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Astrocloud 10-18-2003 09:59 PM

An Open Letter to The Gator Corp
 
Dear Gator,

Please stop trying to download your shitty spyware onto my computer. I don't need it and nobody does. Your company makes money by causing problems on the internet and your product should be illegal. Please release a list of your clients and your client's clients so I can boycott them all.

Yours truly,

Astrocloud.

The_Dude 10-18-2003 10:03 PM

yes, gator is an annoying piece of shit.

unfortunately, there is a shitload of other spyware out there.

tekaweni 10-19-2003 03:37 AM

Get Ad-Aware or something similar, and scan for this shit often. It's the only way to keep on top of it.

phukraut 10-19-2003 09:30 AM

according to this, they have quite a few clients:

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/...page6.html?bc=

santafe5000 10-19-2003 10:07 AM

I agree with you, Gator , please go away and DIE. The world does not need your Crap.

Sexodus 10-19-2003 03:02 PM

GATOR SUCKS ... yeah well anyways.

tekaweni thank you for the ad-ware i found it shortly after reading your post!

thanks.
Sx

Prophecy 10-19-2003 03:06 PM

I hate Gator with a passion, before I knew what Spy-ware was, I had about 30 different programs running on my old pc from Gator and other companies causing pop ups all the time..
.

Sexodus 10-19-2003 03:13 PM

ya i am pretty sure i only have gator.... but you never now LOL.

I havnt run any programs like adware before so we will see what happens. if you guys like i will post how many finding i get.

EDIT: I found 100 items LOL ii think i only had like 3 couse it looked like i had a shit load of Gator[s]

Astrocloud 10-19-2003 07:01 PM

Yeah I should definitely order Ad Aware -it's recomended by Spybot and it seems to be what everyone uses... It's a sad little world when we have to lock our doors because we're worried about the neighborhood businessmen stealing our stuff.

TrogDor 10-19-2003 07:05 PM

What kind of programs are you guys downloading made by gator? I've honestly never had a problem with it.

The_Dude 10-19-2003 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TrogDor
What kind of programs are you guys downloading made by gator? I've honestly never had a problem with it.
they dont make programs, but the programs have spyware attached to it that are made by gator.

Astrocloud 10-19-2003 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TrogDor
What kind of programs are you guys downloading made by gator? I've honestly never had a problem with it.
If you've downloaded gator or ever clicked "Yes" when you visit some site and gator asks to install; (for reference purposes we will call it a malicious website that tries to download gator) -then you can shave off a few precious milliseconds off every internet page you open... the extra time comes from Gator cheerfully recording the websites you go to.

The second malicious thing that it does -is that it attempts to remove your choices in which websites you surf for. It will do everything it can to pop open windows of it's pre-chosen crap advertising while you websurf. So say you do a websearch on "killing kittens" odds are that Gator will have popup ads offering you all sorts of online pet stores. It just is a fucking annoying waste of time.

So if you have it installed I would remove it pronto. It doesn't do anything good except sell you to someone via the Gator Corp.

arch13 10-19-2003 08:53 PM

The sad part is, there are ten companies waiting in the wings with more spyware eyeing gators market share.

TrogDor 10-19-2003 09:15 PM

Oh, I think you miss understood me. I've never had a problem with gator stuff being on my computer. Of course I know it will fuck all my stuff up and record everything I do ;)

bundy 10-19-2003 11:23 PM

if i can be crude for just a moment...


Dear Gator,

FUCK OFF

signed,
everyone on Earth!


there, thats out of the way.
thanks Astro, i needed that.
thank goodness for Spybot and Adaware.

Boner 10-20-2003 11:40 AM

Go get SpywareBlaster

http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html

I honestly haven't seen a Gator popup in about a year.

It preloads the GUIDs for the pieces of crap so that IE will automatically decline them.

poof 10-20-2003 08:17 PM

Gator is easily avoided if you purchase some protection. Get a firewall, hard or software.

"It is better to protect your computer than to curse the dickheads on the interweb."

Willy 10-20-2003 08:22 PM

DOWN WITH GATOR!

http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/

JimmyTheHutt 10-20-2003 08:42 PM

I hate Gator. Not for myself, as I have never been tagged by the POS, but for my users (stupidest users on earth) who download it, install it, then call me to complain that their shit is fucked up. My life would be so much easier if someone would pull a Hiroshima on them.

And Internet Accelerator.

And CommonName.

and the list goes on....

Veritas en Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

Astrocloud 10-20-2003 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JimmyTheHutt
I hate Gator. Not for myself, as I have never been tagged by the POS, but for my users
I've cleaned gator off of two friends computers... One of them should've known better.

liquid_dreams 10-21-2003 11:45 PM

gator you should die, but there is worse shit out there man if your usin a spybot detection/removal thing y you should know what i'm talkin bout off the top of my head i rember that "sex tracker" is much worse and "hot bar"is just a pain in the ass to get off your comp.... can we kill them all?

Mr.Deflok 10-21-2003 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bundy
if i can be crude for just a moment...


