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Justsomeguy · 12-07-2004, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Avail

SEC wasn't that good this year. If Auburn were to go undefeated in the SEC in previous years, I would whole-heartedly agree with you. Tennesee wasn't as good as previous years. They only beat 2-9 Kentucky 37-31 and 4-7 Mississippi 21-17. Georgia did OK this year but it was nothing to compared to earlier years. Florida.. Florida just went down the drain this season. Meyer has a good chance at restoring the franchise next year though. LSU didn't look like a national title team this year either..

I think whats missing here is that no conference was that good this year. They all seemed middle of the road. People just naturally consider SEC competition to be very tough. Teams seem just a tad more physical. However, what other conference could you really say was better than the SEC? I definitely do not see any.

Arkansas had a rough finish to their season, but they could have won other conferences. Also, why are people being so hard of Florida? Sure, they weren't what people are used to seeing, but they never lost by more than a touchdown. They should have beat Tennessee. LSU, Georgia, and Mississippi State were all games that could have easily gone the other way. Sometimes a solid team can just be caught by surprise. Just ask Arizona State.

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Originally Posted by djtestudo

Hell, Utah played a tougher OOC schedule then Auburn:

Texas A&M
Arizona
Utah State
North Carolina

Yes, but you don't see 3 top 20 teams on their schedule. Not to mention having to play one twice. In fact, not even one.

The_Dude · 12-08-2004, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by djtestudo

Hell, Utah played a tougher OOC schedule then Auburn:

Texas A&M
Arizona
Utah State
North Carolina

SEC was the best conference this year. if you go thru it undefeated, u should get in the mnc game. look at the sec.

auburn/lsu/georgia/florida/tennessee.

why does OU deserve mnc game? big xii south is the toughest division in the nation this year. ou/tx/tx-tech/aTm/oSu were all ranked at some point in the season.

pac10? cal/usc then who?

i'd have loved to see ou/auburn,but ou/sc aint a bad matchup.

as for all the cinderalla non-bcs teams, .................... they dont deserve it one bit. utah beat aggy and that's it

i wish utah got paired with auburn/tx/michigan so everyone could see once and for all how pathetic these teams are. we all know what happened to the horny toads last year :P

stevo · 12-08-2004, 05:20 PM

Dont worry about Utah. they'll get beat solidly by Pitt.

And as for Auburn's strength of schedule, they weren't supposed to be penalized for playing citadel...it wasn't there fault.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6632801/

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Auburn's life lesson?
Avoid I-AA teams
No. 3 Tigers likely to miss BCS title game because of weak schedule
Auburn and coach Tommy Tuberville, with little or no chance of playing for the BCS Championship, are probably wishing they hadn't played I-AA Citiadel now, writes NBCSports.com's Ray Melick.
COMMENTARY
By Ray Melick
NBCSports.com contributor
Updated: 4:03 a.m. ET Dec. 4, 2004

Blame it on Bowling Green.

That’s what Auburn fans will say, if the current BCS standings remain this way after Saturday’s conference championship games and the No. 3 Tigers are left standing on the outside looking in.

Blame it on Bowling Green, because the Falcons of the Mid-America Conference were scheduled to play Auburn this fall, but last spring asked out of the game against the Tigers to play — of all teams — Oklahoma.

Blame it on Bowling Green, because after the Falcons bought their way out of playing Auburn, it left the Tigers’ scrambling to find an available team, which turned out to be The Citadel.

So here we are, at the end of the season, with Auburn apparently boxed out of the national championship, just percentage points behind Oklahoma.

And why? For all the arguments for and against both the Tigers and Sooners, the underlying theme seems to always come back to strength of schedule.

Which brings us back to Bowling Green. The Falcons are 8-3, including the 40-24 loss to Oklahoma in the first game of the season. Auburn’s replacement, The Citadel, is a I-AA team with a 3-7 record, including the 33-3 loss to Auburn back in week four.

Take The Citadel out and put Bowling Green back on Auburn’s schedule, and the Tigers’ non-conference opponents’ schedule of Louisiana Monroe (5-6), Louisiana Tech (6-6) and Bowling Green (8-3) looks considerably better. Perhaps even better than Oklahoma’s non-conference schedule of Houston (3-8), Oregon (5-6) and the aforementioned Falcons.

Who knew that Bowling Green could be so important?

uncle_el · 12-09-2004, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stevo22

Dont worry about Utah. they'll get beat solidly by Pitt.

