01-28-2010, 05:19 AM | #41 (permalink) |
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Ratbastid and Will... please note that the issues I listed were from someone else (hence the link).
I really like the idea of the iPad. I want one. I haven't visited the apple app store. I don't have an iPhone. As for the apple bookstore... as long as the ereader works like iTunes, where I can import music from other sources, I am OK. As for the camera, I want this tablet to replace my laptop at home. I want to be able to use Skype. I want to be able to dock it and use a proper keyboard when I need to. I want to be able to use it while I am in the kitchen; hang it on the wall for recipes. I want to be able to read the paper and browse web content from the couch... It can do almost all of these things.
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01-28-2010, 08:09 AM | #42 (permalink) |
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As I see it, my Acer AS1410 Netbook blows this thing out of the water any day. For $385 I got a Celeron Dual Core processor that plays 1080p videos without hiccups (I can even send the image and sound directly to my HDTV via the INCLUDED HDMI port or VGA port), 2GB of RAM, 3 USB ports, full size keybord, SD reader, 1.3MP camera, 11inch Led backlit, 160GB HDD and 6 hour battery life, and there is a kit that sells for $60 to make it touchscreen. It weights just over one pound more than an IPad, but I'd bet that if you're going to be lugging around the keyboard and at least the VGA port it surely weights the same, it can even dual boot Win7 and OSX!!. I really wanted to love the IPad and was expecting to be amazed, but Apple really dropped the ball this time. They say it's a hybrid between a computer and a cellphone, thing is PDAs have existed from over 20 years now and we all know what happened to them. If the IPad had at least Multitasking, USB port and VGA out built in, I think it would be worth considering, as it is nos, it really does not appeal but to hardcore Apple fans.
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01-28-2010, 08:27 AM | #43 (permalink) |
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You know, the more I think about it, the more I like it. For what it'd be used for, a permanent keyboard or video out, etc., wouldn't even show up on the radar much for me. I'd be reclining back in my chair surfing the web on it, Facebooking, or doing email...watching movies on a portable platform.
It's not something I'd use for a high-input productivity. That's what actual computers are for. This isn't an actual computer. I don't think it's meant to be. I'm not sure if I'll ever have one. Maybe when my iPod Touch goes kaput...maybe.... But I don't see this as a replacement for or for fulfilling the functionality of a laptop. It's meant for portable Internet and media experiences. If I had to take a guess, I'd say this will actually be quite successful. The price is pretty right, especially for an Apple product. I just wish they'd gone with iSlate is all.
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01-28-2010, 08:39 AM | #44 (permalink) |
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Yes, exactly. I mentioned my other devices to reference the fact that it's different from them. I don't see it as a replacement for any existing device, so its limitations aren't so relevant. Each additional feature...USB ports and the rest will add cost. I imagine more fully-featured versions are forthcoming. If you consider some niche-marketing tactics within an overall marketing strategy, how they introduced it makes sense - a low-cost Kindle killer, for example.
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01-28-2010, 09:17 AM | #45 (permalink) |
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sure it's a Kindle/Nook killer, but, let's look at the market of the Kindle/Nook. It's relatively small. I can't understand why Apple would try to create something for such a small niche market that doesn't have some sort of expandability. I don't ever see this morphing into anything else..at least not until they expand 3G to Verizon and other CDMA networks. Even then, a small market is a small market. I have to wonder what the sickness is doing to Mr. Jobs.
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01-28-2010, 09:20 AM | #46 (permalink) |
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Kindle doesn't have apps, and can't show you movies...or colour.... It's not just for people who want to read books or newspapers. It reaches beyond the ebook market.
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01-28-2010, 09:26 AM | #47 (permalink) |
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They made a huge mistake by not putting a real OS on it. I'm sorry the iphone apps are worthless on this device if they don't allow multi-tasking. What is the point of having 10 inches of screen space if you can only fill 3 inches of it with a phone app.
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01-28-2010, 09:52 AM | #48 (permalink) |
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01-28-2010, 10:30 AM | #49 (permalink) |
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Well that didn't take long.
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01-28-2010, 01:13 PM | #50 (permalink) |
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I do get this point of view, really. And this vid presents it very well. Funny as hell. And true. I'm still excited to check out the gadget for myself. Paradoxical? Sure. Like everything else, I guess. I'd rather take 3 steps forward and two steps back than wait for the world's best bus. I don't know if that line is even in service at this point. In its weird way, Apple still points the way.
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01-28-2010, 03:47 PM | #54 (permalink) |
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01-28-2010, 06:36 PM | #55 (permalink) |
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01-30-2010, 01:50 AM | #57 (permalink) |
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A few days in and I am down to two objections:
1) no flash (many site use this and I want to use the iPad to surf the web) 2) no camera for videoconferencing (I want it to have a camera like my macbook)
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01-30-2010, 06:18 AM | #59 (permalink) | |
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It's not that Apple doesn't upgrade their systems ever.
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01-30-2010, 06:34 AM | #60 (permalink) | |
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But why restrict it to closed software. In my opinion Apple is the most backward expensive electronics manufacturer I know. Their stuff is gorgeous. But that's as far as cred I'll give them.
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01-30-2010, 08:32 AM | #62 (permalink) |
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Yes, as Apple has demonstrated in the past with the iPod (mp3 players), iTunes (digital media distribution), and the iPhone (touchscreen smartphones) that they are both a market innovator and market maker, which often opens the floodgates for other competitors down the road.
