A-Rod to N-Y
 

Newsday reports that the Yanks are interested in trading for disgruntled Texas SS Alex Rodriguez. The "trade" would send Alfonso soriano, Jose Contreras and a minor leaguer to the Rangers for the high priced former MVP.


I appreciate someone dangling that in front of the Yankee fans---but does anyone actually believe that this is possible??? If Boston couldn't get it done with Nomar, do you think NY can get it done with Soriano as the centerpiece of the deal??

This would be pretty stupid on alot of levels.
1. Texas isn't getting very much at all.
2. George must have forgot that he already has an all-star shortstop - and a true leader whom the team revolves around.

gov135....., you reminded me of a key part of the story I forgot to include. (JoeyB--the B stands for dumbass)

According to Newsday, A-Rod wants out of Texas so badly, he's willing to move to 3B.

I agree completely with your first point. Soriano, a prospect and who knows how old Contreras actually is doesn't seem to be a great package.

Well, the prospect is supposedly Navarro, who I think is the heir apparent to Posada, so it's not like he's just any crap. Of course, it means he's the team's last real prospect.

The deal makes no sense. You can survive with a 3B platoon with what you have elsewhere. The deal opens a big hole at second. And, moving A-Rod makes no sense as he's a better shortstop both defensively and offensively then Jeter could ever dream of being.

Not to mention that even with Navarro and Soriano, the Rangers are getting a Texas-sized shaft.

This trade is stupid on both ends.

The Yankees currently have a hole at 3rd. Doing this trade will fill the hole at 3rd, but create one at 2nd and lose a starter.

The Rangers would be getting rid of Arod, but get a good hitting 2b that can't field for crap, a pitcher that is unproven and a prospect that is just that.

No way will this trade happen.

They would make A-Rod a 2B? ugh

who's to say that Soriano remains at 2B? If I'm Texas, I make this trade... convert Soriano to CF, and sign someone like Todd Walker to play 2B...

FWIW,

Now I just heard on CBS that CBS sportsline and also, as mentioned before, Newsday report that the Yankees and Rangers have AGREED, in principle, to make this trade. It is no longer a rumor..............allegedly.

The Yankees' payroll is now close to $190 million. Of the 29 other teams, maybe three are more then half that amount.

In 1975 Bowie Kuhn, the commissioner at the time, vetoed a deal between the Yankees and A's where Steinbrenner bought three of the A's best players for well over a million dollars. His reasoning was that it went against the best interests of baseball. If Selig has any brains in that apparently empty skull of his, he will do the same thing here.

As for the players involved, I can't figure out why Texas would do this except to get rid of A-Rod's contract. They have a very good young secondbaseman in Michael Young, and Soriano sucks defensively. Contraras was terrible in NY, so why would he be any good in that pitcher's hell the Ballpark in Arlington?

Funny thing is, A-Rod's isn't the contract holding the team back; it's CHan Ho Park's. If they could get rid of HIM and as much of his contract as possible, they would be fine.

There is no way to convince me that this deal should happen.

Heh, I like this trade, saves me the trouble of creating a super-team like I do in every baseball computer game ;)

Umm it gives the Rangers 20 million more a year to sign on players....if they had had that amount 2 months ago they would have been players for Vlad, Tejada and any other major player out there.

Yankees do it because George wants to stick it to the Red Sox and this would be huge in doing...thumbing his nose...haha we pulled off what you couldnt.

BTW Tim Kurijian (sp?) just said he thinks it is really going to happen and he usually knows his shit.

Art

One other piece that we are missing - the player's union. They need to okay this deal, and if A-Rod is looking at a contract hit the size of the one he was gonna take to go to Boston, the union will veto the deal.

I seriously doubt that the Yankees are worried enough about the money to try and renegotiate the contract.

This trade sucks for the Yankees and is totally unneeded. I hope it gets vetoed to high hell.

As a lot of you know - I am a huge Yankees fan. I like that they keep what they grow and am still upset about Pettite. Screw a 25 million dollar player. It is totally not needed. Sign some more pitching or something, but this is crazy. wasn't the butt load of power that we signed in Sheffield enough?

The Yanks may be losing Soriano... but if they're getting A-Rod, who the hell cares that there's a hole at 2nd base? Put some minor league scrub there, and you've still improved your team significantly.

That being said, the Yankees still have a weak pitching staff, which will make their $200 million payroll [which seems to be approaching the GNP of several third-world countries] and lack of World Series Championship title come October all the more hilarious.

Doesnt the article say "minor-league pitcher"? I didnt see anyting about Contreras in that newsday article although i did hear of Navarro and Contreras in a seperate article talkin of a "possible" deal... if this is for a minor leaguer and soriano for a-rod... wow..

