I'd agree if it wasn't only the second game, and it was a close game where they were expected by almost everyone cept pistons fans to get blown out when the lakers actually showed up. But they're going home for three games now, and they have to feel glad they almost beat the lakers at home when they were playing their best.

Uhhhhhhhh........ Are you watching the same series I am? I think they are far from "done for"!:rolleyes:

I'm a Lakers fan and I have to agree with Damnyankee, they are far from done for. Remember, Detroit took one at Staples, the next three are in Detroit. There are some rabid fans there!

If the Lakers go on to win it, I think people are going to look at that shot as a turning point. It makes a nice post facto justification, but it's not going to cause the Lakers to win anything. It's still early in the series, and Detroit will bounce back.

I appreciate the unyielding support of Lakers fans, since I'm a more skeptical follower of the purple and gold.

How can anyone watch this team during Games 1 and 2 and think that they are in control?? They were completely outplayed in Game 1 and were a Kobe shot away from going down 2 games. Now, they have a banged up Malone to add to the degree of difficulty.

I hope this doesn't digress into another "Kobe is the best player ever" discussion---he's fantastic, let's move on. As always, they need more than Kobe and Shaq. That was their downfall last year and has been the main reason why it's been so dramatic this year.

They escaped the Spurs because of Fish. They put away the Wolves thanks to Rush. Game 2 it was Luuuuuuuuuuke.

The Pistons have a much more complete team, while the Lakers are 2 of the greatest of all-time, pulling 2 empty shells of future hall of famers clinging to the dream of a ring and a supporting cast that can disappear quicker than a J-Lo wedding planner.

If Devean George wants a big contract next year---he needs to show that he deserves it. Payton, Slava, Fox....prove something. Yes, you've proven it in the past. So has Jamal Wilkes--in the past--that doesn't guarantee a championship now.

Can the Lakers win? Of course. Will they win? Probably. But to call this a done deal is completely ignoring the effort of the Pistons in the first 2 games.

Go Lakers....but stop assuming that the trophy is your right.

I love it.

*crickets chirp* *tumbleweed rolls by*

hear that? those are laker fans after tonights 20 point laker loss
:lol:

I'm jumping ship and going with Detroit from here on out. The Lakers are a joke. They had trouble putting down the rockets who played like a joke in the playoffs. They squeaked out a victory against San Antonio. Don't even get me started with the T'Wolves series because had Cassell not been injured I guarentee the Lakers would be at home watching right now.

Not like Detroit beat any good teams either, the East was a joke. But this is seriously pathetic. I could probably run "the Glove" right now, cause man does he suck. And at the same time Chauncey is stepping up huge for the Pistons. Before the game they showed states how GP has scored 5 points on 2/7 shooting and his assist/TO ratio was 6/5 where Chauncey has 45 points on and a 15-5 assist/to ratio. Karl is gimped out and old, looks like he will never get that bling.

Whats going to ultimately do in the Lakers is the fact they have no bench. Fisher is the only respectable person coming off it for them. Walton and Rush can be good, but they've each had ONE good game all playoffs, and pretty much all season, that doesn't make them viable options during the finals. Not saying the Pistons bench is any better, but thats not how their squad works anyways. All the Pistons really have to do is minimize what Shaq and Kobe can do, because the rest of the Lakers are fucking up big time.

As it goes though, its still to early to count the Lakers out. But seriously, what a joke of a team they are.

Man, I am so pissed off. My team put up a shit effort today. I still love 'em and I'm still confident that they can win, however I am just beside myself at the complete JOKE of a game they just played.

I'm reading the fan forums right now and I'm seeing a lot of bandwagon fans jump off like it was gonna explode. I ain't like that. I'll go down with the ship if I have to, but I still say the Lakers are gonna win!

Fuck all you fair-weather fans.

Not too competitive, but we'll take it.

Im a Laker fan from way back (early 80s) and thought that once they had dispatched all the "real" contenders in the West, they'd easily rip through Dretroit or anyone else from the East. And while I still believe they will win this series, I gotta give props to the Pistons. They are playing some amazing D. Suffocating is the word that comes to mind. Very impressive. Even if they should lose to the Lakers, they have proven themselves worthy of a finals berth and the title of championship contender.