They aren't necessarily the first to do these technologies in the market; but they have demonstrated that they are the first to do them on a large scale that paves the way to mainstream market adoption.
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01-30-2010, 08:38 AM | #64 (permalink) |
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That it's overpriced is debatable. Some were "pleasantly surprised" by the "low price."
And "so few" features? You mean like the Kindle?
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01-30-2010, 09:02 AM | #65 (permalink) |
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By "some", does the number that includes of "some" offset the cost of the manufacture and marketing of this product? Because I believe he will make a loss. Lets bet on this.
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01-30-2010, 09:07 AM | #66 (permalink) | |
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And according to this source, the iPad costs Apple $270 to make. (Compare that to the $499 starting price.) And, an additional 11% of Apple's revenue comes from iTunes, 4% from peripherals, and 6.6% from software. So add those categories into the iPad revenue mix as well. Do you remember the lineups at the release of the iPhone? That device was around the same price for this iPad at release. Actually, I think the iPhone price was higher. Regardless, expect Apple to make even more money on this. The hype machine is chugging along nicely.
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01-30-2010, 09:55 AM | #67 (permalink) |
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I don't think it costs $275.00 to create one iPad but manufacturing in bulk does bring the cost down considerably below the market value.
As you stated, Apple makes money off iTunes, peripherals and software. Now. Factor these in. Manufacturing the iPad and the cost of software for it vs. Price of the merchandise. It is all contingent on people that they BUY them. And I'm saying people won't buy them. So revenue may increase but (I am now skeptical) IF they make a profit off the iPad it will be slim. |
01-30-2010, 10:06 AM | #68 (permalink) |
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That cost might only take in materials and manufacturing costs. It might not include packaging and shipping, etc., but still. I read somewhere that the 3G iPhone has a margin of over 50%.
If a product as complex as an SUV can net companies as much as $10,000 to $20,000 per unit, is it that far fetched to see as high as 50% margin on an electronics device?
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01-30-2010, 10:09 AM | #69 (permalink) |
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But the thing is this is a novelty device. It's not like a big screen TV and a FAR cry from a phone. The Kindle DX is way more practical than this. But as I type that I realize it can still have buyers, practicality has nothing to do with mass appeal.
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It's not meant to be a tv or a phone or a laptop. It's meant for portable media consumption. There's a market for that and it's ripe for the taking. It's not the perfect device. But it's also 1st generation.
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01-30-2010, 11:29 AM | #71 (permalink) |
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If it's meant for portable media consumption then why didn't it naturally come with a fully functional web browser? What other media dispersion method is there better than the internet? Just the fact that it has no flash looses it massive points. I'm also getting this through the angle of music, not just video. Why would you lug the iPad around when you have the option of a small iPod?
You win some points on it being first gen. But I guess that's all irrelevant to "on-the-fly" knowledge buyers. The first thing I assume an impulse buyer is going to ask is "What does it do?". Then the pro's and cons come into play and then the perfect device argument works in this context. |
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That aside, this device does a lot of things, on a large screen, and for a reasonable price. You might not be able to use Hulu (Flash-based), but you do have YouTube. A part of me thinks (hopes?) that Apple may eventually implement Flash due to market pressure, but I'm not holding my breath. As far as the music is concerned, I see your point. But, hey, you could always use bluetooth headphones. The device itself is only about 1.5" X 0.5" larger than a trade paperback book (which for book nerds like me is reasonably portable). And 1.5 pounds isn't bad considering the size of the screen. For music, it's a bit of a trade-off compared to an iPod, yes, but this device is more of an all-in-one. I don't like the idea of reading an ebook on the iPod Touch, and watching movies is barely passable.
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the back breaker for me was that it can run iWork. Let me get this straight - I can still work on documents, presentations and spreadsheets on a much more portable solution? it means I don't have to drag my Macbook everywhere I go now.
And damn that Hitler video was funny.
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01-31-2010, 06:31 PM | #74 (permalink) | |
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Here's an interesting article that suggests that it should be Adobe that should be worried that Flash is not on the iPad rather than Apple. It makes a good point.
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01-31-2010, 07:23 PM | #75 (permalink) |
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Good find, Charlatan.
There's this too, as an example: Hulu’s Plans for the iPad, the Mobile Internet – GigaOM
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This is what I read this evening and it all just clicked...this makes a lot more sense than replacing an iphone or ipod touch that you walk around the city.
I used to keep a laptop under the sofa so that I could look stuff up while watching TV. This would be a nice replacement. Quote:
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01-31-2010, 07:48 PM | #77 (permalink) |
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Puttering around the house is exactly how I envision using this... what I didn't think of was having a couple of them laying about the house.
That makes it even better. Depending on the pricing once they arrive here, I am thinking of getting one.
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While we're posting good writeups, I'll turn to Andy Inhatko. Longtime Apple fan, but with an excellent eye for criticism as well.
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02-01-2010, 06:15 AM | #79 (permalink) |
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Yeah, the article Cynth quoted nails it. The initial "it'll never replace my laptop" agita just misses the point. It's not meant to. The thing I hadn't picked up on was the several-in-the-house not-owned-by-anyone like-a-newspaper element of it. I think that's exactly right, and it's tied to price drops for the cheapest version. THAT'S a game-changer.
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02-01-2010, 06:25 AM | #80 (permalink) |
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Yeah, hasn't it been categorized as "between an iPhone and a laptop"?
I like what everyone has been saying about the speed. That's important at this point I think.
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