Bertuzzi punishment ???? (NHL)
 

I know I am biased but I think Todd Bertuzzi should have criminal changes pressed against him for the dirtiest hit I have ever seen in hockey (with the possible exeption of the stick to head shot a few years ago in a game also in Vancouver). Cheap ass hits with the intent to injure a player have no place in hockey. Hockey needs to clean up its image to survive, there is no big TV contracts because most people think it a barbaric sport.

I love a good clean hit but when there is a "bounty" placed on an opponents head then they go through with it the the classless way they did, then the player should be kicked out of the fucking league....

My vote is in. Todd Bertuzzi should not be allowed to play another minute of hockey this year. His cheap shot on Steve Moore should have just earned the POS a lifetime ban as well...

It's kind of like prosecuting Martha Stewart, she probably really doesn't deserve jail but she is heading there as an example. So I think you have to make an example of a superstar like Bertuzzi. Show the players that shit like dirty hits willl not be tolerated.....

Maybe then the league will find the fan base it is searching for...

In order to make judgement I must see a video clip complete with slo-mo action replay and multiple camera angles.

God damn I love being American.

Well, that was certainly a disgusting game...I mean it was just ugly.

Sorry about Steve Moore as well. He certainly didn't deserve it...I never thought his hit was that dirty.

But criminal charges? Surely you jest...how is a sucker punch any worse than high sticking or getting a cross check to the face? It's a physical game, and emotions are high when you're getting stomped 9-2.

My prediction, 10 games suspension...but even up to 12 would be fair.

In a slightly related string of events, I googled Todd Bertuzzi and found this humorous musical video. http://www.heavyeric.com/todd_bertuzzi_video.htm

Even though we were losing so badly, I was totally enjoying the game up to that point. As much as I wanted someone to get revenge on him for what he did to our captain, absolutely nobody wanted to see something like that. I heard Granato's interview after the game and he said he was conscious, was so glad to hear that I really hope that the guy is ok. I don't think criminal charges are called for, a LARGE fine and a good length suspension for sure, despite how much it'll hurt our team, stuff like this has no place in hockey and he really should be punished.

I like all the feeback. I know there would be no criminal charges, nor would I want there to be, but it got your attention....

Bounty on Bertuzzi anyone???

only kidding about the new bounty on Bertuzzi...

LOL I'm reading another Canucks board and a whole bunch of Av's fans are there talking about how much of a pussy he is for doing it now instead of last game when Av's could've retaliated tonight. While it was a pussy thing to do, I don't agree with them on that as last game pulling something like that would've affected the score and cost us a point, tonight, well, there was no hope after the first.

I do agree the way he did it was classless, and that he acted like a pussy. I don't think I would ever call him a pussy to his face, he is a big man. There was a legit fight with Moore earlier in the game and that should have been the end of it.

If any of the Canuck player watched the replay when Moore injured Naslund, I guess they did not want to agree with anyone without bias that it was a clean hit. There was no need for a bounty...

I don't really think there was a bounty, most of the night we were going after your star players a bit harsh, but nothing too bad, it was like it should be. The star players then bitch to the other guys not to pull shit, and everyone is happy. Bertuzzi's punch was all on its own really, totally ruined what was turning out to be a really entertaining game.

Steve Moore had multiple chances to fight cleanly, and refused throughout the game. It was coming in a way. Not to the point of what happened - Bertuzzi didn't mean for that to happen, obviously. But, punishment was due, though I agree that it was quite unfortunate (what happened). Honestly, I felt sick seeing him on the floor and hope he isn't seriously injured.

As well, you can't exactly call Moore's [unpunished] elbow into Naslund's face clean. Personally, I don't think there should be any suspension.

PS Av's fans, don't gloat - the Canucks had a bad game, possibly due to impending trades [good luck...], management issues, and a general lack of energy. Anyways, you guys were just stepped on by Calgary, so you know what a bad game is.

Moore fought Cooke earlier in the game Shadowz. And the hit on Nazzy was cheap but clean, there's no refuting that.

EDIT: And the MAJOR factor in the loss was Cloutier letting in 4 goals on 10 shots. Proved Silent_Jay's useless opinions on him totally wrong. I SOOOOOO hope we get Kolzig,

He didn't even have full control of the puck when Moore glided up to him, and pulled an elbow into his face.

He had his head down, I've seen tons of similar hits over the years that no one called foul on, if Nazzy hadn't have hit his head on the ice it would've been just another hit. It was a cheap thing to do, nothing dirty about it though.