Now, with that outta the way, its time for the Lakers to TURN THIS MUTHAFUCKA LOOSE AND ANNIHILATE THE PISTONS!

Game 1: Pistons dominate

Game 2: Lakers win a close game.

Game 3: Pistons dominate, then dominate some more.

I think I see where this is headed. I've been thinking that for all the superstars the Pistons lack, they're a stacked team. You've got both Wallaces, Billups, Rip, Tayshaun Prince, plus some size coming off the bench. These guys have basically outplayed the Lakers at every position, plus they play better team defense.

Now it's a question of whether Detroit will win both of their home games and end the series. Nobody doubts that they can, but the question is, will they do it? Personally, I think it's more likely that the Lakers will win one of the two, and take the series back to LA. It might be game 4, might be game 5, but I think the Lakers will win one.

So I suppose that's my victory scenario for the Lakers. They win one of the next two in Detroit, then sweep at home to finish the series. I think saturday's game will probably be decisive. If the Lakers don't come to play by game 4, they deserve to lose the series.

Why the Lakers lost

Offensive Boards: Pistons 15, Lakers 7
Free Throws: Pistons 21/30, Lakers 8/13

Simply as that. Shaq needs to get to the line more than 1 time. Kobe needs to get to the line more than 1 time (he did shoot a technical FT too). Why the fuck did Phil have Kobe guarding Corliss Williamson in the 2nd quarter?????

HUSTLE HUSTLE HUSTLE god damnit.

I'm sure the turnovers, Malone being gimp and LA not having a competent back up, the pressure defense by Detroit along with them putting up a decent ammount of points had nothing to do with it...

You know, I'm so happy my pacers lost to detroit in the eastern finals. Why? Because unlike the pacers, detriot can and does compete against lakers. Actually, dominate is a much better word.

The pacers need some more playoff experience and they should be OK. But goddamn, no way would the pacers be able to do this against the Lakers. Go pistons!

--jaded

I was thinking after the game how much I would have preferred to see the Spurs vs Detroit in the finals. The Spurs are a deeper, younger, and healthier team that should have won the Western Conference but for a miracle shot and their defense can be quite suffocating as well.

Yeah, the points off turnovers were big. Detroit's two spurts at the beginning of the 3rd and 4th quarters were good offensive displays. But, I feel that the offensive boards and the FT's were bigger factors. You give any NBA team 2 or 3 shots per offensive series, they will usually convert. If the Lakers and Pistons had equal amounts of FT's, then this would've been a whole different game. The Lakers couldn't get inside to draw the fouls, while the Pistons did.

The lakers had 17 less free throws than the pistons. You figure they make about half of those (9, i'll even be nice), they still lose by 11. Shaq didn't get to the line because they didn't get the ball to him, and Kobe didn't get to the line because the pistons swarmed him, and wouldn't let him. It wasn't that the lakers were like, lets just not drive to the hole today, the Detroit defense wouldn't let them.

Oh, and by the way, it's driving me nuts how people think teams just play bad against the pistons. NJ, Indiana, now LA... don't you people think that it's more than a coincidence now that every time a team plays detroit, they play poorly? Come on.

Actually, the Pistons haven't played up to their potential on offense yet. Still missing too many easy shots, too many free throws.

When I went against my heart and picked LA in 6, I thought that they'd take the task seriously. But, frankly, they're playing like pussies and should be down 3-0.

Great effort and great game, I'm smiling.

I'm with you 100%. I too picked LA in 6, and it seems like that's pretty close to out the window at this point. I saw Sheed hit a ton of shots vs. the pacers, but he's been quiet in this series, and hasn't gotten too many minutes. I think Billups is getting his shots though, so it's probably balancing out. It's interesting to see an offense in the NBA that doesn't depend on a big man.

well we are up to 23 people that are wrong in the poll.......... all you Lakers in 4 and 5 are out...... I would like to be wrong too.... I said Pistons in 6 but I am hoping for 5 now....... GO PISTONS!!!

