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scoobydugan · 12-17-2003, 10:38 PM

Hey guys...quick question.....is NetBeui (sp?) the best or only way to access an office computer from home? If so..does anyone have a quick tutorial?

Krycheck · 12-17-2003, 10:48 PM

Netbeui?
I forget what that is but I know it's not.
What OS is the work machine running?

I have a Win2k terminal server running at work and access it via Remote Desktop here at home. If you run XP at work you can set up to allow access but since I don't run it I couldn't tell you how. If you're on a network which im sure you're on you'll have to route the port that it uses to that machine that you want to access.
I wish I had more info but I'm at home and I'm tired...

I'll check what ports when I go to work tomorrow if no one answers by then.

Mephisto2 · 12-17-2003, 11:30 PM

It's neither the best, nor the only way.

What operating systems are the two computers using?

Mr Mephisto

DKAvenger · 12-18-2003, 12:14 AM

NetBeui is a real nice protocol if all of the machines are in the same general area because it is fast and takes little overhead. however netBeui is a NON-Routable protocol therefore it would not work to connect your home pc with the office.

daydream · 12-18-2003, 06:17 PM

Sorry for the different SN I'm at my gf's house. The work machine is windows 2000 and the home pc is XP.

j8ear · 12-18-2003, 07:40 PM

From XP to a windows 2000 server is simple...start and configure the terminal services server service on the target machine (w2kserver) and use the remote desktop application to connect to it from the XP workstation via IP address (or FQDN).

You must configure the user which will be TSing into to have permission to do so.

More then likely your work PC is firewalled and has a private NAT IP. If this is the case, you will first need to tunnel into your office network somehow....or have your company's firewall do some port address translation.

If your office PC has a public IP (i.e one that is not a 10.x.x.x or 192.168.x.x or 172.x.x.x) then it should be no problem. Although if this is the case your office has other problems to worry about.

Also more then likely your office PC is running w2k pro and not server. I'll have to research exactly what needs to be done. More then likely you will need to add the TS service to the w2k pro workstation before connectivity can be established. I have never actually done it though.

All of these (in fact any that I can think of) will use the TCP/IP protocol for the connection. Terminal Services runs on tcp/udp ports 3389.

Before you get to into figuring this out, make sure your work PC is publically addressable. If not clear the desired remote connectivity with your firewall guy.

I probably threw alot out there that might not make sense. Ask away and I or someone will be able to answer your questions.

We've definately got to know the specifics of the OS's in question.

-bear

scoobydugan · 12-18-2003, 07:52 PM

Okay....It's a small office...very small only 2 computers. both hooked up to a linksys wired router with optimum online broadband...Office pc is 2k pro and home is xp pro...hope that clears it up

j8ear · 12-18-2003, 08:01 PM

hmmm....w2kpro huh? I'll need to research, although by the time I get around to it...someone will have probably already answered how to add TS to a w2kpro.

Since you have two PCs in the office using one internet connection, my bet is that router is also providing some basic natting for the network, and is also capable of port address translation. You will need to configure the router to forward all port 3389 traffic destined for your WAN port (or public IP) to your workstation's private IP.

If you can access the router's config GUI you'll find it. It is one of the property sheets available through the GUI. It's been a while since I used a soho linksys router.

Let me sleep on it and I'll get back to you....if someone else hasn't already....

-bear

Krycheck · 12-21-2003, 10:05 PM

The only way is either XPpro or Win2k Advance Server from what I was told when I did it myself. I chose Win2k AS.
Also, since you have a Linksys you'd have to route port 3389 to that machines ip address.

Pragma · 12-22-2003, 07:09 PM

Win2k Server can do it - it's not just Advanced server. The only things that Avanced Server adds to Server is 8GB of RAM instead of 4GB, Network Load Balancing, and Clustering.

Might be a few other tiny things, but those are the big ones. Terminal Services is not one of them.

poof · 12-23-2003, 12:37 PM

<i>Mr Mephisto</i> answered the question early on.

No matter what OS or protocol is involved, if you have permission to access the site you would not be asking the question.

Contact your IT people and they will walk you through gaining access to a company computer.

edit: I work on a very secure system at work (.mil) and we are advised to look out for such requests. If you don't know how to do it, maybe you shouldn't be trying to do it.

Get back to work, nothing to see here.

j8ear · 12-23-2003, 04:11 PM

He did say his office was two PCs sharing a DSL with a SOHO router. I think we can give him the benefit of the security doubt. No matter what he'll need to access the router GUI. If that can't be done then, well, your right, get back to work ;-)

About term serving ~into~ a w2k pro OS. Someone should me how to do it by adding some services, and placing DLLs in the right spot, but I haven't been able to recreate. If your going to be needing to access your network from outside the office, you should certainly have a w2k server in the mix to provide authentication to machines and shares.

I think your first step is to get w2k server (or AS or 2003) up and running and take it from there. Term Servicing is relatively secure and straight forward, just need the right base.

-bear

12-17-2003, 10:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
scoobydugan Crazy	Networking Question Hey guys...quick question.....is NetBeui (sp?) the best or only way to access an office computer from home? If so..does anyone have a quick tutorial?