I'm glad the Canucks have at least one good fan in "bigbad" cause if all the Canuck fans were pure homers like "Shadowz" with comments like that, then I would actually feel sorry for the Canucks...

Hey Shadowz, I think Nascar is calling your name...

WTF is Nascar? Don't think we get that in Canada ;)

your lucky...

I'm kidding hehe, I just don't know anyone who actually watches it up here though. Let's watch a car go in circles really really fast! Over and over! That's going offtopic though, I love all the Av's fans now bitching about Crawford all over the place. I think he handled the whole situation quite well.

Another thing I was totally glad of was that the Canucks fans cheered Moore off the ice. I thought it totally lacked class when we booed Chelios after he got hurt a couple games ago. I was really praying that people would show the guy some respect and not drag our poor city's name through the mud even more.

my battery is dead, I'll check back here in the morn and see if there are any other opinions...

later

I was there at the game and I can tell you that it was pretty freaking scary seeing the blood on the ice with him not even moving. Bertuzzi definately needs to be punished to the fullest extent for it. I don't know about criminal charges though, but with people always freaking about everything nowadays I wouldn't be surprised.

There's no need for that kind of shit in the game. If you want to scrap drop your gloves in front of the guy or something. Bertuzzi is an emotional player, but he needs a huge wake-up call for going overboard. :( He better give Moore an apology in person or over the phone...

Bertuzzi did try to drop the gloves exponent, Moore just skated away, and Bertuzzi took a swing from behind.

Worrell vs May

Moore vs Cooke

Blake vs Ruutu

Worrell vs May Round 2

Bertuzzi's cheap ass sucker punch

Your welcome all :D

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I hate to be a party-pooper, but that just looks stupid to me.

Not the Bertuzzi punch, but the way it appears to be an accepted part of the game.
The way the officials stand back and watch.
The way the crowd cheer every punch.
The way the players are punching other players who have helmets on.

But who can stop it? There are so many influences, it would take a strong sporting body to stop it completely.

:confused:

Bertuzzi is an idiot.
He should get the same 1-year suspension that Marty McSorley got.

I think I recall seeing his glove on his hand while he cheap shotted Moore. Moore did try to skate away, he already had one fight and if the score was not 8-2 AVS at the time then it might have been over with. Bertuzzi needs a minimum suspension of the rest of the season, including the playoffs.

I was looking at the schedule and what a coincidence, there are no more games this year between the AVS & Canucks. Bertuzzi is a pussy.

One good thing should come out of this for AVS fans, Bertuzzi's classless act should al but gaurantee the AVS 10th straight divsion title....

Vancouver still has a chance to catch up on the Avs..

After seeing both the Moore hit on Naslund and Bertuzzi hit on Moore, I'd say both players were stupid. How would you feel if a buddy of yours got a cheap hit from your rival team? Pretty pissed eh? But considering that mangitude of the hit on Moore, Bertuzzi was stupid enough to do something like that, especially for a veteran player like him...

I can understand Avs' coach reaction to Marc, after all he was smirking.

Oh yeah, don't forget yall Avs fan...Flames whooped your ass the night before 7-1, so don't be using this incident to hide your shame from that game :P

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just heard Moore has a broken neck and/or a broken vertabrae in his back, I pray to God it is only a rumor. If Moore is truly that hurt I only hope his gets better.

Bertuzzi better also be praying that it is not true, if it is, he is going to be one poor mother fucker with no job.

I know I was joking earlier about criminal charges but if the rumors about Moore's condition are true, then Bert should be locked up.

What a piece of shit!!!

McSorley - Brashear was a stick incedent
a sucker punch is a sucker punch but i find Moore to be in the same ranks of another turtle, "Clod" Lemieux, a chicken shit pissant that can't take a shot

as of 2:00 pm est - moore is in surgery for a cracked vert

Police investigate Bertuzzi for hit on Moore

Looks like the portent is true, and Bertuzzi is going to have a little heat on him for a while.

I'm a Canucks fan and I was very disgusted at Bertuzzi, who is my favorite player, when he did that. I'm sure it was part of the heat-of-the-action kind of thing only further fueled by the huge deficit they were facing at the time, but come on, your teammate nearly DIED a couple years ago in a similar incident. I don't think he should be suspended the whole season, but certainly 10 games.

Being a Senators fan living in Calgary, I'd like to think of myself as being somewhat neutral on the whole Vancouver thing. I should also point out that I have not see video of the event in question yet.

