Mozilla Breaks Free! - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

SecretMethod70 · 07-17-2003, 09:50 AM

Everone's favorite dinosaur, Mozilla, has broken free from the clutches of AOL!

It was difficult for him no doubt, wanting to remain loyal to his original owners, Netscape, yet wanting to get out of the bad care he was now receiving. Well, he gathered up the strength and courage and made a run for it folks, and now he's ready to grow unencumbered to become stronger than ever!

Here's to the new <a href="http://www.mozilla.org/">Mozilla Foundation</a> and the exciting future it is sure to have! Check it out

billcollins · 07-17-2003, 11:13 AM

Aol recently signed another contract to use IE in their AOL software.

I find that messed up =) IE will not be updated until Longhorn. IE will never be updated (anymore) on any OS other than windows. I believe this next version will be a total rewite of the code (and you wont be able to uninstal it). Standards isn't something that seems applicable to IE.

What happens when LonghornIE becomes "standard"? Will all those people with OldIE have to look at the same rendering problems (from miswritten html/code) as Mozilla or Opera users have now? (or will web designers start using the standards during this period... evening the field on browsers).

whew, sorry for the rant

juanvaldes · 07-17-2003, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by billcollins
What happens when LonghornIE becomes "standard"? Will all those people with OldIE have to look at the same rendering problems (from miswritten html/code) as Mozilla or Opera users have now? (or will web designers start using the standards during this period... evening the field on browsers).

They will be told to buy Longhorn. And this is our time to try to make a crack for standards. MS won the browser war and can go back to ignoring the W3C and fuck over everyone else.

As for Mozilla, the problem with being free is all the full time coders got fired. And 2M will not feel alot of coders for long, we'll see how the community responds.

webfiend · 07-17-2003, 01:00 PM

I think it's good that AOL finally cut Mozilla loose. It's pretty much been expected since ... right around the day that AOL bought up Netscape

My two favorite renderers have always been KHTML and Gecko. I sincerely hope that the Mozilla Foundation gets the funding they need to continue, because I don't want to see the number of non-IE options to shrink.

SecretMethod70 · 07-17-2003, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by webfiend
I think it's good that AOL finally cut Mozilla loose. It's pretty much been expected since ... right around the day that AOL bought up Netscape

Unless I misunderstand, it was the Mozilla Project that cut itself off from AOL, not the other way around.

webfiend · 07-17-2003, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by SecretMethod70
Unless I misunderstand, it was the Mozilla Project that cut itself off from AOL, not the other way around.

I'd like to think that, but there was a major reshuffling at AOL. Most of the Netscape/Mozilla team was either let go or reassigned to more important stuff. DevEdge team got shuffled like a deck of cards, which is too bad. It finally got useful again.

Honestly, though, the truth of the matter is that it probably depends on who gave you the news and what mood you were in when you heard it. Mozilla cut loose from AOL, or AOL cut Mozilla loose. Either way, the important thing is that I no longer have to ponder an AOL/Mozilla browser

Latch · 07-18-2003, 04:34 AM

As I understood it, AOL got rid of Mozilla/Netscape. While firing all (or most) of their fulltime coders, and moving the rest.. I fear that mozilla development will drop in the short-term. It may balance out in the long-run, but it will take a while for the Mozilla Foundation to adjust to it's new-found status. I agree with juanvaldes when he says that 2M won't be enough to live off for a lot of people for a long amount of time.

As for IE/Longhorn vs. Everyone Else, Mozilla (and others) will adapt. As much as we hate it, eventually Microsoft ends up holding all the cards... and if we (everyone else) want to survive, we'll have to support all (or most) of the stuff the new IE does.

I see this as Mozilla going from offensive mode (coding for fun and to gain new followers) to defensive (coding just to keep the people we already have).

All this is IMO, of course....

Peetster · 07-18-2003, 04:44 AM

I'm using Mozilla to view all this right now on my Linux9 laptop.

My concern is Mozilla's lack of ability to keep up with standards like Flash and Java. Right now, with an out-of-the-box install of the latest Mozilla, I can't see any Flash or Java. It should be simpler than this.

SecretMethod70 · 07-18-2003, 06:13 AM

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Originally posted by Peetster
I'm using Mozilla to view all this right now on my Linux9 laptop.

My concern is Mozilla's lack of ability to keep up with standards like Flash and Java. Right now, with an out-of-the-box install of the latest Mozilla, I can't see any Flash or Java. It should be simpler than this.

Funny, I like that.

1) not everyone is on a fast internet connection so why should they be forced to download flash and java, etc support with their browser no matter what? (There is a java included version though which is what I install and it works seamlessly, perhaps the same should e done with flash as well).

2) I don't like flash. It's annoying. Especially those flash advertisements that take up the whole page. So I like having a browser that I can choose to simply not have it supported. It's all about choice.

webfiend · 07-18-2003, 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by Latch
As for IE/Longhorn vs. Everyone Else, Mozilla (and others) will adapt. As much as we hate it, eventually Microsoft ends up holding all the cards... and if we (everyone else) want to survive, we'll have to support all (or most) of the stuff the new IE does.

That's a fair point. Since MS provides the OS and browser used by the majority of users, we have to take them into account. It's easy to forget that I am not ninety-something percent of the computer users out there. It's not something I really have to worry about, since I am not a Web designer (I do the server-side stuff instead).