12-17-2003, 10:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
Krycheck Sultana ruined my evil persona Location: Los Angeles	Netbeui? I forget what that is but I know it's not. What OS is the work machine running? I have a Win2k terminal server running at work and access it via Remote Desktop here at home. If you run XP at work you can set up to allow access but since I don't run it I couldn't tell you how. If you're on a network which im sure you're on you'll have to route the port that it uses to that machine that you want to access. I wish I had more info but I'm at home and I'm tired... I'll check what ports when I go to work tomorrow if no one answers by then. __________________ His pants are tight...but his morals are loose!!

12-18-2003, 06:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
daydream Crazy Location: Long Island, NY	Sorry for the different SN I'm at my gf's house. The work machine is windows 2000 and the home pc is XP. __________________ "Can't help it if I space in a daze, my eyes tune out the other way... I may switch off and go in a daydream... in this head my thoughts are deep, Sometimes I can't even speak, would someone be and not pretend, I'm off again in my world"

12-18-2003, 07:40 PM	#6 (permalink)
j8ear Gentlemen Farmer Location: Middle of nowhere, Jersey	From XP to a windows 2000 server is simple...start and configure the terminal services server service on the target machine (w2kserver) and use the remote desktop application to connect to it from the XP workstation via IP address (or FQDN). You must configure the user which will be TSing into to have permission to do so. More then likely your work PC is firewalled and has a private NAT IP. If this is the case, you will first need to tunnel into your office network somehow....or have your company's firewall do some port address translation. If your office PC has a public IP (i.e one that is not a 10.x.x.x or 192.168.x.x or 172.x.x.x) then it should be no problem. Although if this is the case your office has other problems to worry about. Also more then likely your office PC is running w2k pro and not server. I'll have to research exactly what needs to be done. More then likely you will need to add the TS service to the w2k pro workstation before connectivity can be established. I have never actually done it though. All of these (in fact any that I can think of) will use the TCP/IP protocol for the connection. Terminal Services runs on tcp/udp ports 3389. Before you get to into figuring this out, make sure your work PC is publically addressable. If not clear the desired remote connectivity with your firewall guy. I probably threw alot out there that might not make sense. Ask away and I or someone will be able to answer your questions. We've definately got to know the specifics of the OS's in question. -bear __________________ It's alot easier to ask for forgiveness then it is to ask for permission.

12-18-2003, 08:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
j8ear Gentlemen Farmer Location: Middle of nowhere, Jersey	hmmm....w2kpro huh? I'll need to research, although by the time I get around to it...someone will have probably already answered how to add TS to a w2kpro. Since you have two PCs in the office using one internet connection, my bet is that router is also providing some basic natting for the network, and is also capable of port address translation. You will need to configure the router to forward all port 3389 traffic destined for your WAN port (or public IP) to your workstation's private IP. If you can access the router's config GUI you'll find it. It is one of the property sheets available through the GUI. It's been a while since I used a soho linksys router. Let me sleep on it and I'll get back to you....if someone else hasn't already.... -bear __________________ It's alot easier to ask for forgiveness then it is to ask for permission.

12-17-2003, 11:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	It's neither the best, nor the only way. What operating systems are the two computers using? Mr Mephisto

12-18-2003, 12:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
DKAvenger Upright	NetBeui is a real nice protocol if all of the machines are in the same general area because it is fast and takes little overhead. however netBeui is a NON-Routable protocol therefore it would not work to connect your home pc with the office.

12-18-2003, 07:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
scoobydugan Crazy	Okay....It's a small office...very small only 2 computers. both hooked up to a linksys wired router with optimum online broadband...Office pc is 2k pro and home is xp pro...hope that clears it up

12-21-2003, 10:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
Krycheck Sultana ruined my evil persona Location: Los Angeles	The only way is either XPpro or Win2k Advance Server from what I was told when I did it myself. I chose Win2k AS. Also, since you have a Linksys you'd have to route port 3389 to that machines ip address. __________________ His pants are tight...but his morals are loose!!

12-22-2003, 07:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
Pragma I am Winter Born Location: Alexandria, VA	Win2k Server can do it - it's not just Advanced server. The only things that Avanced Server adds to Server is 8GB of RAM instead of 4GB, Network Load Balancing, and Clustering. Might be a few other tiny things, but those are the big ones. Terminal Services is not one of them. __________________ Eat antimatter, Posleen-boy!

12-23-2003, 12:37 PM	#11 (permalink)
poof Psycho	<i>Mr Mephisto</i> answered the question early on. No matter what OS or protocol is involved, if you have permission to access the site you would not be asking the question. Contact your IT people and they will walk you through gaining access to a company computer. edit: I work on a very secure system at work (.mil) and we are advised to look out for such requests. If you don't know how to do it, maybe you shouldn't be trying to do it. Get back to work, nothing to see here. Last edited by poof; 12-23-2003 at 12:51 PM..

12-23-2003, 04:11 PM	#12 (permalink)
j8ear Gentlemen Farmer Location: Middle of nowhere, Jersey	He did say his office was two PCs sharing a DSL with a SOHO router. I think we can give him the benefit of the security doubt. No matter what he'll need to access the router GUI. If that can't be done then, well, your right, get back to work ;-) About term serving ~into~ a w2k pro OS. Someone should me how to do it by adding some services, and placing DLLs in the right spot, but I haven't been able to recreate. If your going to be needing to access your network from outside the office, you should certainly have a w2k server in the mix to provide authentication to machines and shares. I think your first step is to get w2k server (or AS or 2003) up and running and take it from there. Term Servicing is relatively secure and straight forward, just need the right base. -bear __________________ It's alot easier to ask for forgiveness then it is to ask for permission.