Yep, that was an awesome game, the ABC guys are killing me though! Can someone tell them these games are being broadcasted throughout the whole country. Not just in LA. And that Tim dude at halftime, just because you don't like tough "d" doesn't mean we don't. What do you want us to do, let them just make their shots so your happier! UHhhhhhhhhhhhh!:rolleyes:

Um, can I change my vote?

What do the conspiracy theorists think of the series?

For a long time, the consensus has been that the NBA and the refs have a conspiracy to get the Lakers another championship.....

Conspiracy theorists, please step up to the microphone and restate your case.

I'd also like to change my vote from pistons in 7 to pistons in 5 :D

As much as you hate LA, they are the most popular franchise in the world. The Detroit way of playing the game is new and thus the casual basketball fan may not be cool with the slow, boring bace of the game. I suppose if you're a Detroit fan, you have grown to love this kind of basketball, but I'm rolling around on the floor in agony. Pleeeaaaaase.. someone hit an outside shot. Pleeeeeaaaase... someone run a fast break. Pleeeeeeaaaase... don't call another fucking foul.

What would you suggest? Have our guys stop husseling, stop putting hands in faces and contesting every shot? That game last night was far from slow, unless you're talking about the Laker players standing around. I think the "west" isn't used to players working their collective asses off every time up and down the floor!:confused: :confused:

Man... I'm dying, they (Lakers) didn't even show last night!

This is old school Hoosiers stuff.

Jimmy Chitwood from outside-----GOOD!

I love to see defense in every sport except boxing.

These Finals have been damn good, even game 2 which the bastards won. I don't think the Lakers are done just yet, but thats just because I'm hoping my Pistons in 7 prediction comes true. :)

Phil Jackson played the "ref" card today. What took him so long? He used it to great effect in the late 80's- early 90's when he was trying to get the Bulls over the hump against the Pistons. Now he's begging for some "Jordan Rules" for his lazy ass Lakers.

Phil! Effort gets rewarded. Motivate your TEAM!

Totally agree 100%. Thats what a coach is for, and thats why Jackson gets the big bucks. He isn't the winningest coach in the NBA postseason for nothing. Theyre already nailing sheed to the cross for looking crosseyed at them, what else do they need? These dead slugs need a huge shot of motivation if theyre to get out of Detroit alive.

And Rip Hamilton for MVP so far, by far. This mofo is playing like a man possessed. Looks like he picked up a few things playing with MJ in Washington. Rock solid money in the bank. Its a beautiful thing.

...ITS GETTIN HOT IN HERE...!!!

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sigh.

The Glove should now be known as the Oven Mitten.

Anyone he guards will become hot, i.e. Tony parker, Injured Sam Cassell and now Chauncey Billups.

The Hollywood Fakers are done for. The Pistons should be up 3-0 if it werent for that lucky shot. Pistons will finish them off soon.

same here :p

......if the LA bench stays dead for the rest of the series that is, which I find a bit unlikely and think that LA will/might win at least one more game .

You know i was just thinknig that in teh last game.


Here you have a team of pealep tha play as a team. they pass the ball work hard and are not playing to be on the highlight reel.


then you have the lakers the lagerest buch of show boaters you will ever see.



i am a pacer fan.....go pistons

shoulda woulda coulda
GO LAKERS!

I really have, it's amazing to see how well we're shutting down the outside. Typically teams have had more trouble from the baseline or shorter jump shots, but LA has a different style I suppose. Sheed opened our game up so well and he hasn't even had a chance to get on a roll in this series. LA certainly knows how to perform damage control, cutting down our offensive threats. The unknown depth of Detroit is definitely playing to our advantage right now. True team basketball is what Detroit is all about.

Man, I can't wait until tonight. All except for hearing "Let's get it started" 400 times.

I agree, one can only take so much Black Eyed Peas, I've noticed "Let's Get Retarded" hasn't been playing as much on the radio.

This makes me laugh.


I would have voted Lakers By 6, but I never checked out this topic 'til now. I hope the Lakers lose, simply because Malone and Payton sold out, in my book. I don't care much for the Pistons, but they're exciting the hell out of me right now by leading on Lakers.

We need to throw some Piston jerseys on the refs :p

*funeral dirge starts playing quietly in background for the Lakers*

looks like I am probably going to be wrong on my guess, oh well Pistons in 5 or 6 works too.

