Cleveland Rocks Baby
 

Where did their f#cking pitching come from?

The bats are awakening and they are getting primed ........ Chisox better not so much as hiccup or they are finished.

The Twins are already has beens and falling.

Indians make a trade for a solid bat and it's over 1994 is back and '95 is coming up...... CLEVELAND ROCKS.

Maybe Dolan will sell now...... and we'll get an owner not scared to pay for that player or 2 we need to go to the series.

Just wish Cincy would get their shit together and fucking play up to their ability and talent. get rid of Miley and get a real manager in there.

9 in a row baby
 

bring on the Bosux and that fat ass Wells tomorrow.

Booyah just wish we had a BIG BAT to go with the pitching.

Good luck to the Indians. With the way Chicago and Minnesota are playing, it'll be a fun race if they keep it up.

Since the Orioles are going to end up running away with the AL East, I might be able to pay attention to that more :D

Where the Hell did Baltimore come from this season......

Good Job O'birds....... keep it up watch them Yanks and Bosux implode when they aren't winning and all those prima donnas are having tantrums.

Wow. What lunacy!

See you boys in October. Oh wait, no we won't. :D

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Well said, dylanmarsh!

The smack folks talk in June, eh........ :lol:

We'll see when the Indians sweep 3 games from the Bosux this week.

BOOYAH........ then we'll see who talks smack....

2nd lowest ERA in the majors, best record since May 8th..... 11 outta 12.... come get some Beantown Chowderheads..... and check those prima donna attitudes at the door ..... You play the JAKE this week and we don't put up with players that need manicures and their hairstylists in their lockerrooms ready to make sure those dreds stay perfect..... (being sarcastic just talking smack.... not trying to offend or truly say Manny brings his manicurist and stylist on road trips with him)

come get some.........

Baltimore's 4-4 vs. Boston this year (not to mention 5-1 vs. New York, as well as 10-9 vs. Boston last year :D)

Boston had their chance over the past month and a half when the Orioles lost Erik Bedard (aka their best starter), Javy Lopez (aka their catcher), and Larry Bigbie, Luis Matos, and Sammy Sosa (aka their entire starting outfield) for various lengths of time.

All should be back by the All-Star Break, and then we'll see who's talking smack in October :p

You might not say that...but I would :D

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: getting me in trouble.... hey a Tribe - O birds ALCS would be cool... both of us had Mike Hargrove as managers.... both of us had Albert don't call me Joey Belle.... both of our stadiums are a lot alike....

be a damn good series.

Lol that's right cause you guys will be home in October..... crying....

Damn these guys win 1 world series in what 80-90 years and they think they're a powerhouse again.....lol ........ na na na na na na hey hey hey goodbye......

No Schilling, no Pedro, no Lowe....... Foulke is barely doing his job...... and Manny will space out on the basepaths and cost you a few games..... lol

And STILL 8 games over .500! Amazing!

Now if I can only find those hip-waders.................. :p

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. It's always fun to laugh so hard at the rest of the AL in October that you end up crying, while waiting for the Cardinals to arrive at Fenway for the World Series.

Any team with Casey Blake in RF and a guy at SS with a .960 FPCT will be battling KC for fourth in July, not Minnesota for first. That said, I do like the Sizemore kid.

Oh, and here's further proof that one needs to leave Cleveland in order to win anything: http://www2.townonline.com/images/By...ic04012005.jpg
Ellis Burks says hello.

So now Cleveland and Boston are tied 1-1 in World Championships since 1918. Congratulations :D

Actually, the Sox are looking to tie it up as the Indians won it in both 1920 and 1948. Now, if we're talking the 21st century, Cleveland has a long ways to go! :D

Ah yes and if we're talking my lifetime the Bosux have a long way to go to catch up to my Cincinatti REDS tho '75 (who was that against????? oh yeah the Bosux),'76 (crushed a supposedly great Yankee team), '90 (destroyed that A's team that was oooo so powerful).....