And as for Auburn's strength of schedule, they weren't supposed to be penalized for playing citadel...it wasn't there fault.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6632801/

how can aubrun not be penalized for playing the citadel when teams set up their own out of conference schedule?!?!? the citadel's not even a division 1-a team!

Avail · 12-09-2004, 04:08 PM

If you read the entire statement, it explained how Bowling Green opted out of a matchup with Auburn so Auburn had to find a team available to play and time was running out, so they had to play The Citadel.

lunchbox · 12-09-2004, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Avail

If you read the entire statement, it explained how Bowling Green opted out of a matchup with Auburn so Auburn had to find a team available to play and time was running out, so they had to play The Citadel.

I think it would be more fair to not blame auburn if we knew what the procedure of teams opting out of games. It doesn't seem logical to me that a team who is bound to playing another team can just say "oh sorry, we're not doing that anymore" seems to me the teams would have to agree or something to that effect in order for a team to opt out of a non-conference matchup. someone find out the rules and post them, then we'll decide who's fault it is. By the text alone, it sounds like Auburn allowed Bowling Green to buy their way out of the game, and if that's the case then its their own fault for not saying "no, eff you you're playing us."

stevo · 12-09-2004, 08:47 PM

Of course, they let BG out of the game, but they probably should have done some research first. They probably thought it wouldn't be that hard to find someone to play, but by then it was too late. I'm sure if they knew they had to play a 1-aa team they would never have agreed to let BG out of the game.

Justsomeguy · 12-10-2004, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by lunchbox

By the text alone, it sounds like Auburn allowed Bowling Green to buy their way out of the game, and if that's the case then its their own fault for not saying "no, eff you you're playing us."

This would be true if you were dealing with kids and kickball. Unfortunately, Universities can't act that way. Auburn probably could have found a more difficult opponent, however, I can recall several instances where this happened in the past 10 years.

By the way, didn't Auburn buy their way out of playing FSU a few years ago?

lunchbox · 12-10-2004, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Justsomeguy

This would be true if you were dealing with kids and kickball. Unfortunately, Universities can't act that way. Auburn probably could have found a more difficult opponent, however, I can recall several instances where this happened in the past 10 years.

By the way, didn't Auburn buy their way out of playing FSU a few years ago?

well I know it sounds ridiculous but if people are going to defend them with "its bowling green's fault" then i'm going to offend them with "its their own fault for letting them out of the game." I doubt it says anywhere that if a team wants out of a game you have to let them.

stevo · 12-10-2004, 11:30 AM

I never said it was BG's fault, but you can't just go around saying Auburn should be punished for having a weak schedule and pointing out that they played citadel like they had scheduled it years in advance because they were too scared to play someone else. Believe me, they didn't want to play the citadel, they just got shafted.

lunchbox · 12-10-2004, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stevo22

I never said it was BG's fault, but you can't just go around saying Auburn should be punished for having a weak schedule and pointing out that they played citadel like they had scheduled it years in advance because they were too scared to play someone else. Believe me, they didn't want to play the citadel, they just got shafted.

and i'm just saying if they ALLOWED BG to opt out of the game by just paying them off, you can fault them.

Justsomeguy · 12-10-2004, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lunchbox

well I know it sounds ridiculous but if people are going to defend them with "its bowling green's fault" then i'm going to offend them with "its their own fault for letting them out of the game." I doubt it says anywhere that if a team wants out of a game you have to let them.

Fair enough. Remember though that there is alot of things in life that you really do not HAVE to do. However, if you do not do those things, there could be very bad results. I'm sure there is alot of politics involved in this situation that most of us probably will never know of nor care about.

However, I think the discussion is getting off on a tangent that most people already believe anyway. The problem is not with bowling green nor is it really with Auburn. The problem is with the NCAA. Of course, the media does not help a whole lot either.

Avail · 12-27-2004, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Dude

we all know what happened to the horny toads last year :P

Yeah, they got beat by Boise State.

mac03 · 12-29-2004, 05:42 PM

My Playoff Idea:
12 teams. 6 'major conferences champs' 6 'at large bids'
Commitee picks at larges. Utah and Boise St would have made it through a commitee with those undefeated seasons. This would also allow teams from the MAC and other mid-major conferences a chance.

