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KrazyKracka · 03-21-2006, 01:37 AM

1. Boot PC
2. PC gets to Windows XP logo, and freezes right after the logo disappears.
3. Hit Restart button.
2. PC boots, goes to logon screen, and freezes again.
4. Hit Restart button again.
5. PC boots, goes to logon screen, I logon, and then it freezes just as
the desktop starts to show.
6. Hit Restart button again, PC boots and runs normally, without a problem.

It just started doing this, and I couldn't find a virus or anything, so I reformatted the machine, only to my dismay it didn't solve any problems at all.

Could the CMOS battery be the culprit here? I'm curious because I've never replaced it, and the battery on the board is over a year old.

Specs:

OS: Windows XP PRO, SP2. Fully updated
CPU: Intel P4 @ 3.2GHz
RAM: 1.5 GB PC 2700
GFX: BFG 256 MB AGP 8x running Nvidea GEForce 6200 OC Chipset.
Board: ASUS P4C800-E
HDD: Maxtor 120 GB 7200RPM PATA
PSU: 450W (I forget the brand)

Running McAfee Internet security 2006, fully updated.

I do not have any parts of the machine overclocked.

Any help is appreciated, thank you all!

sashime76 · 03-21-2006, 08:46 AM

How many sticks of RAM have you installed? 2 or 3? Leave only one stick and try to boot up. One of them might be faulty. If you have an air compressor, spray out the dust on the fans, power supply. If you have spare hard drive, try installing, booting from it. There are just too many varaiables in a PC and can all cause hang ups like your've described.

KrazyKracka · 03-21-2006, 04:57 PM

yes it's very annoying. I have 3 sticks of RAM right now. If I put the machine in standby mode, it will do the same thing, if it stands by for long enough.

shakran · 03-21-2006, 05:29 PM

I'd be surprised if it was the battery. Generally a dead battery just means the clock is wrong, and the computer takes longer to boot up because it loses the memory of what devices you have.

I'm guessing ram as well, although it could definitely be heat.

spindles · 03-21-2006, 06:07 PM

1 more vote for "ram is most likely culprit"

AquaFox · 03-21-2006, 06:16 PM

i vote for it being bill gate's fault

.... the ram does seem like it could be it

steveincolumbus · 03-22-2006, 05:01 AM

My guess would be the power supply

KrazyKracka · 03-22-2006, 10:29 PM

I like the Bill Gates is to blame reason hahahaha.

Hmm... RAM eh? I noticed a couple other things today, when I tried to watch a DVD on the machine, it kept locking up as well, along with when I tried to play WarCraft III.

I'll have to pull the RAM sticks out one by one and see what happens. Thanks everyone!

Zar · 03-23-2006, 12:42 AM

I had a problem somewhat like this a month or so back, although only in a specialized case. Whenever I'd run a somewhat intensive 3D game (Half-Life 2, The Sims 2, even Civilization), the computer would lock up after a few minutes. After tearing my hair out trying all sorts of software solutions, I finally cracked open the case and took a look inside. Turned out the fan on my video card had bit the dust (heh), and the card was overheating and crapping out. Bought a new fan for 15 bucks, installed it, and no more problems.

Don't know if this applies here, as your problem seems more general, but I thought I'd throw it out there. It does definitely sound hardware related though.

Nimetic · 03-23-2006, 03:10 AM

If you have a virus or spyware which is triggered on logon by a registry key (ie a computer setting)

...and

that file has been removed by an antivirus program or similar

...then... you might see something like this. IMHO.

If you believe this theory, I found a program called "Autoruns Utility" which is useful. "HijackThis" is also interesting.

In my case with a similar problem - I was able to remove the offending entry by running in safe mode, or perhaps it was from another login account, I can't remember the exact details.

KrazyKracka · 03-24-2006, 09:58 AM

Sounds good where can I get this Autoruns Utility?

ratbastid · 03-24-2006, 10:23 AM

Go download <a href="http://www.memtest86.com/">memtest86</a>. Sounds to me like dying ram.

MexicanOnABike · 03-24-2006, 01:49 PM

possible dead powersupply? i like that it's the only thing that every fucks up on my pcs.