And who has had more HOF players go through their town ........ that's right the Cleveland Indians.......... 13 Indians - 11 Bosux ahahahahahaha


Cleveland
Averill
Boudreau
Covelski
Doby
Feller
Flick
Joss
Lajoie
Lemon
Sewell
Speaker
Wynn
Young


Bosux
Boggs
Collins
Cronin
Doerr
Ferrell
Fisk
Foxx
Grove
Hooper
Yaz
Williams


And ummmmmmm Cy Young's bust in the HOF has the CLEVELAND insignia on it......lol.... Eckersly played for both but was so drunk he doesn't remember Cle.... and he showed his appreciation to Boston by wearing an A's hat.

Boston is so bad the Braves had to leave to win.

Course, my Boston brothers it could be worse you could be the Phillies, the Pirates, Detroit, or one of the Chicago teams...... oh wait at least Chicago supports 2 teams..... ahahahahaha

I heard you guys in Ohio swing both ways but I never thought it was true. Thanks for clearing that up. :thumbsup:

Yawn.

I forget - what is 2005-1948? Oh yea, 57. :lol:

57 is a far cry from 87 isn't it????? and in those 87 years Cleveland won the ring 2 times...... and the Reds have 5..... lol you have a long way baby see you in 87 years.

How many division titles does Boston have in the last 10 years??????? To Cleveland's 6.

Aw well, I'd rather be from Ohio and root for true heart and soul teams like the Reds and Indians and fight for all we have, than be the Yankees bald headed stepchild and only be able to win because the Yankees have a breakdown..... like Boston.

PS: as for Ellis Burks, I am extremely happy he deserved to be on a winning WS team, the guy is true class......

Okay, a few corrections and points to be made here:

• The Reds beat the Red Sox in '75, not '76. (I see you've since corrected it)

• Somehow I doubt the Indians would have beat the Yankees out for any of the division titles if the played in the AL East for the last 10 years.

• Wells is not a fat ass, he's just big boned. :D

• Ellis Burks is a classy guy, now, but was a primadona for many of his ML years.

• It's been 86 years between championships for God's team not 87.

• The Braves departed Boston because of a sagging economy and the inability to compete with the Red Sox for the fan base. This scenario is similar to the Indians competing with Disney On Ice during the late 1980's. I am shocked that the Indians held on and weathered that storm.

My typing got ahead of my brain and I did confuse 75 and 76 originally.

In the 90's with Belle, Thome, Ramirez, Lofton, and company we owned the Yankees and I believe (I maybe wrong and I am sure you will correct me) 5 of the 6 years we won the division we had the best record in the AL.

Wells is a fat ass drunk.....lol and I am sure if he were a Yankee you'd agree.

Yeah Ellis was a major pain, but so was Franco, Lofton, Belle, Winfield and so on but except for Belle they all eventually grew up.

As for the 80's yeah, but one must admit that Cleveland was playing really bad baseball. (And yet their all time winning %age is not that far behind the Bosux... and ranks in the top 10 in baseball.... imagine if the 70's and 80's had produced a few .500 teams where they'd be).

As for Disney on Ice.... that was a myth.... truth is they had extremely poor owners that couldn't afford and had no right owning a team..... Gabe Paul took half the team to build the 70's Yankees..... ARt Modell and his Stadium Corp. raped the Indians in rent, and Cleveland is always one of the first to get hit hardest in recessions and one of the last to pull out....

But I still love them and my Reds..... we'll never be the Yankees bald headed step children like Boston.....

PS I have to take advantage of this now because once we start playing the AL and not beating up on NL teams.... our lousy hitting and the fact we have a jerkoff for an owner will start to shine through like a full moon through an outhouse.

Wells can't even hold a 3-1 lead (thanks to a Manny HR).

3 runs in the 4th BABY to take the lead 4-3

Wells is a LOSER......

Of course CC is falling apart also and can't throw anything but a fastball down the middle.

EASY BRO

C-Bus in the hizzzouse


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It's all good

just getting in the ish blabbing

No, I agree with you, now. Over-eating, functional drunks make for great 3rd starters.

Still without a championship since the Truman administration?

All kidding and sports aside, which industries are most successful there?