Bracket: Seeds 1-4 get by-week the first week. 5-12 play normal bracket games. Winners from those 4 games play by-week teams. Winners from those play next game. Off Week. Those teams play for national championship.

Time frame: Start Thanks giving weekend. Play first three sets of games. Take time off over Christmas. Play championship game new years weekend.

TaDa, a true national champion.

djtestudo · 12-29-2004, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mac03

My Playoff Idea:
12 teams. 6 'major conferences champs' 6 'at large bids'
Commitee picks at larges. Utah and Boise St would have made it through a commitee with those undefeated seasons. This would also allow teams from the MAC and other mid-major conferences a chance.

Bracket: Seeds 1-4 get by-week the first week. 5-12 play normal bracket games. Winners from those 4 games play by-week teams. Winners from those play next game. Off Week. Those teams play for national championship.

Time frame: Start Thanks giving weekend. Play first three sets of games. Take time off over Christmas. Play championship game new years weekend.

TaDa, a true national champion.

Who decides who the "major conferences" are?

DewMan · 01-03-2005, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by stevo

Dont worry about Utah. they'll destroy Pitt.

Fixed that up for you.

Go Utes!

stevo · 01-04-2005, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DewMan

Fixed that up for you.

Go Utes!

Yeah. son of a bitch. that was one hell of a show. After seeing that performance I must say that I am impressed. That Utah has one hell of a football team.

stevo · 01-05-2005, 08:37 AM

And with that USC pounding of OU there really isn't any doubt on who the national champions are.

Rekna · 01-05-2005, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by stevo

First off, Utah is going to get beat by Pitt. and Auburn-Utah?

As far as USC vs OU, I think the sooners have this one.

Good thing you nailed these predictions. Care to revise you stance on Auburn vrs Utah?

stevo · 01-06-2005, 10:37 AM

Yeah....Auburn-Utah would have been a good game, but the Auburn-VT game was good as well. Utah should have played a top 10 team at least. I thought OU would put up a fight at least since USC struggled against teams earlier in the year. USC just came to play a championship game and OU didn't even show up. The sad part about all this is that this is the part of the year where we are farthest away from college football. I wish it were september again.

12-09-2004, 04:08 PM	#45 (permalink)
Avail Crazy Location: Richmond, VA	If you read the entire statement, it explained how Bowling Green opted out of a matchup with Auburn so Auburn had to find a team available to play and time was running out, so they had to play The Citadel.

12-09-2004, 08:47 PM	#47 (permalink)
stevo Rail Baron Location: Tallyfla	Of course, they let BG out of the game, but they probably should have done some research first. They probably thought it wouldn't be that hard to find someone to play, but by then it was too late. I'm sure if they knew they had to play a 1-aa team they would never have agreed to let BG out of the game.

12-10-2004, 11:30 AM	#50 (permalink)
stevo Rail Baron Location: Tallyfla	I never said it was BG's fault, but you can't just go around saying Auburn should be punished for having a weak schedule and pointing out that they played citadel like they had scheduled it years in advance because they were too scared to play someone else. Believe me, they didn't want to play the citadel, they just got shafted.

12-29-2004, 05:42 PM	#54 (permalink)
mac03 Tilted	My Playoff Idea: 12 teams. 6 'major conferences champs' 6 'at large bids' Commitee picks at larges. Utah and Boise St would have made it through a commitee with those undefeated seasons. This would also allow teams from the MAC and other mid-major conferences a chance. Bracket: Seeds 1-4 get by-week the first week. 5-12 play normal bracket games. Winners from those 4 games play by-week teams. Winners from those play next game. Off Week. Those teams play for national championship. Time frame: Start Thanks giving weekend. Play first three sets of games. Take time off over Christmas. Play championship game new years weekend. TaDa, a true national champion.

01-05-2005, 08:37 AM	#58 (permalink)
stevo Rail Baron Location: Tallyfla	And with that USC pounding of OU there really isn't any doubt on who the national champions are.

01-06-2005, 10:37 AM	#60 (permalink)
stevo Rail Baron Location: Tallyfla	Yeah....Auburn-Utah would have been a good game, but the Auburn-VT game was good as well. Utah should have played a top 10 team at least. I thought OU would put up a fight at least since USC struggled against teams earlier in the year. USC just came to play a championship game and OU didn't even show up. The sad part about all this is that this is the part of the year where we are farthest away from college football. I wish it were september again.