Nevertheless, I have an opinion (!).

Bertuzzi should be booted for the regular season and the playoffs. Someone metioned earlier that is what happened to McSorley when he clubber Brashear, so the precident has been set. To be honest, I think he should be banned from the NHL for good for this type of thuggery, but I know that will never happen.

Well, I hate both the Avs and the Canucks, so I am definitely impartial. The hit Moore thru on Nas was definitely set up, but it was clean, in my opinion. The sucker punch Bertuzzi thru on Moore was one of the cheapest shots I have ever seen in hockey. If the guy isn't mad enough to stay and fight you, than either you didnt do your job to get him rialed up enough, or he is too smart to fall for your BS. I agree totally with a 1 year suspension being his punishment, but if they didn't permenantly ban McSorley, they can't do that to Todd. But knowing the past calls of the league commission, they will probably fuck this up like they do everything else.

And as far as hockey fights in general, they are a necessary, and fairly entertaining part of the game. Much more often then not, a fight prevents injuries like this from happening if the refs allow the fight to come to an end naturally, rather than breaking it up. Often a 1 on 1 fight can releave the frustration of an entire team, stopping further scrums and intents to injure like this. If fighting was removed from the game, injuries like this would become common place in the NHL.

It's a good thing Vancouver picked up Rucinsky because Bertuzzi isn't going to be playing any hockey for the rest of this year. He's going to miss the playoffs as well.

I think suspend him for as long as Morre is out +10 games. If Morre ever plays again, Bertuzzi will be lucky.

any other sites that have the video?

He TRIED to have a real fight, Moore pussed out though, so he didn't have a chance for the gloves to come off. Moore turned his back on him, totally disrespecting him, and Bertuzzi took a cheap swing at him from behind. Not that I am saying what he did was right, I totally think it was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in hockey, but if Moore would've taken the challenge we wouldn't be worrying about this right now.

It was a pussy thing to do because Moore didn't have a chance, I don't think the timing has any relevance though. Had the previous game been a 9-2 blowout it would have had an equal chance of happening. Even if it wasn't the last meeting, Bertuzzi will most likely be suspended for the rest of the season, so Avs wouldn't have a chance at him anyways, right?

Here's a few things im sick of surrounding this situation:

1) There is NO FUCKING WAY Bertuzzi's punch cracked two vertebrae in Moore's body... It was probably from the several Avalance players piling on top of Bertuzzi while he was on top of Moore

2) There shouldn't be criminal charges under any circumstances... It was a sucker PUNCH... not a freakin stick... If he gets charged, its official that hands are weapons and they might as well just throw fighting out of hockey.

3) Moore should have fought Bertuzzi straight up... but he pussied out... and I know Bertuzzi SHOULD NOT have hit him from behind, however it could have been resolved like men... It wasnt

My prediction:

10-15 Games, stiff fine

And i pray Moore will be able to play again to his fullest extent...

Hopefully he'll take his lumps like a man in the first place instead of running away next time

Bertuzzi's punch likely didn't break his vertebrae, look at the way he fell though, Bertuzzi KNOCKED HIM OUT COLD and he couldn't put his hands up to brace himself. I think it was hitting the ice like that that did the actual damage.

Therefore:

Should be treated as any other on ice injury resulting from a hit...

Let's not overly penalize someone for an ACCIDENTAL injury... I guess it remains to be seen how remorseful Bertuzzi is... I dont think he should be penalized any more than someone would for a dirty cross check from behind

It's already been reported that he's feeling awful about the injury that occured. Personally, I don't see why an obviously accidental result has to be taken so harshly. At this point, I can see a 5-10 game suspension making sense. Anything else is just overkill.

The incident was pretty well the same as that of Matt Johnson and Jeff Beukeboom a couple years ago, except in magnitude of the injuries.

Johnson - Beukeboom incident

It should not be treated as just another injury, as the league has specific rules against deliberate injury of opponents. I think since the situation is so similar to the Beukeboom thing, the punishment should also be similar.

thats what i was thinking... good research and kudos to you for the link

i was thinking 10-15, 12 would seem right on for me anyway... yes he deliberately wanted to hurt moore

but i dont think he should get special punishment because of the accidental breaking of the neck due to a huge pileup

Moore already took the challenge with Cooke in the first period; how many Canucks does he have to fight until they're satisfied? Should the Canucks have just lined up to have Moore take them on one at a time? The fight with Cooke should have been sufficient.