As much as it has sucked over the years, getting beat down by the Yankees was the best thing to happen to the Sox. It's amazing how a change in attitude and ownership has made all the difference in the world. I firmly believe the Yankees run is over.

so much for your precious sweep


and while I'm here.. I hardly think a 2 game lead constitues running away from the rest of the division (Baltimore)

Cleveland had the luxury of playing against the crappy NL West. The Pads are going to win that division with 85 wins. Now that they are playing real teams we see what happened.

Damn it was so frustrating to see the DBacks' starters throw back to back complete games and still lose.

I truly never saw the charm Wells has. He's not my type of pitcher never have liked the man.

Perhaps, but only 64 wins seperate the Tribe and Bosux from having the same record. A couple of .500 years instead of those 90-100 loss years we had and we'd have a better overall record than you... when was your last 100+ win season?????


None right now (it was built on steel and manufacturing and the old school money and power that be in that city refuse to invest in anything else). Akron is the only city in this area getting away from manufacturing and investing in polymer research (University of Akron is one of the best Polymer tech schools out there).


I think if the Yankees start to truly decline and this is not just a hiccup, you'll see Steinbrenner start agreeing that a cap is needed and MLB will have one.

Hey as an Indian fan, I hate the Yankees as much as you Boston fans do..... and to think the owner of the Yankees is from Cleveland and tried to buy the Indians but Stouffer wouldn't budge on price and the club was on the edge of bankruptcy..... so why overpay? Especially when the Yankees became available for an extremely cheap price.

I think if anything the renaisance of the 90's shows Cleveland to be a great baseball town, we just need an owner that will spend some money and at least try to let us contend instead of make excuses why he won't spend money and keep payroll way below even the ML average.

why are boston people being dicks... they have the pats they have titles. Cleveland really has nothing... the browns have not won a title since the 50's, have never made a super bowl. Jose Mesa stoped the Indians from winning anything. And Micheal outshinned Mark Price to keep them away from a NBA title. Give Cleveland something to talk about

Friendly banter, amigo. Not trying to be a "dick".

No dicks here, look who started the thread. When someone pops off about their teams pitching and then they promptly give up 10 runs rather than "sweep" I think the Boston fans who have been called bosux throughout the thread should be allowed to defend themselves. Bringing the Pats into it is just silly, at least the indians are competetive with the Sox.

Did I not say this was a trash talk little thread I started just to have some fun.... As I write this the Bosux are destroying my Indians 8-2.

Course my Reds are trashing the Cards so it evens out.

smack kills................ :lol:

At least you don't claim the Devil Rays as one of your teams. 20-11, Jesus.

well, hmmm.......perhaps if that score were reversed.





Sorry pan. You can beat me up in July.............. :thumbsup:

Yes we should be able to defend ourselves. Considering all the smack we hear from Skankees fans and any team in the NL all year every year... although, I'm not hearing much smack being talked from Skankee fans this year.. wonder why?? :D


Cleveland is just having a good streak..well they were until they met up with my Sox. They aren't going to cause much fuss when it counts. I'd also bet that Baltimore won't have much when it comes time to truly shine.

Is it wrong for me to cheer for the Blue Jays?

it's really not wrong to cheer for any team.. well ok it's wrong to cheer for the Skanks

SWEEP!
 

Alright everyone, pick your favorite broom and let's sweep the Indians:

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At least there's one thing we can ALL agree on...

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Tell me that isn't extraordinarally creepy.

That is just damn scary... get a room boys.

Ah it was so nice to have 1 day this season I could talk smack .... now back to rooting for my 2 Ohio teams that will head nowhere.

Whataya talkin about....Palookaville is a destination................... :lol:

Hmmmm which one should we get ready for tomorrow?????? :lol: :lol: :lol:

12-8 with 7 runs in the last 2 innings..... a Grand salami off Foulke and a 1-2-3 pitch you're out 9th........ :lol: :lol: :lol:

7-0 3 hit shutout...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cleveland Rocks and is owning the BoSux in their own house.

too bad we don't play each other more this could make for a truly great rivalry.

YAAAAWWWWNNNN!!! :lol:

edit: and yes, something needs to give with Foulke. Either a fake trip to the DL or the Sox need to explore some the trade options for bullpen help.

