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dimbulb 08-18-2003 01:07 PM

Computers in Movies
 
The weapons forum has their own thread about weapons (and their use/misuse in movies.... ) well, why not computers..

1. Word processors never display a cursor.

2. You never have to use the space-bar when typing long sentences.

3. Movie characters never make typing mistakes.

4. All monitors display inch-high letters.

5. High-tech computers, such as those used by NASA, the CIA or some such governmental institution, will have easy to understand graphical interfaces.

6. Those that don't have graphical interfaces will have incredibly powerful text-based command shells that can correctly understand and execute commands typed in plain English.

7. Note: Command line interfaces will give you access to any information you want by simply typing, "ACCESS THE SECRET FILES" on any near-by keyboard.

8. You can also infect a computer with a destructive virus by simply typing "UPLOAD VIRUS". (See "Fortress".)

9. All computers are connected. You can access the information on the villain's desktop computer even if it's turned off.

10. Powerful computers beep whenever you press a key or the screen changes. Some computers also slow down the output on the screen so that it doesn't go faster than you can read. (Really advanced computers will also emulate the sound of a dot-matrix printer.)

11. All computer panels operate on thousands of volts and have explosive devices underneath their surface. Malfunctions are indicated by a bright flash of light, a puff of smoke, a shower of sparks and an explosion that causes you to jump backwards.

12. People typing on a computer can safely turn it off without saving the data.

13. A hacker is always able to break into the most sensitive computer in the world by guessing the secret password in two tries.

14. You may bypass "PERMISSION DENIED" message by using the "OVERRIDE" function. (See "Demolition Man".)

15. Computers only take 2 seconds to boot up instead of the average minutes for desktop PCs and 30 minutes or more for larger systems that can run 24 hours, 365 days a year without a reset.

16. Complex calculations and loading of huge amounts of data will be accomplished in under three seconds. Movie modems usually appear to transmit data at the speed of two gigabytes per second.

17. When the power plant/missile site/main computer overheats, all control panels will explode shortly before the entire building will.

18. If you display a file on the screen and someone deletes the file, it also disappears from the screen (See "Clear and Present Danger").

19. If a disk contains encrypted files, you are automatically asked for a password when you insert it.

20. Computers can interface with any other computer regardless of the manufacturer or galaxy where it originated. (See "Independence Day".)

21. Computer disks will work on any computer has a floppy drive and all software is usable on any platforms.

22. The more high-tech the equipment, the more buttons it will have (See "Aliens".)

23. Note: You must be highly trained to operate high-tech computers because the buttons have no labels except for the "SELF-DESTRUCT" button.

24. Most computers, no matter how small, have reality-defying three-dimensional active animation, photo-realistic graphics capabilities.

25. Laptops always have amazing real-time video phone capabilities and performance similar to a CRAY Supercomputer.

26. Whenever a character looks at a monitor, the image is so bright that it projects itself onto their face. (See "Alien" or "2001")

27. Searches on the internet will always return what you are looking for no matter how vague your keywords are. (See "Mission Impossible", Tom Cruise searches with keywords like "file" and "computer" an 3 results are returned.)

funbob 08-18-2003 01:16 PM

I never really paid attention to it, now I will, thanks for the post.

The_Dude 08-18-2003 01:25 PM

Quote:

A hacker is always able to break into the most sensitive computer in the world by guessing the secret password in two tries.
my favorite.

juanvaldes 08-18-2003 01:28 PM

28. There is always a front end to the CIA's database with no passwords that can be accessed by clicking on a odd character on a random webpage. (See "The Net")

Stare At The Sun 08-18-2003 01:53 PM

:) man that was funny

fhqwhgads 08-18-2003 03:29 PM

Re: Computers in Movies
 
Quote:

Originally posted by dimbulb
27. Searches on the internet will always return what you are looking for no matter how vague your keywords are. (See "Mission Impossible", Tom Cruise searches with keywords like "file" and "computer" an 3 results are returned.)
I also love in Mission Impossible when he types "INTERNET ACCESS" in order to bring up the newsgroups.... classic...

