TitleFight

I will.

They were resting Vick, Crumpler, and Duckett'll be out until the playoffs. They already wrapped up a bye in the first round and there's no way to catch the Eagles for home field throughout. Who knows who else they were resting...why would they risk injuries to their starters?

Here's the sub's (Matt Schaub) glorious stats in leiu of Vick: 17/41, 188yds, 0 TD's, 2 INT's, 1 Fumble, sacked 3 times

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Rdr4evr

Those numbers are almost equal to Vicks.....

Ace_O_Spades

hahaha!

That one actually had me laughing out loud

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Rdr4evr

Sad thing is that it's true, take a look at Vicks numbers from his last game:

28-11 for 154 yards and 2 INT's with a 51.8 rating and 2 fumbles. He was also sacked 4 times. So really, this Schaub guy is better.

TitleFight

I think you forgot to mention that he also rushed for 70 yards and a touchdown. Oh, and you also conveniently forgot the most telling stat...THEY WON!!!

We all know Vick's no Kerry Collins but come on man...

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Rdr4evr

Are you saying that Vick is better than Collins? Now I will be the first to say that Collins is mediocre and I would take Gannon over him any day of the week, but the numbers he has put up have been FAR better than Vick (I'm assuming you were being sarcastic, if so, refer to the numbers below for proof that Collins is better, if not, ignore this).

VICK: 314 - 175 for 2278 yards with 13 TD's and 12 INT's and 15 fumbles with a rating of 76.4

COLLINS: 474 - 274 3353 yards with 21 TD's and 17 INT's and 4 fumbles with a rating of 79.6

Point proven.

ironchef82

Ok, so I don't know when exactly this thread turned from a discussion of the Falcons in general into a Vick bash-fest, but whatever.

Kerry Collins might have better numbers than Vick as a pure passing QB (I wouldn't really go so far as to say "FAR better"), but Vick and Collins are completely different QB's, and it's kinda useless to compare them statistically side-by-side. If you do, you definitely cannot neglect the 800+ yards rushing he's contributed.

I'd love to see Vick develop his passing game more, but until then, I'm quite happy with Vick, and I'll take him any day over Collins, and most (not ALL) of the other QBs in the league.

just my $0.02

FloydianOne

Wow... talk about a thread full of jealous Vick/Falcon's haters. Ive never seen so many in my life.

I dont feel like arguing, so im just gonna say see ya guys in the Super Bowl. Its gonna happen.

loonatic8her

I am an Atlanta Boy... cut my teeth on Bartkowski and Jenkins, Riggs and White Shoes... Quit hatin folks... I mean YES their schedule was the weakest of the teams remaining in the playoffs... But I predict Atlanta gets into the Superbowl...

First they spank the real pretenders from St. Louis...
Second Philly will have their hands full with a talented Minnesota and will exhaust themselves .... Atlanta Beats Philly in Philly...

Atlanta Looses to the Steelers... a truely well rounded Team.

Vick should move to reciever or R.B. then Shaub will be a great Q.B. and have an awesome aresenal to work with.. Dunn, Ducket in the backfield... Crumpler on the end and Price will finally pay off because everyone would be double teaming Vick on the long routs.... You heard it here first!

Go Falcons!

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loonatic8her

Oh and before I forget... Remember 2 yrs ago... Vick Ran amuck on the Vikings to get into the playoffs... then dismantled Green Bay in Green Bay... So keep on hating if you want. He is NOT a true "old fashioned" quarterback... he is the essence of something new to come across football... Did anyone see the Rose Bowl? The Texas Q.B. is in the Vick mold and he single handedly won that game.... All hail the new King of football... Vick is a God amid mere mortal football players... We have built it and now people are coming in droves....

See you in Jacksonville in February.

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Rdr4evr

Vick? King of football? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!! I think I just wet myself from laughing so hard.

cameroncrazy822

That's a VICKtorious remark. Very insightful.

Konichiwaneko

I think business decision wise this wasn't a bad move. He's brought so much extra revenue in it's insane. Is he worth it as a player? I personally think so. Business side though, a healthy Vick is insanely marketable.

Remember it's a sport, but it's also there to make money. A person with what Vick has is amazingly sellable.


I'm kinda a falcons fan and you know what, I have fun watching their games. If you die hard football fans wanna rant and rave about consistency making a team, let me just remind you about which teams have won the last 3~5 super bowls. Other then the patriots, it always changes.




Out of topic, these are the same people who probably make fun of the Atlanta braves because they can't win a world series but don't even acknowledge the 13 season win streak.



back on topic,

Go for who you want, all I know is whatever team is in the superbowl I don't care cause I'll still be f'ing drinking and slutting around.