Nimetic · 03-24-2006, 05:48 PM

Ah. I just checked. Looks like I got it of www.sysinternals.com

They have a few neat utilities there by the way. Fairly technical site though (it's been around since early NT days).

flat5 · 03-25-2006, 01:48 PM

If the PC takes awhile to stablize, like 5 to 10 minutes, in my experience this has always been a RAM module problem.

sashime76 · 03-25-2006, 04:52 PM

If you get your system up and running, try Sisoft Sandra and run the burn-in test for at least a 24 hour duration. Sounds like your system is fairly new with a fresh installation of Win XP. I'm still banking on one of the hardware components, RAM / Power Supply. Good luck.

KrazyKracka · 03-26-2006, 02:50 AM

I'm going to give it a shot here. It will only boot in safe mode now, so the problem is getting worse progressively. If I can actually get it to boot and not lock up, which it is doing at random intervals now, I'll try to run a test on the RAM and see what's happening. I'm just using my laptop right now, and haven't had much time. This just hasn't been a good week for me, the PC died, and the engine decided to blow up in my car two days ago! *sigh*

Thanks again to the TFP members

KrazyKracka · 03-26-2006, 03:01 AM

Ratbastid I've never ran this memtest 86, do I have to make a bootable CD in order to run the program?

KrazyKracka · 03-26-2006, 03:06 AM

Nimetec, I checked out that site, and you're right, there's a ton of stuff there worth checking out. Sorry, it's late and I'm too lazy to edit my messages, so I'm being a post whore at the moment

Nimetic · 03-27-2006, 04:58 AM

Is ok. I'm tired also (after midnight here).

Some useful utilities to catch there are process explorer (it gives you a tree) - and heaps more than MS task manager. And... one or more of the filesystem monitors. I can't remember which I use - but occasionally I need to find out which files are open by what programs.

Sysinternals was famous originally for NTFS4DOS.. back in the late 90s. Mind you, I think it was called NT internals back then.

xepherys · 03-27-2006, 06:24 AM

It could be a flakey Windows install, too. If a core system file gets corrupted, all kinds of strange things can happen to your system. Reinstall windows (even on top of itself). If there's still an issue, I'll toss in my vote for RAM.

sailor · 03-27-2006, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrazyKracka

Ratbastid I've never ran this memtest 86, do I have to make a bootable CD in order to run the program?

Yes, though you can make a bootable floppy disk too. Either way, you make some sort of bootable disk and boot to it, and then let it run its tests. Make sure to let it run through all the way at least once, preferably multiple times. If it comes back with even one error, something is screwy with the memory.

flat5 · 03-27-2006, 02:40 PM

People replying, please note that after a few minutes the system is stable.

Almost certainly a ram problem.

heyal256 · 03-27-2006, 07:11 PM

If the ram checks out, the next step that I would do is to try is to run a "chkdsk /r" I've seen a bad sector on the hd get randomly hit because of swap file usage usually causing lockups or blue screens (usually blue screens tho). Either way once you fix the ram, it's not a bad idea to let windows check out the files (especially the system files) to ttry to fix up the system without doing another reinstall.

KrazyKracka · 03-27-2006, 09:03 PM

Will do. I'm going to get on it tonight, make a disk and run that memtest program. I'll let you guys know what I find!

flat5 · 03-29-2006, 09:38 AM

KrazyKracka, from your first post you indicate the PC takes a few minutes to stabilise. If you have memory that has to "heat up" before
it works, a memory test will not point to the problem.

If you can run the test from DOS, quickly, it may show the memory problem. Let the PC completely cool down before testing.

Good luck.

KrazyKracka · 03-29-2006, 11:41 PM

I must be a dumbass, I can't get this program to work (memtest86)

I don't have a floppy drive on this machine, nor do I have one anywhere in my apartment, but I can't get the damn thing to write to a CD for booting. *sigh*.

is there a memtest86 for dummies anywhere?

heyal256 · 04-02-2006, 07:15 PM

Assuming that you d/l the Iso image from here http://www.memtest86.com/#download0
I'm assuming that you got the zip version, then unzipped the iso image.
After that you should just be able to burn the iso (in nero the option would be something like burn disk from image file). And then boot off the cd that you created. If something else is/isn't happening, just post and someone should be able to figure out what is wrong.