As far as punishment from the league, Bertuzzi should be suspended at least through the end of the playoffs, but I don't think criminal charges should come into it. It was a cheap shot, but I don't think Bertuzzi meant to hospitalize Moore.

More links...

Sauer vs May while Moore is down

Bertuzzi cheap shot (this is the one I watched on TV, go Shorthouse!)

What was Granato thinking putting Moore, public enemy number 1 in Vancouver, out with 10 minutes left and the game's outcome all but settled? Everyone expected (or should have if they didn't) someone to go after him, both him and Granato should have known better.

I was wondering the same thing when i was watching... you would think that someone would have thought that it would be a bad idea

guess not... hindsight is 20/20

The Vancouver police are also investigating.. why is it that the police get involved when the fight ends up with someone severly injured but they dont' intervene during regular fights??

Do they do it for PR purposes?

better question:

why are they investigating this and leaving hundreds of drug addicts and prostitutes and assaults and murders uninvestigated in the downtown east side?

Thank you. I think the majority [huge] of people who have at least some reason will agree to this - why deal with sports injuries as assault, when there are more iimportant things to deal with?

I'm convinced that we should hire Canuck fans to finally figure out who killed JFK. I have spent most of the day reading different forums and I just have to laugh.

Accidental injuries... that is bulls..t

I actually read on the Canuck board that Bert was trying to protect Moore (probably the most assanine statement I ever read and the hundred or so fans that agreed with the crock)

Watch it slow, fast or any way you want to watch it but the reality it was a barbaric act and needs to be punished.

I am now also convinced that I will not be satisfied if Bert is EVER allowed to play in the NHL again & I sent an email to the commissioner today to that affect. (I doubt it will happen but at least I know I voiced my opinion to the man who makes the decsion)

I don't think any criminal charges would do anything but waste the poor jurors time. There was no real punishment for Mcsorley in the Canadian courts (no fine, no jail, no nothing) Let the league take care of their own problems...

I am listening to Sarah Bloor (police public relations) on the TV as I type this, she says that a number of people called the cops and reported it as a crime, and as a result they have to investigate it. It will be up to Crown Council whether the charges go through, seriously doubt it will go that far though.

What a waste of time & money....

Let the league deal with it, if Moore's teammates are not happy with the punishment then there will an ongoing saga.

LMAO Protect him?!? That's a good one, like saying Bush was trying to protect the Iraqi people lol. Had a discussion about it in class, not one person tried to defend what he did, and most of them said that he should be punished. The people on those boards are the dregs of the Canucks fans Go_Avs, don't use them to base your opinion of all of us, please! ;)

Never would bigbad, they did give me quite a few good laughs today though...

It was a punch, his neck broke when 5 people fell on him, wasn't that the punch broke his neck, give Bertuzzi a couple of games and a fine, and suck it up., as for the cops investigating that is just stupid, I agree with the majority, get the dealers and whores and killers leave the hockey players alone. Moore learned a hard lesson, don't cheap shot the superstar (Naslund) or this is what happens, it really wasn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be, I just don't see it

Exactly let the league deal with it and keep the police investigation out of the NHL. If an incidence escaladed to police investigation, then let the league decide.

The hearing is going on right now I think. One fan was heard screaming to ban him for 4 years and give him a 3 million dollar fine. I don't agree with the 4 years but I say suspend him for a good amount, cut his salary per year and stick Bert under a probationary program that the NHL looks over. Sounds way out of left field I guess but just a suggestion among 10 million out there.

*eagerly awaits decision from higher ups*

I don't get it.

Let's say I have a classic car and some idiot on a cell phone runs into me and totals it. My emotions are gonna be running pretty high, but if I slam him to the ground and break his neck, I go to jail.

Why is the fact that they're playing hockey an excuse for a blatant assault?

What about some different scenarios...

1) How about you hit someone, they fall down into the road and get hit by a car and die. Who is responsible, the driver of the car or the one that hit the person initially??

I sure as hell hope it is not the guy driving the car.

2) Hit someone, they fall onto train tracks, train comes, smashes guy. Is the conductor responsible...

Bert has to go down...

I want to know if the NHL has any balls...

Apparantly the police are investigating this matter cuz the public has called them. and it's their duty to follow up on all assault charges. So i'm guessing, had the public not complained to hte police directly, they would not have been involved.