I think Billups has a slight MVP edge, as he's been more consistent. He's been the only player out there putting up 20 pts a game. Hamilton is a better player, but he hasn't really been playing at his best. Billups has really gone above and beyond.

LA won't win 3 straight games, therefore game, set, and match to the Pistons. It's about time an east coast team took the title back.

As for the game being slow, I for one don't require a 48 minute highlight reel to enjoy the game. It's a basketball game, not a slam dunk contest. It's good that offense and defense are more in balance, and are more intertwined. The game is more focused on team effort, and that's a good thing.

I completely agree with that.

I have been watching Rip since he was drafted by Washington, and he is definitely playing the best basketball of his career. I don't see how you would think otherwise.

However, I do agree that Billups has the slight edge in the MVP voting, but I just wanted to back up Rip.

Overall, the Pistons are playing great, but I would not be surprised if L.A. did win the next three. I don't expect it and would be devestated, but I am used to it:

Game 7, down 15 in 4th against Portland
Ball is tapped out, Horry for three, LA beats Sac
.7 seconds left, Fisher baseline jumper
thats just the playoffs

Regular season:
How about their huge comeback against Dallas last year in the 4th, or Bryant's heroics against Portland this year.

I aint trying to jinx Detroit, just setting myself up for the worst ;)

Although Rip has been averaging more ppg in this series, Billups has been great as well, and rock steady at the free throw line. But I gotta stick with Rip for MVP, just a feeling. I really like what he's been doing in the 4th quarters of this series, which is knocking down big shots. Obviously, tonight Sheed blew the fcuk up and was the x factor.

Still, I don't understand why Kobe didn't get more shots or Shaq more passes. Just doesn't make sense...

almost twice as many fouls.. i think it's evident that this series is being given to detroit on a silver platter.. by the league

*do you hear that* its quiet


boy its amazing how there team losing shuts up lakers fans.


go pistons

What was the score? I missed the game tonight.

88-80, Detroit over LA.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore...gid=2004061308

only followed this last game on the espn.com flash thingy, but I watched game three and LA definitely was too passive on atacking the rim and drawing fouls.

Please. PLEAAAASE. LA lost it out there. The refs were missing a lot of calls, like shaq going over the hoop and putting in a SHOT from payton.

Yeah seriously. Detroit isn't being handed shit. They are just waaaaay better than anyone thought and they are proving it against the Lakers. They proved against Indy and NJ before that.

It's a beautiful thing! :thumbsup:

--jaded

Honestly that's the case. Generic examples from today's game:

Rip comes down the lane, gets the lay-in up there, draws a little touch and gets a free throw to shoot.

Kobe attempts to get off a shot from the top of the key with three Pistons hacking at his arms, misses, falls face first on the floor, play on.

With all the Pistons clutch n grab and no calls to show for it, I swear I was watching the Calgary Flames in the Stanely Cup finals... again!

EDIT: This is not from a Laker fan viewpoint, just from a neutral that wants one of his childhood sporting idols (Da Mailman) get a ring.

Wrong. Hustle gets rewarded. David Stern was asked in an interview who he would like to see in the Finals and he said Lakers vs. Lakers. The Lakers are a huge ratings draw for the league so Stern drools when they get to the finals.
The Pistons look more athletic, hungrier, and more cohesive as a team. They are taking the ball to the hoop and drawing contact and being rewarded the fouls thusly.

If 3 guys are on him why the Hell won't he give the ball to someone that isn't covered???? OH, I KNOW..... Like all the Lakers he is trying to make ESPN's shot of the day. The Lakers have the most dominate offensive threat in the League (not you Kobe) get the ball to Shaq and you'll have some kind of chance.

Yea, I watched the game and I didn't see any bad fouls. I may be wrong but it seems our guys are working their asses off, especially on the boards. As far as Shaq, if he catches it in the low post, let him score, whats the point in fouling the dude. A lot of Lakers have given up on the foul thing and admitting Detroit is playing better than them, when will the Laker fans start to admit this??????????????????????????????????????????????