I used to be a huge Indians fan in the days of Thome, Vizquel, Colon and Ramirez but have strayed away some due to alot of work in the summer time. It's good to see them get back in the swing of things.

Hafner belted the Tigers to help them go to a 20-7 record their past 27. If they can keep it up, which I still think they might be a year and a pitcher a way, they could sneak into the wildcard. Don't think there is a chance in hell of getting caught up to the white sox.

Since Bosux's sweep

2 of 3 from Cincy

2 of 3 from Bosux

3 of 4 from the O birds (who are free falling)

2 of 2 ( with 2 to go) from Det.

9 for 12 witha a 9 game win strek before that

18 for 21 that 6/7 that's a win%age of .8571

Granted they can't keep that up but fuck that's a great way to go into the All Star break......

Esp. if they sweep Det. and even taking 1 of 3 from the weak Yankees this weekend makes it 21/26 a win%age of .8076

But I'd love to see them sweep NY and go into the break with a 23/26 record...... .8846...... let's see anyone else (except maybe freaking Chisux) top that this season. Course with 81 games left and if they could maintain that win % throughout the rest of the year they'd win 72 of their last 81 games.....lol 72-9 for the second half......impossible, noone can do that.

Wow. Keep those drugs away from me. I like staying in touch with reality. :crazy:

speaking of reality...


can we PLEASE do something with suck ass Foulke now?? Damn.. wtf is up with him? He must be gettin some of that pussy that makes you weak

Yea, I fully expect Theo to do something big before the deadline. Everyone is talking Billy Wagner and even Eddie Guardado. I just hope the Sox don't tear a part the farm just to get a replacement. I have a feeling it will take a three team trade like last year to find adequate bullpen help. Personally, I'd love to see Kyle Farnsworth be rescued from Detroit. Don't be surprised to see Kelly Shoppach or even (gasp) Hanley Ramirez be moved by July 31st.

Shoppach is a sure bet for moving. I don't know if Foulke should go.. maybe just send him to the same club Shill is at to see what's going on. It has to be a mechanics issue or something. I just can't figure it out and I know it's pissing him off (not to mention every Boston fan he pretty much ridiculed with the "JoeBurgerKing" comment). I'm just sick of letting easy wins or even close wins go. We should have a healthy lead but no... he's playing like a fuckin yankee. Grrr!

I was really watching him last night and I couldn't see anything that was tipping off his pitches. I also didn't see him miss too many spots, aside from hitting Soriano after going 0-2 with him. I know TX has a solid offense but Foulke has to be doing something that is letting the hitters know what is coming. Unfortunately, Flouke is a two-pitch guy and he isn't fooling anyone, right now.

Guardado is my pick for the Sox' bullpen remedy. I don't know if Seattle will bite, though for Shoppach. On an interesting note about steady Eddie, the M's actually tried to dump in the off-season but he picked up his end of a mutual option and stayed.

I do know that his velocity is down. With his style of pitching that's a huge problem. He can't get around on anything if his speed is down.(although I'm sure Soriano doesn't mind) I was watching him also but I didn't see anything that would really tip the hitters off. It's a mystery to me and I'm sure it is to the BoSox staff as well. Just fix it already :D

I don't know about Guardado. I haven't paid as much attention as I should have because I really thought Foulke was just in a slump and that Embryee would post the numbers he usually does. I guess I was wrong. I just hope Theo has been looking around. I do know that at the SF game the other day there were 5 or 6 scouts there and Boston had one there as well. Schmidt could definately help out but we'll see what happens. For now, my only solice is that Shill hit 96 mph the other night. :D

The nice thing about Schmidt is that he is only under contract through 2005 with a club option for 2006. I wouldn't mind seeing him in the closer's role, although he might be resistant due to the disparity between a closer's salary and a starter's. I have a feeling he will cost the Sox at least Arroyo and Shoppach, if not more. Like I said, I think Theo will work he magic with another team in the mix like last summer's Nomar deal (Cubs-Twins-Sox).