No, it was Bertuzzi's shot that broke Moore's neck, most definitely, people falling on them didn't help, but Bertuzzi didn't punch him. He grabbed him and shoved him face first into the ice. It looked like the WWE there for a second. This was uncalled for and stupid, and to think this was the same guy who had some really stern words for Marty McSorley. The wussing out of a fight defense is bullshit, it just is. If a player chooses not to fight, that's his prerogative you shouldn't think less of a player who does not like to fight, Mike Modano absolutely hates to fight and he's one of the toughest, most complete players out there. Bertuzzi took a cheap shot, and should be suspended for the rest of the season and then his status reevaluated at the beginning of next season. Hope you Canucks enjoy a first round exit from the playoffs.

thanks for your expert opinion in the matter that "bertuzzi definitely broke his neck"

:rolleyes:

Im hearin the statement for his punishment will be made at 9 am thursday.

ARGH!!! the anticipation!

there is no need to be sarcastic towards archer for making the same kind of statement you just made a few posts ago. None of us really know how the neck fractures happened, but I will say that it probably wasn't the punch. But who knows whether it was Betuzzi's 245lbs initially piling on top of Moore, or the next 5 200 pounders that piled on top of Bertuzzi that caused either one or both of the fractures.

First off, for all non-hockey fans who are disgusted with fighting, it is part of the game and really you need to know about the game to truely understand the dynamics of it all.

Secondly, having seen the punch as well as basically everything else going on etc. Bertuzzi did act in a stupid way that lead to an unfortunate injury. I feel that a suspension til at least the end of the season is going to happen and honestly the thing boils down to it was a premeditated act that was brutal.

Secondly Moore did not just learn a hard lesson. He finished his check and while it was on a superstar which is a unwritten rule, I think you can agree the idea is not to pounce the man from behind and commence beating. Bigbad regarding the question on why Moore was even out there with ten minutes left? I think Granato was probably just running shifts as usual and since there had been multiple fights already in the game he probably ddin't forsee anything huge happening.

Overall I'm kind of in the middle. I for one think that the hit Naslund recieved was a hard hit but not cheap. The hit Moore recieved was a cheap hit. The ensuing injury was bad also. Bertuzzi should be suspended for the rest of the season and the frist round of the playoffs. A fine would be good also but no investigation. I'm sure Bert is sorry, but I find the hit was unwarranted.

How can an elbow to Naslund's face when he is on his knee's, not be considered cheap that means Moore would of been diving towards him, while Bertuzzi went about things the wrong way if the league would of dealt with the initial violation there would have been fewer reprecussions

Exactly! And if Bertuzzi had simply punched Moore, instead of grabbing the back of his head and driving him to the ice, the dogpile would never have happened.

Cheap shots are not uncommon, the second move that ensured that Moore went face first to the ice was the crime. The replay I saw looked like assault. Bertuzzi should be prosecuted.

Already done to an insane amount. ;)

PS: Pushing him to the ice? More like slipping on the stick and falling on him, since he had his wegiht on the guy, and couldn't really avoid the fall.

The neck fractures probably happened when he first fell to the ice. If you look at it, the head nails the ice at a bad angle. For anyone that has fallen on ice, you know it can hurt, no imagine basically all your body weight falling and landing head first, that's a good neck-breaking possibility.

The NHL needs to stop excessive violence like this, but it needs to be fair. Bertuzzi gets a lifetime suspension? If that's going to be the gold standard, the NHL is going to lose A LOT of players. If the league wants to be fair, suspend him for the rest of the season (Which basically screws the Canucks) and take away a year's pay.

$6.633 million

Let me be more clear:

$6.633 million USD

Hit em where it hurts, their pocketbook. That would send one hell of a message across the NHL.

FYI: Colin Campbell has scheduled a press conference to announce the league's action against Bertuzzi at 7:00 AM Mountain time.

If you see the video, Moore was already knocked unconscious right after the hit, before he hit the ice, therefore he was not able to brace himself. Also when your own teammates jump on and others jump on top of you, it will not help.

Police? Are they fucking crazy? Will they start bitching about all the hockey fights? How about in baseball when a pitcher intentially throws a ball at a batter? That can be considered assault. Please, the police? You have to be out of your mind. The Avalanche fans are just mad because of the punch so they wanna have the MAXIMUM possible sentence on him. That is a load of crap. I will be honest, I am a Blues fan, I hate Bertuzzi and I hate the Avanlanche. But that was a sucker punch, and the ensuing injuries were accidental.