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drakers

After giving the beating they gave St. Louis they have a good shot at the Eagles. But I think no matter what who ever wins the Patriots-Steelers game is going to win the SB. Unless hell freezes over.

Nimbletoe

Numbers are everything in football. That's why the Colts, with record breaking Peyton Manning, whomped the Patriots, with a far less impressive Brady. That's also why Vick is a terrible QB who has no impact on the defenses he plays, and has led his team right into the ground with a terrible record and a high pick in the draft.







Wait...

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heccubusiv

@Kansas City Lost 10-56 Opponent: 6-8

Thats pretty bad, they are not even a playoff team, the pats barely lost to a non playoff team and that was not a blow out, the iggles have only lost to a 15-1 team with their starters in, and the stillers only loss was to a good baltimore team and with tommy maddox. They are the worst team still in the playoffs

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uncle_el

opinion of a die hard raider fan living in atlanta:

atlanta knows they live and die by vick. if he plays, they tend to win, if he doesn't play, they tend to lose. his first season as a starter, they make it to the playoffs, beat green bay in green bay. the next season, breaks his leg in preseason, falcons finish 5-11. this season, 11-4, nfc championship round.

is vick worth the money? blank thinks so, and i guess that's pretty much all that matters, lol. in reality, only 37 million is guaranteed... which isn't all that bad, considering 1. vick puts fans in the seats 2. provided he makes it 10 years, he'll only be 34... not to mention the contract will likely be restructured after 4 or 5 years anyway (huge contracts of this magnitude are almost always to defer salary cap monies).

what do they do well? run the damn ball. led the league in rushing without a player in the top 10. dunn was #15 in the league (finished with over 1000 yards), and i believe vick finished #27 (with over 900 yards).
what else do they do well? run defense.

where are they poor? passing offense. outside of alge crumpler, the falcons have no credible/legitimate threat at wide receiver. peerless price, finneran, jenkins... can't get it done. can't get open deep, can't get open short, not on slants, not on curls... their performance is poor. it's not as if they've been facing the toughest pass defenses either.

also, though vick's scrambling ability can be an asset in designed rollouts, qb draws, etc. ... it hurts them in drop back passing... you have receivers who can't get open (with the exception of alge crumpler), and a guy who can run... once the receivers are consistently not getting open (which is pretty much every game), vick's gotta run. can't believe in the receivers, but he can believe in his legs. with all of that movement and lack of trust, it's hard for the o-line to hold blocks for any longer than about 3 seconds (since vick's gotta make the decision to run or not by then). add to that, the o-line's not very big and you can see the dilemma.


are the falcons overrated, idk.
but the eagles corners will surely shut down the falcons receivers this weekend (not that it will be that hard in the first place). the eagles can easily afford to put 7 or 8 guys in the box, knowing the falcons want to run, without fearing that the falcons will stretch the field.

the falcons db's have to put pressure on the eagles receivers... not too hard, as the panthers did it last year... guess we'll see if d'angelo hall is the real deal or not this weekend. right now, i don't think he's the real deal (as he was absolutely smoked by randy moss in preseason before the hip injury, a game i attended ).

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FailedEagle

I'm sorry man, but KC is no push over team . . . They had a shitty year because their defense isn't great . . . but look over their schedule, not only did they have one of the hardest schedule in the NFL, they never lost a game by a margin of more than 10 . . . they only did that in the 2 of the first three games that they played!

L 24 - 34 09/12/04 at Denver Broncos
L 17 - 28 09/19/04 Carolina Panthers
L 21 - 24 09/26/04 Houston Texans
W27 - 24 10/04/04 at Baltimore Ravens
L 16 - 22 10/17/04 at Jacksonville Jaguars
W 56 - 10 10/24/04 Atlanta Falcons
W 45 - 35 10/31/04 Indianapolis Colts
L 31 - 34 11/07/04 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers
L 20 - 27 11/14/04 at New Orleans Saints
L 19 - 27 11/22/04 New England Patriots
L 31 - 34 11/28/04 San Diego Chargers
W 34 - 27 12/05/04 at Oakland Raiders
W 49 - 38 12/13/04 at Tennessee Titans
W 45 - 17 12/19/04 Denver Broncos
W 31 - 30 12/25/04 Oakland Raiders
L 17 - 24 01/02/05 at San Diego Chargers

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Cross-Over

I agree with FailedEagle, the Chiefs were better than the record would indicate. They came into Baltimore, and beat the Ravens on Monday night. The Ravens have lost only three times at home the last two years, and two of those were at the hands of the Chiefs. Another Chief victory this year was over the Colts, a 12-4 division champion.

Zeld2.0

People forget that Atlanta scored a whole 3 more points than their defense gave up. They were right in the middle of the NFL in ratings for both offense and defense. The Eagles, on the other hand, were tied with the Patriots in terms of points given up by defense. Their offense ain't bad either. With Trotter inserted into middle linebacker, the Eagles rushing yards given up per game dropped considerably.