I think you're right about Theo. He's definately got something planned, I just wish I knew what it was. I'd hate to get rid of Arroyo. I like the kid and think he can be a productive pitcher in the long run. Maybe we could get Lowe back but that doesn't really help the closer issue. (wishful thinking anyone?) I just think Theo needs to go ahead and strike first before the flopping yanks pull something out of their ass like they usually do.

The Bosux getting schmidt? Lol you really want to self destruct don't you.

Your best bet is to try to get Halladay from Toronto or see iff Webb or Penny are available. Schmidt's velocity is dropping and his mechanics are in the shitter as he tries to make up for it. Short term for the run, maybe Schmidt can help an AL club, but the long term effect wouldn't justify the high cost in prospects. Boston is not prospect rich and that trade could bankrupt their future and they would end up like the Yankees. Old, weighted down with overpaid players, no farm system and no way to get rid of the dead weight because the pay is too high.

Houston maybe wanting to trade Clemens...... imagine Clemens finishing in a Bosux uni...... that would be a nice thing to see.

while it would be nice to see Clemens back in a BoSox uni, it will NEVER happen. I just don't think Rodger would even consider it. Right now it seems like it's the Sox of a different color who are front runners to get Rodger. I just don't see how he's still worth it. Yeah he's still good but he's too much of a pain in the ass to justify the means (holy shit am I really saying this?).

If the Chisox get Clemens I can almost guarantee the Indians making a massive move.

Problem with Chicago they don't have the money or a good farm system.

But then again the year they are having, it might be worth it to them to sacrifice their future for Clemens, but I see them more in desperate need of hitting. They already have the great pitching and don't need the prima donna.

Perhaps if Baltimore starts falling farther down they can get Roberts or Gibbons.

The Indians I don't see doing too much except maybe trying to tweek 3rd base or LF hitting. But even then I don't see it happening unless Chicag or Minnesota makes a move.

And Minnesota maybe the true rogue in what they'll do. I can see them adding a Clemens or Schmidt on one hand and on the other I can see them being massive sellers and getting rid of Jones, Stewart and even Santana for the right prices.

If boston truly wants to win they'll try to get Dunn, Pena or Casey from the REDS.

Why would Boston get Dunn, Pena or Casey?? We don't need players in those spots. The players we have in those spots are doing fine. We need pitching not offense.


Edit: Oh and Minnesota would be STUPID!!! to get rid of Jones.

The Diamondbacks will never part with Webb; real cheap and a great arm. I'm I'd like Penny but Halladay seems unattainable.

Schmidt would be entirely a short-term acquisition. He looked like crap the last time I saw him but maybe a change of scenery would do him good.

The Sox farm system is acutally very, very deep, now. Theo's been building up since he took over in 2003. If they want to spend some of the talent on the farm, they could, but I doubt Theo and the trio will do it.

Getting back to Foulke, I was looking at his situational stats this morning and his ERA from pitch 1-15 is 0.67. From pitch 16-30 it is 13.46. That's an amazing disparity. On the other hand, Mike Timlin maintains a pretty consistent ERA during his appearances: 1-15 = 1.42; 16-30 = 2.89. I say stick with Timlin until he proves he can't perform in the closer's role. I maintain that Farnsworth is the best option, although probably not the cheapest.

Timlin scares me.. he always has. I guess it'd couldn't be any worse though :D So I'd say you are right on with this one.

Dunn would be a phenomenal pick-up. He's in the same mold of Bellhorn (high strike-out/OBP hovering around .400), except he can actually hit. In fact, the majority of Dunn's strike-out come with nobody out and nobody on. He's a great situational hitter. A line-up of Damon, Rent, Papi, Manny and then Dunn would be effing scary. My guess is that Cincy would only part with him if the Sox took someone else's salary (*gasp* Milton?). I'm not big on that but perhaps they could get a decent pitcher out of it, just not off of the Reds' roster. Hence the third team theory.

But where the fuck would Dunn fit in other than a bat?? Unless he rotated with Nixon or something I don't see how it would work.