Dear Gator,

FUCK OFF

signed,
everyone on Earth!


there, thats out of the way.
thanks Astro, i needed that.
thank goodness for Spybot and Adaware.

Damn it, I was gonna say the exact same thing! Damn you thought-thief! ;)

supafly 10-24-2003 05:16 AM

I get a craving for a Gator-steak. FUCK GATOR!!! Can't imagine that anyone would work for such a company.

happyraul 10-24-2003 05:40 AM

I understand that Gator sucks, but what I don't understand is how everyone gets it. I mean I've never had a popup ad unless I happen to go to a site that has popups with IE. I don't get how gator gets on your computer, I mean obviously you downloaded and installed it right?

Fly 10-24-2003 07:22 AM

hey..............mr.motherfucker gator fuck

GO TO HELL...........

meff 10-24-2003 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Dude
yes, gator is an annoying piece of shit.

unfortunately, there is a shitload of other spyware out there.

OOH YOU SAID 'SPYWARE' !!
You're gonna get sued now, it's *ADWARE" ;)

meff 10-24-2003 08:25 AM

Kinda scary 'their' lead application, eWallet, stores most of your financial information for you... and probably for Gator to take a peek at..

Or, for $30 you can buy eWallet without spy.. ahem.. adware :lol:

Astrocloud 10-25-2003 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by meff
OOH YOU SAID 'SPYWARE' !!
You're gonna get sued now, it's *ADWARE" ;)

I see what you mean:

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5095051.html

Quote:

See you later, anti-Gators?

By Paul Festa
CNET News.com
October 22, 2003, 12:21 PM PT



In an effort to improve its corporate reputation, adware company Gator has launched a legal offensive to divorce its name from the hated term "spyware"--and so far its strategy is paying off.
In response to a libel lawsuit, an antispyware company has settled with Gator and pulled Web pages critical of the company, its practices and its software. And other spyware foes are getting the message.

"There is this feeling out there that they won the lawsuit, and people are starting to get scared," said one employee of a spyware-removal company, who asked not to be named. "We haven't been sued, but we've heard that other companies are being sued for saying this and that, so we've changed our language" on the company Web site.


Gator often distributes its application by bundling it with popular free software like Kazaa and other peer-to-peer programs. When downloaded, Gator's application serves pop-up and pop-under ads to people while they're surfing the Web or when they visit specific sites. Ads can be keyed to sites so that a pitch for low mortgage rates, say, can appear when a surfer visits a rival financial company's site.

The distinction between such "adware," which can report back to its creator with information about the computer user's surfing habits, so as to allow for supposedly more effective ad serving, and "spyware," which similarly monitors surfing habits and serves up ads, is sometimes a hazy one, and lies at the heart of Gator's libel suit.

Gator maintains that its software differs from spyware in that people are clearly notified before they download it, and in that they do so in exchange for a service, like the peer-to-peer software. Spyware, the company maintains, is surreptitiously installed and gives the unwitting computer user no benefit.

But critics of adware companies question how clearly such downloads are marked--PC users may suddenly be deluged with pop-ups and have no idea where they're coming from--and protest that companies like Gator are collecting information without sufficiently accounting for what they do with it.

The defendant in the Gator libel suit, PC Pitstop, offers software to cleanse computers of spyware and other undesirable code, and until signing a preliminary settlement with Gator on Sept. 30, vociferously targeted Gator's application.

In settling the suit, which alleged false advertising, unfair business practices, trade libel, defamation and tortious interference, PC Pitstop apparently removed several pages from its Web site that referred to Gator's application as spyware--along with many that went beyond that to urge action against Gator itself.

Executives for both companies declined to discuss settlement terms, citing a confidentiality agreement. But Gator advised a reporter to "go to their new site and draw your own conclusions" about what PC Pitstop did to comply with the settlement.

PC Pitstop used to publish pages on its Spyware Information Center titled "Is Gator Spyware?" the "Gator Boycott List," and the "Gator Quiz." Those pages are now gone. But as of Tuesday, they could still be found in the Google cache, which keeps copies of missing or unavailable Web pages for a limited time. (By Wednesday the cache of those pages had expired.)

"PC Pitstop believes that Gator products degrade the quality of a user's PC experience," read the cached PC Pitstop page urging a boycott of companies advertising through Gator. "This belief is based on our hands-on use of Gator products and experience with hundreds of systems in our forums....Although Gator Corporation likes to make a distinction and call their products 'adware,' other sources make no such distinction. Independent research has shown that they collect extensive information and have not clearly explained how the information is used once it reaches the Gator servers."

A Gator executive said the suit, filed in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, was part of a larger strategy to educate spyware-removers about the company's software--and to put an end to the practice of calling it "spyware."

"If we find anyone publicly calling us spyware, we correct it and take action if necessary," said Scott Eagle, Gator's senior vice president of marketing.

In addition to going on the offensive against detractors, Gator has spent significant time in court defending its practices against the charges of companies that run Web sites that Gator has targeted with its ads.