My opinion: 5 game suspension for attempt to injure.

he's getting a lot more than 5 games

the nhl feels it needs to "set an example" im guessing

plus with everyone calling for blood it might be curtains for 'Tuzzi's season

I'd be real surprised if he gets less than the rest of the season plus playoffs if only because there is a very real chance that the Avs and Canucks will meet in 1st or 2nd round. That'd get real ugly real fast.

yes it will

and the Avs are gonna roll the canucks if they play them in the playoffs

sad but true

maybe the Avs will roll the Canucks, the Canucks are still a good team even without Bertuzzi, this is another example of things being blown out of proportion, Bertuzzi is going to be hung because everyone is already up in arms about the high-sticking and players not respecting each other, this has nothing to do with players not respecting each other, Bertuzzi never intended to break Moore's neck it was a freak accident that happens when you have people piling on top of an unconcious player I agree with soccerchamp76 5 games sounds reasonable although attempt to injure is not the right call the suspension should be for stupidity instead.

IT'S HOCKEY! This is the first broken neck I have heard of in the game in the last half dozen in pro football.. Sucks? Yes. His fault? Not really.

If that's your marketing, if goon chic is your niche, then there will be cheap shots.

Live with it.

Make him wear a tu-tu in his next 230 minutes on the ice.

<small>Disclaimer I haven't figured out if I despise hockey or hockey players, or if I just don't understand the game, but, if it disappeared from the planet tomorrow, my life would be only slightly less rich. Moreso than if cricket were to be abolished, slightly less so than if baseball had never been.</small>

with theories like this, I was wondering if you can tell us where Hoffa is buried

He drove him to the ice, he did not try to protect Moore, he tried to protect himself....

You probaly even think his apology was sincere...

The only thing he is sorry about is screwing his team's season..

I just wish they made the announcement today ending all the speculation about the length of suspension.

This is an excerpt from ESPN.com

Exhibit A: Hitting someone from behind with a glove on your hand is the most horrible act of the season, and it warrants a very long suspension ... perhaps a full season.

Exhibit B: Hitting someone standing in front of you with your bare fists warrants ... a five-minute penalty and one game off.

Now back to me talking: Now think about this...was Bertuzzi delibertely trying to break Moore's neck and leave in a pool of his own blood? The answer is no. Hits happen all the time and sometimes things can go wrong, accidents happen. He meant for it to hurt, but not to take him out for the season.

Intent to break his neck shouldn't really matter in this case, because who in their right mind would intend to break a guy's neck in a game? Of course he didn't intend to, but the fact is Bertuzzi did sucker punch him with an intent to injure him, even if what he intended wasn't as severe as what actually happened. It was a really stupid move, and there is no excusing it, even though Moore brought it on by pussing out.

I don't know about that, I've watched it over and over and Bertuzzi couldn't have known that he'd knocked him out, so he was just using him as a cushion believing that Moore would put his hands out to protect himself. It wasn't like "I'm gonna take this unconcious guy and slam his head into the ice", if you look at any other hit where both guys fall you'll see pretty well the same thing.

And I totally believe his apology was sincere, look at his face, it looks like he's been crying for days. You'd have to be a sociopath not to feel any guilt over a situation like this, and I doubt he's that.

9am Eastern 6am Pac the league's haveing a press conference, damn them making me get up that early :|

The pile up contributed nothing, it was all done just as Bertuzzi fell on him an not when the other 5 people fell on him, please watch the video if you want to drive someone's head into the ice you don't simply fall on them, saying his apology was insincere without any proof is really not a factor unless you actually asked Bertuzzi, it's your opinion and given your user name a biased one at that, if Bertuzzi really meant to hurt him he would have grabbed him by the back of the head and drove his head into the ice.

28 games rest of the regular season + post season and if he can return will be determined next fall, what a fuckin joke I hope all the fuckin pussies that pissed and moaned and called for his head are happy, another episode blown out of proportion congrats, next time someone ends a career with a knee remember this and how people don't think that is a big deal, what a fuckin joke the NHL is Bettman ands Campbell are the biggest fuckin tossers I've ever seen.

Bertuzzi is a scapegoat for all the highsticking ealiers this year, they missed those calls they better hang Bertuzzi because people are bitching, and they may not have a chace to save face Fuckin joke

Bertuzzi suspended for the rest of the season (13 games = $501K) plus the playoffs and must reapply next season AND the Canucks have been fined $250K

oh yeah - and should they make the playoffs it could total 41 games

He should be suspended. As far as criminal charges, what happens on the ice, IMO stays on the ice. If the NHL wants to punish you, thats rightfully so.