Juxtapozed 08-18-2003 04:56 PM

that was great! I coudn't have said it better myself

telekinetic2 08-18-2003 08:55 PM

29. All *REAL* hacker work is done on a consumer-grade slick-looking GUI (Swordfish)

These have gotten so cliche that the times when computers were ACCURATELY portrayed stand out more than the times when they were not:

A. Hackers use command lines to impliment published exploits to gain access to secure systems (Matrix II)

B. Ridiculous shut-down time/save times exist in the office environment (the apple/windows hybrid OS in Office Space)

I'm sure there are others...

Mr.Deflok 08-18-2003 09:27 PM

Fantastic post, so true :)

dunkelhelmut 08-18-2003 09:46 PM

30. All of these computers have image enhancing software which turns a low res image into an ultra-detailed high-res pic.

Also, who can forget this classic line?
"Wait. I know this. THIS IS A UNIX SYSTEM!!!"

djtestudo 08-18-2003 10:19 PM

Great line from a great movie ;)

charliex 08-18-2003 10:47 PM

that LCD display setup in swordfish was fantastic though, i aim for that one day..

Jurrasic Park used a SGI 3D directory navigator to hack into the security system, when she says this is a unix system.

sub zero 08-19-2003 03:56 AM

all that said, that computer in swordfish STILL makes my gator drule

God of Thunder 08-19-2003 05:30 AM

No one ever uses a mouse. Screens pop up and rotate and the like just by typing. And notice that they are never doing something simple like pressing an arrow key, they are TYPING as in sentences????


You can use a laptop to access anything, anywhere without any cords.




What is really sad is that one of the more realistic computer movies of our time was "Wargames" At least it had realistic equipment and real-looking interfaces.

"Shall we play a game?"

Fallon 08-19-2003 05:49 AM

Most of the OS's are mac's. My god...who uses a mac still geesh...:p
Nah, anytime I see anything computer related on a movie, I cringe...

snicka 08-19-2003 08:40 AM

31. You can destroy a computer simply by shooting or bashing the monitor. (more movies than I care to write here)

MPower 08-19-2003 08:57 AM

32. Everyone has a camera and a t3 line in their house. (american pie -shannon elisabeth scene)

funbob 08-19-2003 09:04 AM

Update, I was up late last night watching a movie, as usual, and there it was, a computer being used. I caught a few of the things that Dimbulb mentioned. What a crack up!!

asshopo 08-19-2003 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by charliex
Jurrasic Park used a SGI 3D directory navigator to hack into the security system, when she says this is a unix system.
Hahaha, I was going to say that! Funny stuff "Hey, this is unix, I know this!!!"

Hanabal 08-19-2003 04:33 PM

Quote:

1. Word processors never display a cursor
You can turn them off incase your wondering

so thats not too bad really

but the rest are good

Mr.Deflok 08-19-2003 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hanabal
You can turn them off incase your wondering

How many people do you know that can actually do that though ;)

Hanabal 08-19-2003 06:44 PM

its a basic function in word

Anomaly_ 08-19-2003 09:41 PM

I would like to know how they get rid of the annoying scrolling line that occurs because the monitor's refresh rate is much faster than the camera's. News stations don't bother to get rid of it so I wonder if it's that complex.

sandeep 08-19-2003 09:51 PM

i love watching computers in movies, mostly because i'm a big nerd, but also because it's obvious that the actor doesn't know how to do much more than checking his or her AOL email account.

not to sound like an elitest here, but come on, some of these operating systems are brilliantly simple to use, yet some how can only be managed by the "super hackers".

this thread is definitley worth a chuckle ;)

Nizzle 08-19-2003 11:26 PM

It's called MovieOS.

Mr.Deflok 08-20-2003 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hanabal
its a basic function in word
But how many people know that? lol

Hanabal 08-20-2003 12:18 AM

true, ill give you that

charliex 08-20-2003 12:58 AM

I had to be in a commercial once, and they wanted 'computery' looking stuff, so i just carreid on doing what i was doing, and they said no computery stuff, i just looked blank, then my boss said load up debug and make it scroll pages and page of hex dumps and tap the keyboard a lot... the film people went yeah thats it, computery stuff.