Putting up 47 points on STL is good and all but STL is one of the worst defenses in the game, and you did that at home on turf in a dome. Going to Philly outside in subzero temperatures on the raod is going to hurt. Philly was 8-1 at home (indeed undefeated til they put their starters on the bench at the end of hte year) while Falcons were 4-4 on the road.

Sure numbers aren't everything at all in football but the media is overrating Atlanta hugely. Its like defense in baseball - often the best defenders are the ones who don't need the highlight reel plays - they do it good constantly and consistently.

Bodyhammer86

I have to agree about the Chiefs are a better team than their record would indicate. They have an excellent offense, but their piss poor defense kills them.

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drakers

Vick is not mature enough but they should be a team to contend with in the coming years, as long as their defense improves along with Vick.

Rdr4evr

You may apologize now.

My point that Vick and the Falcons suck has once again been proven. Like I said, without a passing game, they're not going anywhere.

Zeld2.0

Defense wins games

The fact that the Eagles had a better running game going today - a team that ran the least all year - simply showed how much the media overrated Vick. The fact the two teams were called equal by the media... the Eagles lead the whole way.

mosha

I cant believe people still want to stick up for Vick, he is garbage. He cant pass for shit, pretty much something every quarterback needs to do. Could you imagine how much it would suck to have to play offense on that team? As a receiver you know your career is over because your never going to get the ball unless your up against some crappy D. As for running backs, they might as well just snap the ball to Dunn and have him hand it off to Vick. It just seems like every play is a broken play and Vick has to run it, gimme a break the Falcons are mediocre at best and did not deserve to be in the NFC Championships.

Cross-Over

Rdr4ever, I hoped you had more tact than to come in here with an "I told you so" attitude after the loss. It figures you didn't mention anything after their playoff blowout victory last week. I guess you don't have to apologize since your statement was dependent on "who they play in the play-offs". Lame. Regardless, you said they wouldn't win in the playoffs, and you were wrong. Look at my very first thread, I said the Falcons win by going to their bread and butter (running). Did I chime in after last week’s victory on how that paid off for them. Not exactly, this isn't about me being right or John Doe being wrong. They suck? You are wrong, they are a divisional champ who made it to the NFC Championship. Regardless of schedule or competitors, that is bullshit they can't control. You obviously don't like the Falcons, but coming in here insulting them after they accomplished what only 3 other teams did is pathetic. You don't like the Falcons, that is the only thing you have PROVEN .

BonesCPA

The Falcons weren't a Super Bowl team. Vick isn't a great passing quarterback. But how can you call them a bad team with Vick. They may not have an amazing playoff record, but the Falcons win more with Vick than they do without him. I think Mora is about two years away from getting them to the big dance, but don't expect them to be patsies along the way.

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Rdr4evr

They played an 8-8 team last week, that's why I didn't say anything. But you're right about me saying they won't win a play-off game, I apologize for that, but I also did say they wont make SuperBowl either, especially without a passing game. Had Atlanta been in the AFC, they would be lucky to even have a chance, so yes, they still do suck, making play-offs in the NFC this season doesn't prove a thing. St. Louis, Seattle, GreenBay and Minnesota all made it, and who are they? Anyways, no point in arguing now as we all see the Falcons can't win until Vick learns how to play his position.

drakers

They showed their overratedness in the Eagles game, unless Vick can do a better job throwing the ball they aren't ever going to the Superbowl.

Konichiwaneko

Sometimes you can't be good unless you break the mold, sometimes you can't be good unless you are the mold.

Like politics sometimes it's a no win situation.

Sometimes, just sometimes... the team in the big dance is just there because of luck.

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Zeld2.0

Sure sometimes you need to break the mold but it showed how one dimensional their team was - and when the Eagles shut down their run, it was over.

uncle_el

i'll just repeat part of the statement i made on 1/20:

the falcons problem is not vick, it's not the fact that they will run on any given play. it's the receivers who fail to get open with any consistency. you can't expect a guy to pass the ball to receivers who can't get open.

the eagles rushed vick, stayed in their lanes, keeping him in the pocket... and no receivers are open, of course the guy's going to get sacked.

the falcons need to draft a legitimate wide receiver and/or make a play for a free agent veteran.

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ketamine

Definently agree. Price is nowhere near the go-to guy they thought he would be when the brought him over from Buffalo, and I can't remember the last time I heard Dez White's name in the play-by-play. I think as Michael Jenkins matures he'll develop into a solid across the middle receiver, but he's definently not a deep threat. I think you have to give credit to Finneran though; he seems like the only receiver on the team who can get open and catch the ball consistantly, although he's not a deep threat either.

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