The lakers lost simply because Kobe was awful last night. I think that is all it is. We can sit here and blame the refs, but when Kobe misses like 18 shots, we have to lay some blame on him aswell.

Its not the refs; how many players besides Shaq are taking the ball inside to draws fouls? Better yet, how often do players get fouled shooting jumpers outside?

Next excuse please...........................:hmm:

A la fan....calling the game rigged.....hahahahah. seriously........hahahahh

detorit plays d that is border line but they dont corss teh border to much. and on offesnse they acutlly do this thing called driving to the hole.....i know its novel for la but its how detorit plays and the refs reward that. but you la fans keep telling yourself the league is out to get ya.....



go eastern conferance

For all conspiracy theorists---There is no logical reason that the NBA would want Detroit to have the title---none.

If they wanted to rig it (and anytime Dick Bavetta is on the court, there's always a chance!!!), why not give it to LA?? 4 titles in 5 years makes a fun story, as does Malone and Payton finally getting a ring. Phil winning his 10th. Kobe winning despite the court hearings.....

If Detroit wins, the story is what??? LA losing. How exciting is that?

The Pistons are winning because they're playing harder and playing as a team. The only fun story out of it is Larry Brown finally winning a title.

If Detroit holds on and wins it...congratulations---they've earned it.

What does the NBA have to gain from it? Nothing. I could name 10 other teams that have a more exciting story to tell if the league wants to rig it.

You forgot the scenario where the Lakers miraculously come back from 3-1 (I hope that does not happen)

Brilliant! If that happens, I will apologize to all conspiracy theorists, because without a last second Kobe shot in Game 2....this baby is a sweep.

Zoom, you've hit just about the only good story left!!! During Game 7, with the Lakers up by 4.....Colorado Police serve another arrest warrant for Kobe. He flees....during the entire second half, there's a split screen of the game and Kobe driving slowly down the 405 trying to elude police.

Instead of AC Cowlings....AC Green will drive the Bronco.


THAT'S a finish!!!

What about the story of Payton and Malone suing the nba for not allowing them to be traded to Detroit after Game 4.

LOL;) Thats one way to get a ring!

Being in blazer country, I have heard years of complaints about how the refs are rigging things for LA to win. Seen pages of stats "proving" that thesis.

I also have heard lots and lots of defense from Laker fans. Interesting to now hear Laker fans complain about the ref-ing. Already heard 3 laker fans at work complain about it. The same people that smugly have said "there is no fix in the NBA" for years.

Hope no one on this board has played both sides of arugment. But many sure have...

I'm enjoying watching the Pistons for the same reason I enjoyed watching the Patriots: fun to see a team game played as a team.

There is no fix. Watching the game last night LA was OC and couldn't control themselves, especially down the stretch.

As my roomie once said after Kobe attempted a 20 foot left handed shot ,"Who does he think he is?!" I was angered at the way Kobe played last night and I am not even a Lakers fan. What a horribly selfish arrogant player. His shot selection was garbage. You may be one of the best scorers in the league, but perhaps you should consider passing the ball rather then shooting an off balance contested fade away.

Detriot is playing well though. They are doing everything pretty much the best that they can. Only thing that really irked me in game 4 was those stupid And 1's they kept giving Diesel. As someone else stated in here already, if Shaq has the ball in the paint and is moving to the hoop you better crush his ass hard or get out of the way.

Go Pistons.

LOL. I watched the game with Hal and when that happened, I immediately told him that someone would bring it up on here as a rebuttal to any complaining Lakers fans may attribute to the refs. Yes, they blew THAT call, so what?

But, what has happened to make the Lakers, the team that has led the league in FT attempts this year, all of a sudden go to the line only 1/2 the time of their opponents. (For what it's worth, Detroit was 6th in fouls committed against them by the way). On top of that, Detroit's defense is good, but aggressive, shouldn't they be fouling the Lakers more? Aggressive defenses foul more. It doesn't make sense what's happening. For them not to be fouling must mean they are playing absolutely perfect, and that they are the greatest fucking defensive team known to man. I don't think so, the Lakers team in 2000 was better defensively in my opinion. If people want to call them a legendary defensive team, and use that as the answer to my question I have no qualms.