However, the Canadian Police are pending investigation on the subject, there was a small blurb about it on Rome is Burning.

The suspension isn't big enough. He purposely blindsided another human being, another hockey player, smashed and rubbed his head into the ice, and broke a mans neck. Possibly jepordizing another persons playing career. It's not enough.

Shall we crucify him as well would thast sastify the blood-sucking masses, holy shit people get blindsided in the NHL everyday, worse things happen, how do you know the kid would of had a career he was rookie they get called up and sent down like mad, he may have never played again anyways, Colin shit the bed on this one I just hope the next time some european throws out the knee on someone he and all the rest of you blood-suckers out there remember that you wanted Bertuzzi crucified for his actions and a knee is 100 times worse than this.

how can you say a knee is 100 times worse than this??

They say Moore will probably have a full recovery, that does not mean he will play hockey again. Do you know if he will have to have his vertabrae fused, if so he will most likely have to do it throughout his life. They are both bad injuries and should be punished alike, if someone throws and leg out and takes someone's knee out, then punish them harsh. Clean the game up of the dirty crap and the league might get the fans they are after. I think hockey the way it should be played is the best of all the sports, but I hate the cheap shit!!

As for the punishment, it is in line of what I expected, but not what I hoped for. I just hope everyone will learn from it but I doubt they will. I don't know if you saw the highlights of the Lightning/Hurricane game from last night but some guy from the Hurricanes took a 2 hand swing at a Lightning player's head.

It is a screwed up league right now that needs to be cleaned up, but still my favorite sport as a fan....

Man, what are you talking about? That has to be the worst logic i've ever heard. We'll probably never know if he would have had a career now, thanks to Bertuzzi. It would be a different situation if he had made a legal check on him and he got seriously hurt, but he didnt. He came up behind him, sucker punched him in the side of the head, and drove him into the ground, landing on top of him and jamming his neck into the ice with intent to keep pounding on him. Had a player not been near and he had kept hitting him, he could have murdered him.

According to your logic, teams shouldn't play any games because they could lose anyway. Hell, according to your logic, people shouldn't live their lives because they could just walk outside and get shot or hit by a car. That has to be the dumbest excuse i've ever heard. I don't care how much he intended to hurt him, the point is that he intended to hurt the guy by ASSULTING him, something that he would be in jail for if he weren't on the ice. The punishment for it is just, and well deserved.

EDIT: I see your a canadian, which means I bet your a canucks fan. If this had happened to Bertuzzi, rather than him causing it, I bet you would be crying bloody murder.

so because I'm a Canadian I must be a Canuck's fan good American logic, I'll just look outside my igloo and see if the dogsled trail is clear and head over to Vancouver, maybe find out where I live in Canada before you start thinking you know who I cheer for there are more than Vancouver in the league and Canada is bigger than just BC, as for my logic being the worst you've ever heard the kid has barely had a cup of tea in the league he may or may not have been a good player we'll never know my personal opinion is that he'll be back but to each his own, if you think I was talking about people nopt leasding their lives because they may die, good show at reading too much into my statement, it was meant as people say the kid will never play again and who knows if he would have stayed in the NHL anyways.

First off, from previous experience I would advise you guys to throw Silent_Jay on your ignore list.

I think this was a pretty fair ruling, as long as he does get to play again next year, but I don't agree with the Canucks getting fined as well, and I especially don't agree with the fine being so large.

And I say again...

throw yourself on an ignore list (I'll edit myself to save the mods) you think that past experience has anything to do with my opinion man you really are a (oops better edit myself again) discount your own opinion and while your at it pull your head out of your ass this is a form and everyone can speak freely their opinion on a subject that is brought before them. just because I have an opinion that doesn't agree with yours don't pout and sulk like a baby, my opinion is as valids as everyone elses maybe if I caved to your way of thinking that would make it better for you. you quote yourself yet tell people to put me on an ignore list, seems rather high and mighty of you to think that you have the only valid opinion.

When Bertuzzi said “I had no intention of hurting you and I feel awful for what transpired” he really should have said "I had no intention of hurting you THAT MUCH and I feel awful for what transpired".

there was clear intent to hurt. i'm happy that he's gone for the rest of hte season and the playoffs.

So, you aren't a canuks fan then? Also, grammar is your friend. If you want people to read what you have to say, make it easier to read than just typing out whatever first comes to you head.