juanvaldes 08-20-2003 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charliex
I had to be in a commercial once, and they wanted 'computery' looking stuff, so i just carreid on doing what i was doing, and they said no computery stuff, i just looked blank, then my boss said load up debug and make it scroll pages and page of hex dumps and tap the keyboard a lot... the film people went yeah thats it, computery stuff.
that's so bad. :lol:
What was this for anyway?

charliex 08-20-2003 04:33 AM

It was a documentary for the BBC on making video games, as per usual with those the programmers get to sit in back looking all shifty with scrolling hex.

snicka 08-20-2003 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anomaly_
I would like to know how they get rid of the annoying scrolling line that occurs because the monitor's refresh rate is much faster than the camera's. News stations don't bother to get rid of it so I wonder if it's that complex.
they just have to match the refresh rate of the monitor frame rate of the camera and then tune it so each frame of film corresponds to the end of the crt scan.

Hanabal 08-20-2003 12:46 PM

or get an expensive digital camera

you can also buy screens for your monitor that will have the same effect

Cynthetiq 08-20-2003 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anomaly_
I would like to know how they get rid of the annoying scrolling line that occurs because the monitor's refresh rate is much faster than the camera's. News stations don't bother to get rid of it so I wonder if it's that complex.
adjusting the shutter speed of the camera to sync with the refresh rate of the monitor.... it's pretty easy can be done by the camera operator.

i used to insist on them doing it all the time back in the day when I was on the studio floor every day... now it's just set like that from the beginning of the day.

*EDIT* damn.. didn't get all the way down to the bottom of the thread before i posted this...

snicka 08-20-2003 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cynthetiq
*EDIT* damn.. didn't get all the way down to the bottom of the thread before i posted this... [/B]
owned :D

t3m3st 08-20-2003 05:30 PM

Didn't they make a virus in CAD3D in Swordfish?

Anomaly_ 08-20-2003 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by snicka
they just have to match the refresh rate of the monitor frame rate of the camera and then tune it so each frame of film corresponds to the end of the crt scan.
Duh, I should've figured. The shutter speed needs to be slightly less than the inverse of the monitor's refresh rate. I guess there are just some lazy cameramen in television because even my parents' camcorder can shutter as briefly as 1/4000 of a second.

YourNeverThere 08-20-2003 10:53 PM

My favorite was always in the movie Hackers, they didnt even have an operating system really, it was just them typing and pictures of the pi symbol flying all around and E=MC2 etc. That movie was great

juanvaldes 08-20-2003 11:16 PM

Save for the "Gibson" almost every computer in that movie was a apple.

Jaron 08-21-2003 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by telekinetic
A. Hackers use command lines to impliment published exploits to gain access to secure systems (Matrix II)
When I took my dad and brother to see that movie, my dad (who has a PhD in geek-related stuff) and I stood up and cheered. We got so many weird looks from the random... users.

*sudders in distaste*

Pragma 08-21-2003 05:16 AM

Well, the sshnuke exploit didn't actually exist - but the vulnerability that it exploited was real.

Still, it was a lot of fun to see them use nmap and then actual procedure to exploit a host.

Orionath 08-21-2003 06:47 AM

Re: Computers in Movies
 
Quote:

Originally posted by dimbulb

20. Computers can interface with any other computer regardless of the manufacturer or galaxy where it originated. (See "Independence Day".)

Maybe it's just because Jeff Goldblum plays such a clown even when he is trying to be a hero, but this is still my favorite. My son and I still laugh at the image of him sitting in the alien fighter ship (that he managed to "hotwire") and uploading a killer virus from his Macintosh laptop into the central computing system of the alien mothership. :p

Cynthetiq 08-21-2003 06:57 AM

Re: Re: Computers in Movies
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Orionath
Maybe it's just because Jeff Goldblum plays such a clown even when he is trying to be a hero, but this is still my favorite. My son and I still laugh at the image of him sitting in the alien fighter ship (that he managed to "hotwire") and uploading a killer virus from his Macintosh laptop into the central computing system of the alien mothership. :p
TCP/IP it's a UNIVERSAL protocol... :)

hobo 08-21-2003 12:46 PM

I don't know if it's just me, but I didn't like how Hugh was dancing as he was programming in Swordfish. Does anyone really dance around his computer as he is typing?

