Tilted Music in Creativity
 

I've tried to get feedback on a couple of original songs in Tilted Music. The threads get buried because I'd bet that most people over there aren't interested in critiquing music.

What about a Tilted Music over in the Creativity forum? I'd like to hear what other people are doing musically speaking. Who knows, maybe we could get a collaboration going.

I like the idea! I don't do much with creating music (aside from my obnoxious pencil tapping in class or at work), but I'd love to hear what fellow TFPers are creating amongst musical lines.

hmm ... ...

now that is a good idea...

cause one of my mates have recently done up a album...

and i've bn wondering where in TFP i could post a link to his website...

so other ppl could enjoy the music.

Tilted Tunes.

Of course, I would imagine that posters would need to supply their own space since MP3s can get out of hand.

I think it's a great idea.

Sounds like an excellent idea to me.

i know its only a couple of days old, but...

**BUMP**

does anyone in authority wanna comment???

(no offence MrSelfDestruct, but doesn't really tell us much)

I'll gladly offer my services to help moderate such a beast (I'd need some assistance since I would not be able to devote 100% of my time to it) ... don't know if that helps or not.

I was just about to suggest the same thing. I figured "I better do a search", so jumped in the forum and lo and behold its the second item.
The only problem I can think of is the file hosting.

"Tilted Tunes" is a good name. I was thinking "Tilted Composition"

this would indeed be a fine thing to have around.
the yes yes response
which is, dale carnegie tells us, all you can really hope for out of any social interaction.

I will bring it up in staff.....give us a few to discuss it.

Will get back to 'ya.

I don't even remember posting that. I have no idea what I meant by it, but it was most likely intended to say I found the idea intriguing and worthy of further discussion. We're discussing it right now.

Yeah it's a pretty good idea. It'd need moderators though. It should have a bit of a guideline too. Like a post requirement that I see on other forums. For example replying to at least 1 or 2 other posts before posting your own. That way everyone gets a reply. I've moderated/co-admined at 1 or 2 ezboard forums in the past that enforced this rule. The only flaw with it is that sometimes people see the replies more as a chore than a informative critique and as a result try and give half ass responses like "Well that was pretty cool." or "I didn't really like it." which makes it sound like they never even really listened to it just pretended to to have the necessary reply. That is where moderators would have to come in to make sure that the replies are actually informative and show that the work was indeed given a good listen. This will encourage more posting and create a positive environment for the posters in that forum. Also there would have to be made known the fine line between negative/constructive critism and border-line insults. Great idea I'll have more to say later.

Asta!!

Ooh, OOH! *waves hand in the air* i'd be keen to mod this, even tho I'm still kinda newbie here. :D
If I'm not suitable, don't pick me, but consider me volunteering. I'm a musician and a long-time music appreciator with wide tastes and influences. </plug>
I'm not too sure about this reply requirement idea, I know where its coming from, but I don't think it'd be that much of an issue on the tilted forum, but I suppose we'll see where that goes.

I only suggested the reply idea because no one will want to post work that no one will reply to. And since it would be a smaller forum, possibly with not many posters inside of it, replies may be in short supply. I've seen posts venture off into page 2 with 0 replies in Tilted Literature and I think it's just a shame. People will still post there yes but after a while that could get to people and it could hurt the forum(If it's created that is). It takes a lot of time to not only write a song, but to record it, then find someone to host it as well. People would be investing a lot of their time in it. If the posters had a mutual understanding that if someone posts, they of course would like a response and because of this provided a response to as many as they can then there would be no need for such a rule. Not always the case though...Whether it's Apathy, they don't really care to review the work in the first place, they don't like it so rather than say that they choose to say nothing, they don't have time, etc. they will find an excuse not to respond..Perhaps maybe think "I don't really feel like replying to anyone elses work right now I'll just post mine and reply to the others later." but then never get around to doing it. People don't like to feel like they're wasting their time and if they see something like Replies: 0, Views: 27 that makes them feel like no one really gives a damn about what they're doing and will be hesitant to post again in the future because of it. Thats all that I'm saying. It will do more good then harm..I'm not sure any harm could come from such a rule mind you but I can't say it's flawless..I don't know that for sure either.

Asta!!

In a way..this kind of supports my theory/idea. Makes you wonder if a forum like it could take off though because of that last sentence..Technically thats all you do in the Music forum...Critique other peoples music...it should make sense that the posters wouldn't mind critiquing each others music, it's pretty much the same thing. Only difference is none of us are famous. So why is it that when someone posts their work in there suddenly the posters aren't interested? I think(hope) that if the forum were created we'd find there are more people interested in it then we had originally thought.

Asta!!

You are correct on the technicality. However, I don't see a lot of critiques going on in Tilted Music ... just opinions. I would hope that a forum such as the one I have proposed would help me and other posters create better music through honest feedback.

Your concern over replies is very legitimate. This forum would certainly have fewer visitors than Tilted Music. But I would hope that the quality of replies would be better. Let me also say that there are some great threads over in Tilted Music though.

I'd just like to see less opinions and more honest critiques. Or any feedback on original music for that matter. Also, the potential for online collaboration is something I am very interested in.

This is a GREAT idea.

I for one would definately take part in this, I am not in a band and I do not play anything, but I compose music electronically. That is to say I write MIDIs. And i would love to see what people think of them.

Yeah, all of what vanblah and kWise say is true. There do seem to more 'opinions' than actual feedback, although there hasn't yet been an explicit call for contructive feedback yet.
Yeah this is also a big one for me.