But I don't really consider Microsoft the Evil Empire - just the mass-market alternative to the stuff I use: Mozilla, OmniWeb, Opera, Konqueror :P

Xirax · 07-18-2003, 10:15 PM

Here's something funny:

I work at a web hosting technical support company. Our main website has flash on it. A few of our newer computers, running linux (redhat 7.3, eew) crash when they view these sites. So If I go on there to take a look at our prices or something...bye bye browsers.

juanvaldes · 07-19-2003, 01:02 AM

old redhat....have you guys even updated Mozilla on those systems?

And flash...ugh....

The Bolshevist · 07-19-2003, 09:42 PM

Just downloaded Mozilla Firebird. I like it; first time I have been away from MS in a LOOONG time. (Now I am using OpenOffice and Mozilla. I love these alternatives!) What is a good free Open Source email program?

SecretMethod70 · 07-19-2003, 11:42 PM

Mozilla Thunderbird I think should be pretty darn good - I use the e-mail client in the Mozilla suite right now and Thunderbird is based off of it. However, there isn't a milestone build of Thunderbird yet I don't think. Eudora, I hear, is a good e-mail client - although I highly doubt it's open source. I've never used it though.

webfiend · 07-20-2003, 05:49 AM

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Originally posted by The Bolshevist
Just downloaded Mozilla Firebird. I like it; first time I have been away from MS in a LOOONG time. (Now I am using OpenOffice and Mozilla. I love these alternatives!) What is a good free Open Source email program?

Eudora is a good shareware email program. Been around a long time, and still pretty dang good. Pegasus is free, and worth every penny

I personally found Pegasus to be a little awkward, but it did the job well. I have a feeling that Thunderbird will provide what both of us are looking for in a free windows email client. All we gotta do is wait for them to start releasing official builds

07-17-2003, 09:50 AM	#1 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	Mozilla Breaks Free! Everone's favorite dinosaur, Mozilla, has broken free from the clutches of AOL! It was difficult for him no doubt, wanting to remain loyal to his original owners, Netscape, yet wanting to get out of the bad care he was now receiving. Well, he gathered up the strength and courage and made a run for it folks, and now he's ready to grow unencumbered to become stronger than ever! Here's to the new <a href="http://www.mozilla.org/">Mozilla Foundation</a> and the exciting future it is sure to have! Check it out __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

07-18-2003, 10:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
Xirax Psycho Location: Toronto	Here's something funny: I work at a web hosting technical support company. Our main website has flash on it. A few of our newer computers, running linux (redhat 7.3, eew) crash when they view these sites. So If I go on there to take a look at our prices or something...bye bye browsers. __________________ perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'

07-19-2003, 09:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
The Bolshevist Insane Location: Vancouver, Canada	Just downloaded Mozilla Firebird. I like it; first time I have been away from MS in a LOOONG time. (Now I am using OpenOffice and Mozilla. I love these alternatives!) What is a good free Open Source email program? __________________ Workers of the world, UNITE! You have nothing to lose but your silly uniforms and paper hats!!

07-19-2003, 11:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	Mozilla Thunderbird I think should be pretty darn good - I use the e-mail client in the Mozilla suite right now and Thunderbird is based off of it. However, there isn't a milestone build of Thunderbird yet I don't think. Eudora, I hear, is a good e-mail client - although I highly doubt it's open source. I've never used it though. __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

07-17-2003, 11:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
billcollins Tilted	Aol recently signed another contract to use IE in their AOL software. I find that messed up =) IE will not be updated until Longhorn. IE will never be updated (anymore) on any OS other than windows. I believe this next version will be a total rewite of the code (and you wont be able to uninstal it). Standards isn't something that seems applicable to IE. What happens when LonghornIE becomes "standard"? Will all those people with OldIE have to look at the same rendering problems (from miswritten html/code) as Mozilla or Opera users have now? (or will web designers start using the standards during this period... evening the field on browsers). whew, sorry for the rant

07-17-2003, 01:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
webfiend Insane Location: Seattle?	I think it's good that AOL finally cut Mozilla loose. It's pretty much been expected since ... right around the day that AOL bought up Netscape My two favorite renderers have always been KHTML and Gecko. I sincerely hope that the Mozilla Foundation gets the funding they need to continue, because I don't want to see the number of non-IE options to shrink.

07-18-2003, 04:34 AM	#7 (permalink)
Latch In Your Dreams Location: City of Lights	As I understood it, AOL got rid of Mozilla/Netscape. While firing all (or most) of their fulltime coders, and moving the rest.. I fear that mozilla development will drop in the short-term. It may balance out in the long-run, but it will take a while for the Mozilla Foundation to adjust to it's new-found status. I agree with juanvaldes when he says that 2M won't be enough to live off for a lot of people for a long amount of time. As for IE/Longhorn vs. Everyone Else, Mozilla (and others) will adapt. As much as we hate it, eventually Microsoft ends up holding all the cards... and if we (everyone else) want to survive, we'll have to support all (or most) of the stuff the new IE does. I see this as Mozilla going from offensive mode (coding for fun and to gain new followers) to defensive (coding just to keep the people we already have). All this is IMO, of course....

07-18-2003, 04:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
Peetster Right Now Location: Home	I'm using Mozilla to view all this right now on my Linux9 laptop. My concern is Mozilla's lack of ability to keep up with standards like Flash and Java. Right now, with an out-of-the-box install of the latest Mozilla, I can't see any Flash or Java. It should be simpler than this.

07-19-2003, 01:02 AM	#12 (permalink)
juanvaldes Banned Location: shittown, CA	old redhat....have you guys even updated Mozilla on those systems? And flash...ugh....