Nooze2k 08-21-2003 10:33 PM

33. All laptops are Mac Powerbooks/iBooks

Cynthetiq 08-22-2003 05:18 AM

all technology represented in movies/TV are skewed... I'm sure when The Original Start Trek aired... lots of people were like ::giggle:: WTF is that thing he's talking to in his hand?

Jameson 08-22-2003 05:45 AM

I find it worse when most movies try to use "real" terminology. Most of the time, when they use real terminology, they use it wrong. Or worse, by the time the movie is out, that technology/terminology is already out of date or changed.

Remember "Hackers": everyone Oooing and Awwing over the "new Pentium Five" notebook...."RISC is good". Wrong and obsolete by the time it came out on video.

Movie makers should either do a computer scene REALLY well (like Matrix II) or they should leave it all abstract and try not to be "computery" at all.

johnnymysto 08-22-2003 05:47 AM

Re: Computers in Movies
 
Quote:

Originally posted by dimbulb
10. Powerful computers beep whenever you press a key or the screen changes. Some computers also slow down the output on the screen so that it doesn't go faster than you can read. (Really advanced computers will also emulate the sound of a dot-matrix printer.)

That's the truth! I love in movies when any computer at all makes a sound as text is displayed across the screen. I need to make my computer at work do that.

Cynthetiq 08-22-2003 06:29 AM

Re: Re: Computers in Movies
 
Quote:

Originally posted by johnnymysto
That's the truth! I love in movies when any computer at all makes a sound as text is displayed across the screen. I need to make my computer at work do that.

arrgh! i'd be aggravated at it more than i already am...

johnnymysto 08-22-2003 09:12 AM

I'm with ya, Cynthetiq. In my last post 'love' = love to laugh at how stupid it is.

Krycheck 08-22-2003 10:15 AM

How did that infamous line in The Lone Gunman tv show go? MY GIBSON HAS BEEN HACKED!!@#!

Or something like that. Gave me a good chuckle.

I also look to see what OS they use too. It's either a Mac OS or something that resembles Linux.

Swordfish was the worst example of hacking I've ever seen in a movie. Made me cringe.

dragonhawk 08-22-2003 11:01 AM

They filmed a movie here a few years ago called "Pass the Ammo".

Our C language instructer worked for ATT who provided the computers for some scenes.

He wrote a program that was basicly a slide show for a alarm system. You press space bar, it moved the "alarm" on the screen. The move made it look like as alarms went off, the computer reported it.

And there was a room full of printers running. Well, actually, they had a bunch of people lie under the printers and pull the paper through by hand. Then they added sound effects later to make it look live.

I still have a copy of that program somewhere :)

MPower 08-22-2003 11:17 AM

How about in wargames when Broderick has to hook up a voice thingy for his home computer and when they go to norad they get the same voice. I guess the one at home was still hooked up.

viejo gringo 08-22-2003 06:28 PM

--and why does every puter have the software to
isolate a frame and the blow it up--and very clear...

Mr.Deflok 08-22-2003 08:30 PM

Re: Re: Re: Computers in Movies
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Cynthetiq
TCP/IP it's a UNIVERSAL protocol... :)
Classic!!!!

bundy 08-22-2003 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dimbullb


7. Note: Command line interfaces will give you access to any information you want by simply typing, "ACCESS THE SECRET FILES" on any near-by keyboard.
LOL
thats so true.
love it

MSD 08-22-2003 11:00 PM

Even PC's run MacOS.

And any file, whether it's a document or 3D blueprints to a top-secret government facility, can fit on a standard floppy disk

philzilla 08-23-2003 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nooze2k
33. All laptops are Mac Powerbooks/iBooks
34. all the bad guys use IBM, all the good guys use Apple

omnigod 08-23-2003 03:05 PM

ha ha, i never paid attention before, ,i guess now i am going to be pointing out everything i see.

CSflim 08-23-2003 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by viejo gringo
--and why does every puter have the software to
isolate a frame and the blow it up--and very clear...

hi-tech sophistimicated enhancement algorihms...duh! :D

tehblaed 08-23-2003 09:34 PM

35. All viruses display graphics on-screen at time of infection, taunting the gawking sysadmin with a 3-letter password and the backlit, sphere-keyed plexiglass keyboard. (Um, Hackers, duh.)