Dunn would take over for the useless piece of flash, Kevin Millar. (I hate him so. :mad: ) Also, I'm not so sure Trot's back will hold out for the whole season. If that's the case, Dunn replaces Millar and Payton replaces Trot, which keeps the balance of lefties and righties in the line-up.

I thought Dunn was an outfielder?? I mean it just seems like a stretch to put an outfielder at first. (maybe not) I understand the feelings for Millar but at least he does keep everyone on the club loose. That's about all I can say about him -- at least in a nice manner.

Boston does need the pitching, I just don't see anyone that can truly help you out there...... except maybe Clemens.

I'm sure if Boston doesn't take them someone will (sadly), perhaps Baltimore will be a buyer. Cleveland may even be a buyer off Cincy, as word is if they can keep up winning and contending for the WC ownership has given Shapiro the ok to spend money on what he feels would get them there. And Dunn/Pena/ Casey would definately help.

And you are telling me you would truly rather have Millar at 1st than Casey?

Or Nixon than have Dunn or Pena in LF and move Manny back to his natural spot in RF? LOL....Ok then.

I didn't say Minn. would dump anyone, in fact they could be buyers.... highly doubtful tho.

I just see the scenario in Minn. as this: Minnesota ownership wanting to dump Jones and Stewart and even Johan. You forget the owner truly wants out of Minneapolis. And Las Vegas is offering a lot of money I'm sure. You dump the stars and make chances slim and none to win the fan base disolves and moving becomes a legitimate answer.

Pan: I like Nixon, I think he's a solid player. Yeah you make some good points and now I'm rethinking my theory.. damn you!! :D I guess the reason I wasn't thinking about the issue at first is because we have Olerud. The man is good and steady. Get rid of Millar and let Olerud be the main kid.. wouldn't be bad in my eyes.

I hate the fact my REDS would have to give up such talents, but their farm system is in shambles and the players they have don't seem to get the job done.

They are in desperate need of pitching and solid hitting that is more even. You can't keep winning games 10-8 and then losing the next 3, 5-0. It seems like their offense gets hot streaks and then freezes. And the pitching can't be relied upon to do anything, so CIny's hitting has to be more disciplined and steady.

Here's some trade talk news from today:

From www.fanball.com:

As much as I hate to see it, I predict the Washington club to just add anyone and everyone they can, solely because they want to pique interest in DC and need to sell the team....... and a winner will do that.

In all honesty I wouldn't be surprised if we see Wash win the WS.

Washington won't win it. Unless there's something under the table going on.. wait.. ok yeah Washington will win the WS

The thought of Christan Guzman getting a World Series ring sickens me. On top of that, a team OWNED by MLB should not be in the position to win the WS. Fortunately, the Red Sox are still around and will sweep right through the Expos, er, Nationals in October, if it should come to that. :D

What farm are you referring to? Their system is for the most part devoid of real prospects (aside from Hanley Ramirez). I haven't kept track of their guys this year but Baseball America basically said that it was a joke going into this season.


I doubt Halladay is available, even if he is the price would be sky high. There is no way in hell that Webb is available. AZ has plans on him being the anchor of their rotation for years to come. Same with Penny, the Dodger pitching just plain sucks and he's the only one that doesn't.

Schmidt is high risk/high reward and he just isn't worth the risk (thanks Dusty). That said, if you can get him on the cheap, go for it. Just don't expect too much.

Dunn has played some 1B and some RF almost every year in the MLB. If he made the switch to 1B, he'd be one of the best 1B in MLB. Millar just doesn't have the numbers to play 1B. A .732 OPB is just pathetic. Dunn has a .952 OPS and is on pace for 40+ HR and 110BB.

I'm looking forward to this 4 game set with the Indians, let the BoSox and O's beat themselves up....all I'm worried about is the Yankees taking over second and keeping the Sox within 4 games. That'll set up a nice post all-star game series.

It'll be Millwood v.s. Mussina on Thursday, Millwood has been hot and Moose is coming off a great game in Detroit, should be a good match-up. I know the whole Indian's offense has been hot but Hafner worries me the most...the guy is on a rampage. Although, Giambi seems to be getting his confidence back and A-Rod seems to have got his stroke back against Bmore and has hit well at home all year....so Cleveland should worry too.