They aren't punishing Bertuzzi because "people are bitching". They're punishing him because he maliciously attacked someone from behind, with intent to cause harm. Just because he was a rookie doesn't mean that the person that assulted him shouldn't be punished, which is exactly what you are saying. Can't you get it through your head that he easily could have killed a man? He changed the rest of his life, forever, because he was angry. Should people that kill babies not be considered murderers because the baby could have died the next day, or had a useless life?

let's keep this civil, folks!!!

i knew you'd all understand... :D

I see a lot of talk here about intent, as if we know what was going on in his head at that exact moment. My question is, what do you think would have happened if Moore didn't get hurt? What if he just dropped and turtled? Same sucker punch, but no major injury. Would we be talking about Bertuzzi intending to seriously injure Moore? Probably not.

SLM3

He intended to hurt him. He was knocked out cold by the time he hit the ice, and yes, its unfortunate that he landed like that, but Bertuzzi landed on top of him and drove him into the ice and kept trying to hit him. It wasnt like he slapped him upside the head and kept moving. He was obviously trying to beat the hell out of the guy. If it were just one punch, and thats it, then no, the punishment wouldn't be as severe. But, as I said, after hitting him, he drove him into the ice like that, accident or not, and kept on trying to hit him. I doubt he was thinking anything but causing illegal harm.

hehehe that's a funny picture. I'm sure he was thinking "what I wanna do here is cause some illegal harm, non of that pussy ass legal harm, but some illegal stuff, that's what we're after here."

Just kidding of course. I agree that he definitly was out to hurt him.

It would be interesting to see what would have happened however if the exact same cheap shot happened and he fell down on top of him and continued to try and hit him and everything was the same only Moore wasn't seriously injured. What would the call be then?

As it is, I think the punishment is pretty fair, there's no room in hockey for shit like that. No honor in knocking someone out when he doesn't see it coming.

If there wasn't a huge injury, then the punishment wouldn't be (and shouldn't be) as severe. Its the combination of the intent and the actual injury that makes his punishment worse. The same happens in the legal system, thats why theres attempted murder. Not saying he was trying to kill him, but just making a point.

Sorry for the late reply about my response to the sentence... but i was at school all day.... my bad

Anyway... this is worse than what i was expecting... I second (or third?) the notion that 'Tuzzi is a scapegoat for what has been going on all season with the cheap shots. Ten years ago this would have been like 5 games... but its a different game now... so i guess were gonna have to live with it.

At least the canucks picked up some decent talent... with sanderson scoring a goal in his first game without even practicing wth the team yet.

its a damn shame... especially since its up for review next year...

And to everyone who says the apology was insincere... ive been in this dudes shoes... seriously seriously injuring someone in a sport... you're NEVER out to do it, sometimes your emotions take over and it happens... and you live with it for the rest of your life




that is all

"I know I am biased but I think Todd Bertuzzi should have criminal changes"

Exactly your biased so you shouldn't even be talking because your views are exactly that . .biased.

"Cheap ass hits with the intent to injure a player have no place in hockey."

I guess Moore should have faced some type of punishement for taking out the Captain of the Vancouver Canucks with a cheap hit.

"but when there is a "bounty" placed on an opponents head then they go through with it the the classless way they did"

How about we take it a step further and talk about the Avs management. What kind of idiots are they to allow Moore to play the game? I'll even give you the first two periods what is he STILL doing on the ice in a 8 - 2 blowout in the third period? He's a marked man . i guess the coaches don't care about his safety.


Bottom line: Bertuzzi was in the wrong he shouldn't have done what he did. Avs players piling on top of him after the hit only added to the injuries. The suspension sounds good to me. He done for the year and loses half a million dollars. If Moore have showed any regret towards his hit on Naslund this could have ended differently. But he didn't . .in the locker room afterwards he didn't even show remorse for the concussion he inflicted.

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hey Nimbletoe grammar has nothing to do with my argument so get down off your high horse, you seem to have all the inside information, you know exactly what Bertuzzi was thinking and you know that this has changed everything, and you even know what his intentions are you must be working for JO JO's psychic alliance or something, 5 games would have been plenty even now poor Bertuzzi a scapegoat for all the missed calls.

and by the way what the fuck is legal harm Jesus, and once again how do you know what Bertuzzi's intentions were to cause him "illegal harm" or "legal harm"? are you psychic or just the know all. Oh yeah they are punishing Bertuzzi because of the bloodsuckers if no one bitched no one would care.