student · 04-03-2006, 06:11 PM

CPU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

03-21-2006, 01:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
KrazyKracka Crazy Location: PA	Anyone Experience these symptoms? 1. Boot PC 2. PC gets to Windows XP logo, and freezes right after the logo disappears. 3. Hit Restart button. 2. PC boots, goes to logon screen, and freezes again. 4. Hit Restart button again. 5. PC boots, goes to logon screen, I logon, and then it freezes just as the desktop starts to show. 6. Hit Restart button again, PC boots and runs normally, without a problem. It just started doing this, and I couldn't find a virus or anything, so I reformatted the machine, only to my dismay it didn't solve any problems at all. Could the CMOS battery be the culprit here? I'm curious because I've never replaced it, and the battery on the board is over a year old. Specs: OS: Windows XP PRO, SP2. Fully updated CPU: Intel P4 @ 3.2GHz RAM: 1.5 GB PC 2700 GFX: BFG 256 MB AGP 8x running Nvidea GEForce 6200 OC Chipset. Board: ASUS P4C800-E HDD: Maxtor 120 GB 7200RPM PATA PSU: 450W (I forget the brand) Running McAfee Internet security 2006, fully updated. I do not have any parts of the machine overclocked. Any help is appreciated, thank you all!

03-21-2006, 06:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
spindles Mine is an evil laugh Location: Sydney, Australia	1 more vote for "ram is most likely culprit" __________________ who hid my keyboard's PANIC button?

03-21-2006, 06:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
AquaFox WaterDog	i vote for it being bill gate's fault .... the ram does seem like it could be it __________________ ...AquaFox...

03-24-2006, 01:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
MexicanOnABike Location: up north	possible dead powersupply? i like that it's the only thing that every fucks up on my pcs. __________________ - Movie Reviews - Ratings-

03-21-2006, 08:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
sashime76 Addict Location: Hoosier State	How many sticks of RAM have you installed? 2 or 3? Leave only one stick and try to boot up. One of them might be faulty. If you have an air compressor, spray out the dust on the fans, power supply. If you have spare hard drive, try installing, booting from it. There are just too many varaiables in a PC and can all cause hang ups like your've described.

03-21-2006, 04:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
KrazyKracka Crazy Location: PA	yes it's very annoying. I have 3 sticks of RAM right now. If I put the machine in standby mode, it will do the same thing, if it stands by for long enough.

03-21-2006, 05:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	I'd be surprised if it was the battery. Generally a dead battery just means the clock is wrong, and the computer takes longer to boot up because it loses the memory of what devices you have. I'm guessing ram as well, although it could definitely be heat.

03-22-2006, 05:01 AM	#7 (permalink)
steveincolumbus Psycho Location: BFE, Kentucky	My guess would be the power supply

03-22-2006, 10:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
KrazyKracka Crazy Location: PA	I like the Bill Gates is to blame reason hahahaha. Hmm... RAM eh? I noticed a couple other things today, when I tried to watch a DVD on the machine, it kept locking up as well, along with when I tried to play WarCraft III. I'll have to pull the RAM sticks out one by one and see what happens. Thanks everyone!

03-23-2006, 12:42 AM	#9 (permalink)
Zar Tilted Location: St. Louis	I had a problem somewhat like this a month or so back, although only in a specialized case. Whenever I'd run a somewhat intensive 3D game (Half-Life 2, The Sims 2, even Civilization), the computer would lock up after a few minutes. After tearing my hair out trying all sorts of software solutions, I finally cracked open the case and took a look inside. Turned out the fan on my video card had bit the dust (heh), and the card was overheating and crapping out. Bought a new fan for 15 bucks, installed it, and no more problems. Don't know if this applies here, as your problem seems more general, but I thought I'd throw it out there. It does definitely sound hardware related though.

03-23-2006, 03:10 AM	#10 (permalink)
Nimetic Junkie Location: Melbourne, Australia	If you have a virus or spyware which is triggered on logon by a registry key (ie a computer setting) ...and that file has been removed by an antivirus program or similar ...then... you might see something like this. IMHO. If you believe this theory, I found a program called "Autoruns Utility" which is useful. "HijackThis" is also interesting. In my case with a similar problem - I was able to remove the offending entry by running in safe mode, or perhaps it was from another login account, I can't remember the exact details.

03-24-2006, 09:58 AM	#11 (permalink)
KrazyKracka Crazy Location: PA	Sounds good where can I get this Autoruns Utility?

03-24-2006, 10:23 AM	#12 (permalink)
ratbastid Darth Papa Location: Yonder	Go download <a href="http://www.memtest86.com/">memtest86</a>. Sounds to me like dying ram.

03-24-2006, 05:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
Nimetic Junkie Location: Melbourne, Australia	Ah. I just checked. Looks like I got it of www.sysinternals.com They have a few neat utilities there by the way. Fairly technical site though (it's been around since early NT days).