In short, bring it on Cleveland :thumbsup:

I just thought I'd bring this up in that along with Tejada, Mora, and Bedard, Roberts is the one guy we are absolutely positively not trading, even if we lose every game until the deadline.

Here's hoping the yanks don't even make the playoffs... my what a funny thing that would be. :D

Bill Simmons wrote a good article on Page2 the other day about how Steinbrenner has been MIA during the recent MFY bout of suckiness. It is really strange how he has hardly been public about the MFYs' current situation. Like Bill says, old George woulda started killing folks and then ask questions later.

Hanley Ramirez, Jon Lester, Jon Papelbon, Dustin Pedroia, Cla Meredith, and Anibal Sanchez will all be on a major league roster within the next two seasons. Not to mention Craig Hansen, the fire-baller from St. John's, who the Sox drafted this year. So, yes, the Sox' farm system is pretty deep, at the moment. After the trade deadline, who knows.

That's a great article. My theory is that George has finally realized his money is shit and he fucked up this time..and big. So allow me to twist the knife back on him.

edit: I saw today where the BoSox are eye'ing Guardado. I can't see the article though because it's part of the Insider. I don't have an account.

My theory on George is that he has some sort of debilitating medical condition that he is forced to be in the shadows instead of the spotlight. Purely speculation, but I could see something Alzheimer's removing him from power. I really hope that isn't that case, as much as I HATE the MFYs.

Re: Guardado, I'm not sure he's the answer but it certainly couldn't hurt bringing him aboard. I know he has a no-trade clause that encompasses 10 teams, including the Red Sox. Evidentially, he is a West Coast guy and owns a home in California.

I WANT KYLE FARNSWORTH BY JULY 31ST. Farnsworth's numbers are sick, including a lifetime .217 AVG against the MFY with zero HRs.

I'm sorry (yes this is going to sound cruel) but I couldn't care less what's wrong with him. He deserves it for all the shit he put on other people. He made people feel like shit, he didn't care about people and he boasted about it. Now it's his turn to be shit on.

Here's the latest:

Ramon Vazquez to Cleveland for Alex Cora
Jay Payton has been designated for assignment

Also Peter Gammons' nuggets of info on ESPNEWS:

-Sox looking at a bullpen pitcher for Jay Payton
-There is no market for Millar right now, source of controversy in the clubhouse
-Eddie Guardado won't go to Boston
-Sox will not trade one of 5 top prospects for a RP

No market for Millar is sort of an understatement isn't it?

Alex Cora is a good pickup for the Sox. Great defensive middle infielder and not half bad with the stick either, though his average sucks. Probably having trouble adjusting to the AL pitching. Remember that 18 pitch at bat last year which culminated in a home run? I won't soon forget that.

Now the buzz is all about Curt being a reliever for the Sox. I don't like the idea at all. That's not his role. That's not his style. Sure it worked for Smoltz but I don't see it working for Shill at all. Curt needs way too many warm up pitches to get loose. I can see Arroyo doing some but don't like that much either. The Sox are just gonna have to come off some money and make a good deal late. I'd rather have Curt as an ace any day and I think he deserves to keep that role given what he did for the Sox last season.

Minus the Arroyo part, I agree with you completely. Don't get me wrong, I love Arroyo and his style, but I doubt he will become any better than he is now. If shipping Bronson and a prospect means fixing the bullpen, then I'm all for it. It better be a damn good deal for damn good player, though.

I'd really hate to see Arroyo go but I also didn't want Cabrera to go. Now I'm glad he did go. I read a Page 2 article that called the BoSox players idiots for not wanting Curt to be a closer. Why is that idioic? They know how Curt can pitch and they know what his style is like. I think the author of the article is an idiot. How's them apples? :p

Anyway, I'm getting anxious to see what Theo is going to do. I know there's time left and Theo will pull something out of his ass but damn, this suspense is almost as bad as Game 4 of the ALCS. :)

Last night's game really bugged me. The Sox are playing the second place Orioles (never thought I'd type that) and they sit Damon, Rent, Manny, and Tek. I realize Tito needs to give everyone a day off here and there but c'mon, we're fighting for the division. Let them have a night off against KC or Tampa, not the fucking Orioles!