I would recommend all truly interested in this, begin to submit Ideas as to format,rules and regs.....not that we ever listen to you guys....heh.

We are reviewing the Idea, and will look to this thread for recommendations.
This is by no means a given, but is showing some life .

I'd keep it fairly simple. I don't know if we could enforce a reply rule (based on submitting a song for critique) since not everyone can actually record their own music. And there are probably some people here who could offer positive feedback, but don't actually write.

Insults would not be tolerated. (we shouldn't even have to say this). So we lay out very clear ground rules about what is and is NOT constructive criticism. ie. 'Your song sounds like <i>blahblahblah</i> and I hate that/them so you suck' is NOT constructive.

In other words, don't post a reply if you don't like the song or style of music.

Try to be as specific as possible with criticism. ie. rather than just say the singer is out of tune, point out specific areas (times) when the singer is out of tune. Or the beat is off or whatever.

You don't have to have anything good to say about a song, but it would need to be said with positive feedback in mind.

On the other hand, if you think a song is perfect then feel free to say it. Give examples about how it is perfect.

Well the reply rule would only apply to those actually posting their material..not those that are there simply for critiquing. At first you're going to have more people that are there to post songs than give actual critiques and if everyone is just posting their songs up and don't have to reply they may choose not to and again the positive feedback and critiquing that the forum would be created for would be missing. Some people have different reasons for doing it. Sometimes they want someone to reply to them before they give a reply to someone else and will only reply to the people who've given them a reply. For example..I also post at www.undergroundhiphop.com and they have audio and text forum as well but if you take a look at the song section here you'll notice they DON'T have a reply rule and as a result half of the threads have zero replies and will more than likely get no more than 5 total. Also there is only one page of threads...no one wants to post there. Because no one replies. I will say that the maturity level here at TFP is definitely MUCH higher than that of Ughh because we're all adults here so it may not be the same scenario but thats just an example of what CAN happen when you don't enforce a reply rule. If that happened it could become a dead forum on TFP and will make the Admin's regret creating it in the first place.

Yes thats exactly what I said before about the replies it's definitely crucial. Perhaps tags like over in the TB forum to describe the type of music would be good. There could be a punk tag to let someone know that you will find punk music in that thread, a throwback classic rock tag, a prog rock, hip-hop tag, electronica tag, etc. could be helpful...I've noticed that the TFP is a pretty eclectic musical environment though so they probably wouldn't really be needed just fun to use...Of course instead of those you could just simply describe it in the thread title also.

Ya know it would really suck if we're sitting here discussing this and coming up with ideas and then they decide not to make it after all :|. Oh well...what can ya do?

Asta!!

Perhaps we could start without a reply rule, and see how everyone fares, and if the scenario arises where no-one wants to respond then we can create a reply rule. I'm confident in this community's ability to maintain a good level of constructive feedback, but maybe thats just me...

I'd love to see this idea kick-off. I produce a mountain of tunes every week that require more than just my close mates' feedback.

I think that might be an even better idea there. How long would we wait though just curious? I don't think it's just you. I feel the same way I just don't wanna be wrong about it ya know?

Asta!!

a probably stupid question:

the collective i am part of is using our website to release new material when we decide we like it enough to release.
since our pieces are often quite long, you see, it makes more sense that way for us---and given that the distribution networks that had been making experimental music available have been collapsing one after the other, it seems that this is the only reasonable alternative.
so posting new music would amount to posting the weblink over and over
would this create undue confusion?

it looks like the next thing will be a resoundtracking of the film "decasia" at the end of the month--the piece(s) will be around 70 minutes--i dont imagine that mp3s of this size could be posted here many times without creating bandwidth problems, yes? no? opinions?

on the rules for commentary thing: i would think that starting out with minimal rules and shaping/making more as things unfold makes most sense. to me at least.

These are a few of the issues we are working on.

You might need to go back and edit old posts to let people know that the music has changed.

For those who don't have space it will certainly be an issue. I don't know what the limitations are at TFP so I don't really have an answer other than people should try to host their own MP3s and link to them through the forum.

A lot of the guys I know have soundclick.com pages and link them from there.

www.soundclick.com

Asta!!

any movement on this?
we are gearing up for a new performance/set of recordings in a few weeks, and i'd be quite interested in letting the results out through here before we post it to ubu.....

I also think this would be a sweet idea. My cousin and I make music, and I think a forum like this would be an awesome place to get ideas, critique peoples music, and maybe even obtain samples and collaborate!

Unfortunately....the powers that be have measured the demand vs. resourse use and decided this will have to wait a bit. It is not dead, but it is not in the game plan for the coming month. We will re-evaluate the Idea in time.

ok then.....a question:

the next clairaudient thing will happen 6 feb and is a soundtrack for a film.
we'll post the recording(s) not long thereafter and would be interested in getting feedback from here before we post it to ubu.com (a huge experimental music/sound poetry webarchive/site that is one of the ways we get our stuff to a wider public),


suggestions about where i should post it?
we'll use our website as a vehicle for the recordings--the mp3 would be far too big to post here.

maybe if we and a few other folk who are interested in the same kind of thing post our newer stuff in the same forum, it could operate as a kind of test run for the potential music forum? a test marketing run? some of the questions of protocol discussed above would be easiest to think about coherently as a result of some kind of test run in any event, imethinks.

Lemme check....will let you know

For now, it's artwork.