Gator in February settled litigation brought against it by the New York Post, The New York Times, Dow Jones and other media companies. The Washington Post, L.L. Bean and Extended Stay America have sued the company, and their consolidated lawsuit will be decided by the Judicial Panel on Multidistrict Litigation in Washington, D.C.

Meanwhile, the courts have smiled on a company that operates a similar ad network. Last month, WhenU survived a legal challenge brought against it by moving company U-Haul after WhenU served ads for U-Haul's competitors on top of U-Haul Web pages.

Eagle declined to comment on other specific spyware-busters, such as the New York City-based Enigma Software Group or InterMute, in Braintree, Mass. Those companies have advertised that they can rid computers of Gator--but their Web sites no longer mention the software. Eagle said he could not talk about ongoing actions.

Enigma Software Group could not be reached for comment. InterMute, which previously has spoken openly against Gator, declined to comment.

"Companies like Gator are the Goliath that average computer users are up against in the war for online privacy," Ed English, CEO of InterMute, said last month in an interview with CNET News.com.

Gator said it would take on its critics on a case-by-case basis.

"There are going to be detractor sites," Eagle said. "What we can do is focus on education and getting the word out there. We have discussions on this topic whenever we need to."

For its part, PC Pitstop said that, whatever the terms of its settlement, it continued to target Gator's software on people's computers.

"PC Pitstop detects a variety of situations that we would consider problems, including certain software that we didn't think was in the best interest of the end user," said Dave Methvin, chief technology officer for the Web-based start-up. "We currently detect and recommend removal of Gator."

CNET News.com's Stefanie Olsen contributed to this report

Come now gator, Shit by any other name still smells like shit.

TrogDor 10-25-2003 03:51 PM

Do they honestly think that by doing shit like this, the people who have already had to deal with gator are gonna go "oh!! they dont call them spyware anymore! they must be good now!!"?

dj_simo 10-26-2003 01:41 PM

We all do shit illegal anyway - *cough* KaZaA *cough* - so I dont think a letter is gunna affect the people who HATE GATOR - Its a load of shit - It killed my schools mainframe and they had no idea that is was gator. I agree - Gator is bad Adware or Spyware - it is still shit
my 2 cents
-SImo

b1naryb0r1s 10-27-2003 11:54 AM

Gator and all the other programs that pop and say, please click ok for us to spy on every little thing you do. Pop-ups should be illegal. err.

punx1325 10-27-2003 12:11 PM

I downloaded Ad-aware (download.com) for my parents pc. I'm talking 10 ads would pop up everytime you open IE. I couldn't believe it. This program is awesome!!! Not only did it find 265 ad program instances, it got rid of them and not a problem. On my PC I am a little smarter and I don't have 1 ad program installed on here.

Uuudar 10-27-2003 04:53 PM

I love you Bonzai Buddy!

flecktone4 10-27-2003 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by flyman
hey..............mr.motherfucker gator fuck

GO TO HELL...........

lol

maluv 10-28-2003 01:31 AM

i use ad-aware, takes care of problems like this -.-

SecretMethod70 10-28-2003 05:03 AM

Wil Wheaton said it best in his comment on slashdot:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=83240&cid=7287248

Quote:

Dear Gator,

Gator is Spyware, you fuckers. Spyware. Spyware. Spyware.

Please send me a nastygram. My career is stalled, and I could really use the publicity.

Love,

Wil Wheaton
Linux weenie who doesn't even use your crappy SPYware.

PS- It's spyware.
That said, honestly while I think Gator is evil, I don't think it's as big a problem as it's made out to be. I don't use Ad-Aware but once a month, and even then I'm lucky if it finds ANYTHING. Anyone who's halfway intelligent about internet browsing has nothing to worry about from Gator or anything else. *shrug*

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I hate spyware/adware because it's intrinsically evil and because of the problems I hear it causes other people, but I don't understand WHY it causes anyone besides "mom and pop" these problems.

bennyb 10-28-2003 04:09 PM

I pray every night they they are attacked by a band of scurvy sailors.

losthellhound 11-02-2003 08:38 PM

Gator is nothing compared to some of the other evils out there.. Try removing newdotnet from someone's system when it decides it doesnt want to work anymore

Newdotnet is a program that allows your system to access alternate DNS systems, allowing you to get to sites not on the beaten path.. It does however, mess up your winsock so badly that a removal can take hours..

And dont get me started on CometCursor or Bonzia Buddy

Sunrise 11-02-2003 08:41 PM

We should make an online petition against gator.
Anyways you's have reminded me to run ad-aware 6. It's been about 2 months since I've ran it.
Results: 1 "Tracking cookie" found
w00t, clean as a whistle. :)

TequilaJr 11-02-2003 11:35 PM

My mom's computer was so thoroughly infected with that crap....Gator, Xupiter, and other assorted garbage. Adaware removed 300 and some odd instances of their trackers and cookies. Needless to say, her computer runs a lot smoother now. Now I just gotta remind her to run Ad-aware often. :)


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