There is no fix or conspiracy or whatever per say, but I think it is just the ineptitude of the refs, which has gotten progressively worse the last few years.

That being said, the Lakers need to get their hands in their pockets, and not put Detroit in the penalty with 8 minutes to go in a quarter. That has been the norm this series and the difference.

Hal is gonna ban me for this.........

http://pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL146/...2/56602506.jpg

:D

Wow, Hal. I didn't see anyone whining while LA had a 2-1 foul advantage over Minnesota. It's a very old Phil Jackson schtick and now he has broadcaster Michael Thompson spreading the word, too.

Watch the game, man! Detroit hustles to position, cuts off access to the lane. LA sticks out a leg, an arm, an ass, grabs a jersey or an arm. Those aren't phantom fouls the refs are calling. If the Lakers want more even foul totals, they should foul the Pistons less.

Time for the Lakers to quit crying and start ballin'!

Ohhh my achin wallet!

In the regular season, Minnesota was 25th in fouls committed against them vs. 1st for the Lakers.

Haha, that's some funny shit man. I almost fell out of my chair.

Or mabye Karl Malone comes back with a robotic leg and leads the Lakers to a game 7 win.

On the whole officiating thing, the Lakers may have been called for a lot of fouls, but they also committed a lot of fouls. Luke Walton playing 12 minutes and fouling out was no accident. The Lakers made a ton of mental mistakes, and their frustration showed through.

Because we all know the regular season is the same atmosphere as the playoffs!

You Laker fans realize you have no hope left, right?

Refs took my beloved Minnesota out of it, my voodoo magiks is returning the favor.

For Lakers fan whining about the refs: give me a break. As long as officiating benefits your team, it's ok. You forget how many times the Kings were sodomized by the refs in their series against the Lakers. Remember Samaki Walker's after-the-buzzer three pointer that was counted? Remember game six of the Western Conference finals two years ago? Of course not (and there are many more instances). Calls are subjective and this series is far from being an example of it at its worst.

so, a friend has instilled some confidence in me. He's hopeful and so I will be as well. Something that every Laker opponent has had for years - game pressure. We're going back to LA!!!

Hang in ther Halx, I'm with ya brother!
GO LAKERS!

I HATE the Lakers! I'm only sorry they received that giftin game#2 or they would have been swept. Let the dismantle begin...

I'll think optimistically and try to think that this is shaping up to possibly become the greatest comeback in NBA history :)

and with you being an obvious Duke fan..... I hate the Blue Devils!

Ha!

Gut check time!

TEAMWORK vs STAR POWER


*****Round 5*****

My name is Grumpy, and I was wrong. I picked the Lakers in 6:(
But I own my mistakes, much like the Pistons have owned the Lakers. I watched the Pistons all season, and, while I knew that they were the beast in the east, I bought into the smoke and mirrors hype about the Western Conference. I overestimated the Lakers almost as much as they overestimate themselves, and I am ashamed.

But I am no Kobe! I am not more interested in my own success at the cost of the team's. I don't need to be the MVP to justify myself. A Piston championship, in however many games it takes, will thrill me! (But a win in game 5 will be extra sweet!:thumbsup: )

GO PISTONS!!!!!

You can say that after another piston's win, not before!

Pistons are going to win.

Its over, they won

So was that a Pistons win in 5 or 4 games? JK.

No one picked Pistons in 4 and only 5 picked them in 5 games.

Hey, Stuart Scott can talk like a normal person. He just interviewed Prince and never said Booyah or Dog or sang a stupid song. Huh?!?

Killed them...

*looks at updated sig*

YEAH BABY!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAH, its a good day!!!!!!!

Pistons in 4. No wait, Pistons in 5, with a "sympathy" home game for the Laker fans.

Sounds about right for me. Go Pistons!

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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

I'm kind of happy that the Spurs didn't make it to the Finals now. Then the Pistons would have made them look like shit too, and I would have been really pissed off.

Congratulations Detroit.

I'm so glad Karl Malone didn't get his ring. I feel bad that Phil Jackson didn't get his tenth. Looks like I'll have a good day at work tomorrow.

Awesome. Now Jack Nicholson can sit down and STFU!!!!