Why NVIDIA must die
 

Looks like Nvidia dropped the ball again. Check out the following articles on the GeForceFX 5900 Ultra's performance under DX9, particularly in regards to Half Life 2.

http://www.tomshardware.com/business...911/index.html

http://anandtech.com/

http://www.gamersdepot.com/hardware/..._rel50/001.htm

I guess they just don't make 'em like they used to. I just wish I'd known this before I bought mine. Looks like its coming out and going for sale on eBay. Time to move to the new king, ATI.

Veritas en Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

We had a discussion on this in another thread, and I made the comment that the game isn't out yet, and neither are the drivers that WILL be made to fix all of this. Check out Tom's Doom 3 benchmarks. ATI gets owned really bad and NVIDIA dominates. Both companies will release drivers that work well with both games before they are released, I guarantee it.

-Lasereth

As long as I can play Half-Life 2 and Doom 3 smoothly with all the eyecandy turned up, that's all I really car about. :)

I luv my All In Wonder 9700 Pro.

I hope so, but the beta's on Detonator 50 look pretty weak. The framerate comes up, but at the cost of some serious image quality. I'm wondering if its more Valve's issue or Nvidia's at this point though.

I hope the thing still releases on Sept 30th.

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Jimmy The Hutt

one thing you have to remember is that HL2 is very much based on DX9 while Doom3 while having a little Dx9 is more based on DX7, so thats why the fx can run better, its just simply not good enough for Dx9 yet.

And i refuse to believe a driver update can fix that, expecially without dropping visual quality any further

We'll see when both games are out. I still think both cards will run both games very well.

-Lasereth

I think that is the only way to be sure. At this point, I've invested a fair chuink of change in my card. I am loathe to abandon it for the sake of one game. That doesn't mean I won't, I just don't want to yet :). However, the pricing of the Radeon has begun....

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Jimmy The Hutt

I wouldn't give up on that FX yet, man. It still slaughters 9800 Pros in a lot of tests, especially when you crank the AA and filtering up, not to mention the resolution. I would seriously wait until both games are out before even considering switching cards.

-Lasereth

Yes, this is mostly based on DX9 usage and performance. I have read a few times that nVidia really has not enabled much DX9 on their hardware, which is odd.

However, I'm not sure what you mean by 'the fx can run better'. Maybe you mean its just more tuned to older DirectX????

In any case, I have a 9800 Pro on hold. I've been a good little nVidia customer for a while and I suppose its time to lean the other way for a bit.

ATI has always been my favorite but they went through a hard time about 2 years ago when everyone way raving about the great NVIDIA all i'm saying is things can and will change and everything software related will be fixed. but on the other hand ATI owns there from canada just like me!!!

Well if you get rid of Dx9 and use Dx8 the performance boost on FX card is overwhelming. Like Lasereth has said, we can't base performance of these two cards on games that haven't even been finished yet, in fact they're probably far from finished.

Personally I think ATi and Valve have done some shady dealings with each other, but I guess it's only fair since nVidia have their logo all over games like UT2003 and such.

Thread in question: http://tfproject.org/tfp/showthread....threadid=26804

Never thought one of my threads would ever be OLD ;)

Seriously, I just bought a FX600 256mb just for HL2 and I hope the Det 50's do the job.
The thought of getting a FX5900 or a 9700/9800Pro just to get 30fps with full effects scares me.

They'll be working no matter what.. as lasereth said, I garuntee it.

Why? For some reason I get this feeling 1 of 3 things would happen:
1) Boycotting of the game/company
2) Boycotting of the VideoCard Company
3) Both.

None of them look good, and one of them is bound to happen. No one can afford such a loss of sales, it'll be fixed, no doubt about it

The thing to remember is that NVidia cards have have 32-bit precision for floating point calculations, while Microsoft screwed NVidia after the lawsuit over the XBox profits and made the DX9 standard only 24-bit precision (which is what ATi uses).

As such, NVidia had a choice, they could either (a) run the cards at 16-bit precision and admit that they aren't DX9 compliant, or (b) have the cards do on-the-fly calculations from 32-bit to 24-bit and take a big performance hit to be DX9 compliant.

The NVidia cards are the ones with the technologically superior floating point precision (in this particular case), but due to the DX9 standard, they're the ones getting screwed.

I have a Geforce 4 Ti 4200 128 mb and I can't even run Half Life 1/CS smoothly at 1024x768+ with eye candy. Nvidia hurts my feelings in a major way.

No offense, but if that's true, you have a serious problem! I used to have that very same card and CS was great on it! Have you tried playing around with the video card settings? With AA, AF and IQ?

cs runs cool with my gf2mx400 and 4*aa so im not sure what your comps doing,
but i can believe that microsoft shafted nvidia over dx9 but thats a risk you take if you design technology based on a standard that hasnt been finalised.

I have the same card and am thinking about upgrading. What did you choose?

LeadTek GeForce FX 5900 128MB, I saved up :) I reckon it's the most prettiest card on the market.

just wait
 

time will tell :)