Anomaly_ 08-23-2003 10:02 PM

36. The most daunting task is to hack "THE MAINFRAME".

Macheath 08-23-2003 10:40 PM

I loved in Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040 where they're hacking into an NSA spy satellite and you see seemingly random text scrolling down the screen - it's actually a parody of the dreaded Microsoft EULA.

MMM-A 08-24-2003 10:38 AM

Apple is the 1000 pound gorilla of product placement in movies and TV. If you can identify a computer in a movie or TV show, it's likely an Apple. Odd how they still don't get market share!

As for screen protrayal on the big and small screen, they never are real - no matter what type of computer is supposedly in use! I expect that the software makers want royalties for use on the screen which producers don't want to pay... furthermore, it's likely that the actual screens wouldn't work well on the camera - and made-up ones (larger font, better colors for the camera, etc.) work better.

While I'm on the subject of product placement: If you watch movies/TV you'd seriously doubt the existance of hand-helds or PDAs. They're NEVER used! Is the handwriting on the wall saying they're soon to go the way of the dodo bird and Beta?

philzilla 08-24-2003 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MMM-A
While I'm on the subject of product placement: If you watch movies/TV you'd seriously doubt the existance of hand-helds or PDAs. They're NEVER used! Is the handwriting on the wall saying they're soon to go the way of the dodo bird and Beta?
James Bond?

(and you mean Betamax)

Cynthetiq 08-24-2003 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MMM-A
Apple is the 1000 pound gorilla of product placement in movies and TV. If you can identify a computer in a movie or TV show, it's likely an Apple. Odd how they still don't get market share!

As for screen protrayal on the big and small screen, they never are real - no matter what type of computer is supposedly in use! I expect that the software makers want royalties for use on the screen which producers don't want to pay... furthermore, it's likely that the actual screens wouldn't work well on the camera - and made-up ones (larger font, better colors for the camera, etc.) work better.

While I'm on the subject of product placement: If you watch movies/TV you'd seriously doubt the existance of hand-helds or PDAs. They're NEVER used! Is the handwriting on the wall saying they're soon to go the way of the dodo bird and Beta?

apple has a recognizeable brand and philosophy of easy use. But you still don't see the Apple GUI.

Royalties don't have much to do with it since product placement means either a Thank You in the credits or a bunch of loaners and a payment depending on how much screen time they actually get. I worked out a deal with Compaq when I was at VH1. I got tired of them not leveraging getting some new and exciting computer systems for on screen. If they don't want to pay, then they get the gaffer tape across the logo. Watch how many times you'll see the apple logo blacked out. It happens.

Hash_Browns 08-24-2003 07:00 PM

I know this has been said once...but I have to repeat it..

I was watching Sister Sister with my little ones...and Tia has a laptop, she setting up a date with some guy outta nowhere...and she's online using some kind of im..and I had to look twice..as there are NO wires..or from what I could tell external wireless cards anywhere near this thing...and when her sister Tamera walks in the screen is till on...after a while...that battery shoulda been dead!!

So yeah, I know what you are talking about...asshopo..my SO talks about it ALL the time when we are watching movies! Programmers...go figure!

yotta 08-24-2003 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Macheath
I loved in Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040 where they're hacking into an NSA spy satellite and you see seemingly random text scrolling down the screen - it's actually a parody of the dreaded Microsoft EULA.
It _IS_ a windows EULA....

yotta 08-24-2003 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hash_Browns
I know this has been said once...but I have to repeat it..

I was watching Sister Sister with my little ones...and Tia has a laptop, she setting up a date with some guy outta nowhere...and she's online using some kind of im..and I had to look twice..as there are NO wires..or from what I could tell external wireless cards anywhere near this thing...and when her sister Tamera walks in the screen is till on...after a while...that battery shoulda been dead!!

So yeah, I know what you are talking about...asshopo..my SO talks about it ALL the time when we are watching movies! Programmers...go figure!

Lotsa laptops have internal wireless cards.

Stargazer01 08-25-2003 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by yotta
Lotsa laptops have internal wireless cards.
But not those featured in a show that was around before the Pentium2 was on the market :P


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