04-03-2006, 06:11 PM	#29 (permalink)
student Crazy	CPU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

03-25-2006, 01:48 PM	#15 (permalink)
flat5 Very Insignificant Pawn Location: Amsterdam, NL	If the PC takes awhile to stablize, like 5 to 10 minutes, in my experience this has always been a RAM module problem.

03-25-2006, 04:52 PM	#16 (permalink)
sashime76 Addict Location: Hoosier State	If you get your system up and running, try Sisoft Sandra and run the burn-in test for at least a 24 hour duration. Sounds like your system is fairly new with a fresh installation of Win XP. I'm still banking on one of the hardware components, RAM / Power Supply. Good luck.

03-26-2006, 02:50 AM	#17 (permalink)
KrazyKracka Crazy Location: PA	I'm going to give it a shot here. It will only boot in safe mode now, so the problem is getting worse progressively. If I can actually get it to boot and not lock up, which it is doing at random intervals now, I'll try to run a test on the RAM and see what's happening. I'm just using my laptop right now, and haven't had much time. This just hasn't been a good week for me, the PC died, and the engine decided to blow up in my car two days ago! sigh Thanks again to the TFP members

03-26-2006, 03:01 AM	#18 (permalink)
KrazyKracka Crazy Location: PA	Ratbastid I've never ran this memtest 86, do I have to make a bootable CD in order to run the program?

03-26-2006, 03:06 AM	#19 (permalink)
KrazyKracka Crazy Location: PA	Nimetec, I checked out that site, and you're right, there's a ton of stuff there worth checking out. Sorry, it's late and I'm too lazy to edit my messages, so I'm being a post whore at the moment

03-27-2006, 04:58 AM	#20 (permalink)
Nimetic Junkie Location: Melbourne, Australia	Is ok. I'm tired also (after midnight here). Some useful utilities to catch there are process explorer (it gives you a tree) - and heaps more than MS task manager. And... one or more of the filesystem monitors. I can't remember which I use - but occasionally I need to find out which files are open by what programs. Sysinternals was famous originally for NTFS4DOS.. back in the late 90s. Mind you, I think it was called NT internals back then.

03-27-2006, 06:24 AM	#21 (permalink)
xepherys <3 TFP Location: 17TLH2445607250	It could be a flakey Windows install, too. If a core system file gets corrupted, all kinds of strange things can happen to your system. Reinstall windows (even on top of itself). If there's still an issue, I'll toss in my vote for RAM.

03-27-2006, 02:40 PM	#23 (permalink)
flat5 Very Insignificant Pawn Location: Amsterdam, NL	People replying, please note that after a few minutes the system is stable. Almost certainly a ram problem.

03-27-2006, 07:11 PM	#24 (permalink)
heyal256 Not so great lurker Location: NY	If the ram checks out, the next step that I would do is to try is to run a "chkdsk /r" I've seen a bad sector on the hd get randomly hit because of swap file usage usually causing lockups or blue screens (usually blue screens tho). Either way once you fix the ram, it's not a bad idea to let windows check out the files (especially the system files) to ttry to fix up the system without doing another reinstall.

03-27-2006, 09:03 PM	#25 (permalink)
KrazyKracka Crazy Location: PA	Will do. I'm going to get on it tonight, make a disk and run that memtest program. I'll let you guys know what I find!

03-29-2006, 09:38 AM	#26 (permalink)
flat5 Very Insignificant Pawn Location: Amsterdam, NL	KrazyKracka, from your first post you indicate the PC takes a few minutes to stabilise. If you have memory that has to "heat up" before it works, a memory test will not point to the problem. If you can run the test from DOS, quickly, it may show the memory problem. Let the PC completely cool down before testing. Good luck.

03-29-2006, 11:41 PM	#27 (permalink)
KrazyKracka Crazy Location: PA	I must be a dumbass, I can't get this program to work (memtest86) I don't have a floppy drive on this machine, nor do I have one anywhere in my apartment, but I can't get the damn thing to write to a CD for booting. sigh. is there a memtest86 for dummies anywhere?

04-02-2006, 07:15 PM	#28 (permalink)
heyal256 Not so great lurker Location: NY	Assuming that you d/l the Iso image from here http://www.memtest86.com/#download0 I'm assuming that you got the zip version, then unzipped the iso image. After that you should just be able to burn the iso (in nero the option would be something like burn disk from image file). And then boot off the cd that you created. If something else is/isn't happening, just post and someone should be able to figure out what is wrong.