two hours to clean up after uninstalling, I had to delete files (some of which required a boot to safe mode, could be an O/S issue rather than Realplayer) and about 8 dozen registry keys.

Don't misquote me- I don't think that WinAMP is bad- I actually like it. My point is that WinAMP does many of the same things that you (all) rail on RealPlayer about and it shocks me that in WinAMP's case you don't care.

The performance specs you showed are a little lower that what I would expect from a media player, while the ones I saw on my computer were a lot higher. Hanabal's computer was using 12megs - go figure. Maybe the default install (that is the one I ran) turns on extra options that you have turned off??





RP goes through usage swings (as does WinAMP) and I'm sure I could screenshot taskman when it is at low point (like you did), but who cares? The numbers I quoted earlier were after usage stabilized, which are the ones you should be looking at too.

As for file extensions- WinAMP is the one that silenting taking them. Why don't you try installing RP10 and see for yourself? I already said that it doesn't take extensions without asking, but apparently you don't believe me.

This is interesting:
http://www.arstechnica.com/reviews/0...real/real.html

Both winamp and realplayer 10 are on my crashbox and I do not think highly of them at all.
>just my opinion<
- Bloated interfaces that force me to have a seekbar and buttons on display constantly wasting space when I have no use for them.
- Basically zero support in RP for many of the files on my systems which include Wavpack, FLAC, Ogg-Vorbis, Musepack, MP4/raw AAC, APE and then finally some older MP3s and RA files

The only program I can tolerate personally for any length of time is Foobar - recently upgraded to 0.8 for the superb diskwriter - with the original interface from the first release and the "STFU/Jump To Time" seekbar and all play controls, diskwriter, playlists control, etc. called via hotkeys.
>/just my opinion<

I'm no expert, but I don't think the ideal way to persuade the masses is to spew venomous insults at them. Again, I'm no expert.

I haven't made up my mind one way or the other. I've had my own "experiences" with RealPlayer, but maybe there's hope in the new one.

However, if lots of different people give the same excuses and examples of the pervasiveness and the horror that is RealPlayer then I'm likely to believe the masses over one man preaching the gospel about a company he works for.

Of course, then again my head is so far up my ass bullshit doesn't seem to bother me in my quest to be ignorant contentedly. ;)

Real Alternative ownz.

End of disscussion.

Did you read the whole thread? If you did and you still can't understand why I would get a little frustrated then I don't know what else to say. Yes, it makes me angry that everyone is so energetic in their trash talk on a topic that they know nothing about. How do I know they are full of shit? Because they are complaining about features that don't exist anymore (and in some cases haven't existed in 4 years), and because they praise other media players that are more agressive about filetype hijacking/resource utilization/icon litering/....

Look, I know that I'm not going to win these people over- even in the best of worlds everyone has their own preferencecs. I did, however, hope that I could dispell many of the myths that I see repeated over and over. My rant about the ignorant people was out of sheer frustration that nobody is interested in the truth.

goof7ball, the issue for many of us doesnt lie in Real's current performance. The issue is that Real (like you admit), used to suck, HARD. Bloatware, a bitch to even download, screwed up your system, and with almost no benefits. Things may be fixed now, but for me--and I suspect many other TFPers--that is irrelevant. They lost my trust, and there are plenty of alternatives out there. I dont want to completely kill on Real, but I know that I wont be voluntarily using their player for anything.

Of course I read the whole thread. I don't comment unless I do. :)

I understand the frustration, but the ideal way to win the "hearts and minds" of you audience isn't by insulting them, eh? The best that you can do is refute their objections with calm assurance and knowledgeable replies. Sometimes you may have to make your point more than once (I know, it's hard to believe, but some folks don't read the whole thread....)

All that being said, it's about perception. Some people have had a hard time with the product in the past and that skews their perception for the future. Not to mention that computer systems are as unique as fingerprints. Different types of components, all loaded with different drivers, all interacting with different software, and all on systems that have been modified and customized to the individual running the keyboard. You would be hard pressed to find one program that runs flawlessly on every system in the world.

There are some you will never convince; it would be folly to try. Otherwise, you claim to know your shit, start backing it up. Give 'em hard data, screenshots, links to information that supports the greatness that is RealPlayer.

Otherwise your just a guy with an opinion and everybody knows what they say about opinions and assholes....:)

"Look, I know that I'm not going to win these people over- even in the best of worlds everyone has their own preferencecs. I did, however, hope that I could dispell many of the myths that I see repeated over and over. My rant about the ignorant people was out of sheer frustration that nobody is interested in the truth."


someone (cant remember who, sorry) here on TFP has a signature quote that reads "When faced with the choice of changing one's mind or proving that there is no need to do so, most people immediately get busy working on the proof." (also cant remember who said it). I think this little bit of wisdom is particularly relevant to this discussion.