Regarding Curt, here is a perfect example of why he should not be coming out of the 'pen:

2004 Season Pitch-Count Stats (ERA, WHIP, Opp. Avg)

Pitch 1-15:

7.07-1.21-.287

Pitch 16-30:

3.78-0.87-.186

Pitch 31-45:

1.59-0.68-.151

Pitch 46-60:

0.86-0.99-.224

Pitch 61-75:

2.19-0.68-.188

Pitch 76-90:

4.91-1.47-.306

Pitch 91-105:

3.38-1.92-.355

Pitch 106-20:

3.09-1.11-.250

Pitch 121-35:

0.00-3.00-.333

Curt struggles to get going in a game even when he is healthy, never mind trying to comeback from a major injury. He needs to pitch in the starter's role or, if push comes to shove, in long relief.

From what I see (you may want to correct me on this) but it seems like Curt is <i>wanting</i> to pitch relief. I don't understand wtf he's thinking. I'm wondering if he just wants to help the team out so badly that he'll take what he can get for now. Who knows.


Those are some great numbers you posted. I hope that Theo and the rest of the management is looking at those very closely before they decide to do something stupid. Hell I'd rather get Pedro back before I saw Curt as a closer.

According to the Providence Journal, the Sox are sending Jay Payton to Oakland for reliever Chad Bradford. Here's the article:

Thanks for the article and heads up. I just need to do some name searching and come up with how I feel about this :thumbsup:

I don't like the idea of using pitch count data to make that prediction. Look through a few years of splits and you'll see that the numbers for pitch count groupings vary widely from year to year. You also have to consider the fact that this would be against the top hitters from each team.

To me it's worth about as much as using a player's BA w/ RISP assess his value (very little).

I agree with you to an extent but the real point I was trying to make is that Curt preforms better, as most starters do, once they settle down into a groove. The pitch 1-15 stats show that Curt is prone to getting roughed-up in his first to second innings of work, which isn't really great if he's gonna try to close for the Sox. If he's gotta be in the 'pen, I'd use him for long relief instead of replacing Foulke.

3 of 4 from the Indians....not too shabby, if not for a horrible start by Darrell May they sweep. The Sox stumbled against the O's setting up a good series with the Yankees, I can't wait. I will say though, Hafner wasn't hitting like his usual self until the lsat two games of the series, which the Yankees had trouble with....so I'm feeling lucky.

I still find it funny that people said the Yankees were dead when the Sox were playing just bad as us :lol: .

The O's play Seattle so if I were a Boston fan I'd be worried about them taking over first place.

How about those who thought the O's were dead after the Yankees' series? AND we're getting both Bedard and Javy Lopez back soon.

BTW, how can you live in Westminster and be a Yankees fan? :confused:

I'm not really worried if the O's take over first place. There's <i>ALOT</i> of baseball left to play and I just don't think the O's will be there in the end. We'll see what happens though.


here's something I wish would come true:


the part I want to come true is the Astro's being dumb enough to take Millar.

There are few 1B that have worse with the bat than Millar. At his best he's only an average hitting 1B. He has the worst OPS of all qualified 1B this season. You could put up with his hitting if he was a SS but 1B is a power position.

Houston could bite though. Bagwell won't be back for a while and Lamb really sucks.

I hope they do. That looks like the only market there is for him. Who knows. I still don't understand why Olerud doesn't get a majority of the starts. Francona ought to be smart enough to realize how bad Millar is playing.. maybe he feels he owes Millar a chance?? (Mark Bellhorn anyone?)

Good thing I don't get asked this question much :) No, I've always been a fan of the Yankees....and having family from that region doesn't hurt either. It's not my fault I was born towards the tail end of the Yankee dark age.

and yes, I agree that people thought the O's were dead but I figured that with the record they had against Boston this year, they'd be able to straighten themselves out.

Ok, well you at least have an excuse :D

Don't worry, I just find it fun to screw around with the Yankee fans :p