( although i really like soriano.. )

They could have done the same at third with a platoon that would be better then anything they could get at second now, kept Soriano, and not have to worry about egos clashing or bringing forth the wrath of millions of baseball fans (not that Steinbreener would ever care about either :rolleyes: ).

Are you suggesting Soriano + platoon = Arod + Platoon? :D

I wouldnt want to trade Soriano for A-Rod... Soriano was one homer away from a 40-40 season (correct me if Im wrong)... This whole Yankees-Sax fued is getting ridiculous.

go SAX!

...... 1 homer away from 40-40... ... .. .. . . Excuse me.. did A-Rod NOT win the MVP last year? did he NOT hit 40 homers 6 yrs in a row? almost hittin 60 two years ago? Striking out 3 times less than soriano, and a gold-glove winner.

I love Soriano, but anyone who says this is bad for the Yanks is just forcing it...

The Sox took Schilling after talks broke down w/ the Yanks, and we took A-rod after talks broke down w/ Sox. Sheff, Vasquez, Brown > Foulke

Go Yanks~ :D

Todd Walker is a Cub, good like signing him at 2nd.

If you think Soriano for A-rod is stupid, your just that.

Yankee's signed Homer Bush this year, he has struggled the last few years, but the guy knows how to hit, he hit .320 in 1999. Started 100+ games at 2nd base with less then 10 errors. He's a carrer .290 hitter.

The guy knows how to hit, injuries have kept him from getting it done the last few years. It didn't cost them much, he's a good fielder, this guy can play, maybe he's finally healthy again.

can we just all get a resounding 'fuck the yankees'?

'fuck the yankees'


Of course the feeling was there before the agreement in principle.

lol haha...

Certainly not. Off the top of my head he was 7-2 with a 3 something ERA. And that ERA is actually better than it would seem. Remember he STUNK when he started and pitched excellent once he recovered from his injury. He had one bad start against boston and a bad outing against boston in the playoffs, but aside from that he was far from terrible.

This is an awesome trade for th eYankees , Steinbrenner knew for a long time that Arod was going to be a yankee.

I just wonder how much they had to pay Boone for pretending getting hurt lol. j/k

But do you really think that Steinbrener has any intention having a weak 2nd base.
He knows something that we don't.

Also isn t Arod/ Jeter really good friends.

Right there that is a big plus.

I hope that this trade goes through only even for the simple fact that it would piss off Boston fans.

I wonder if Soriano has killed himself yet.

The amazing thing is, that when you look at pitching, defense and intangibles, Boston still might have the better team.

I can't imagine someone being reluctant to trade Soriano for one of the all-time greats. Soriano is an incredible talent, but if you can get A-Rod, you get him.

On the Contrares issue: I really liked seeing what he could do at the end of last year. After he got comfortable, he really played well.

I was / am looking forward to seeing him either in the rotation for the Yanks or as the killer setup man for Rivera. That 1 - 2 punch of unhittable guys out the the pen is always great. I hope he is not included if this stupid trade does go through. (Notice I am still in the denial phase of this)

Finally - where is mikeychulupa on all of this?

Checkmate to the Red Sox. I do not see how the Yankees will lse with that line-up. I am a Cubs Fan and I am extremely happy that the Yankees are in the AL. The Evil Empire has done it again.

It won't matter much when Foulke, in game 7 of the 2004 ALCS, strikes out Jeter, A-Rod, and Giambi in order to send the Sox back to the World Series for the first time since '86.

This is like Rasheed Wallace getting traded to the Hawks, he's a star player on a shitty team.

I wonder how much he can take...

just so everyone is clear, Contrares is NOT part of this deal. It is Soriano and a player to be named later ( which is supposedly not Navarro).

Exactly. You hit the nail on the head.

somewhere i read before how much big G just had to pay as a luxury tax for being over the cap, any numbers on how much he just paid and what this will do to that number next season?

I don't understand why the Yankees aren't moving Jeter instead of A-Rod. A-Rod is a much better fielder. This deal makes perfect sense to me for everyone. The Yankees get A-Rod and lose only Soriano(if anyone else of note was included, they would be named now). Good deal. The Rangers get rid of $16 million of payroll a year for a player that wasn't the answer to their problems. Good Deal. A-Rod gives up $9 million a year to play for a team that has averaged a World Series win every 4 years for the last century. Good Deal. Soriano gets to go to a last place team that still doesn't have any pitching. Goo.. Ok, it is a good deal for almost everyone involved.

its not definete that the yankees will win the world series.... they'll score a lot of runs but their pitching sucks... unless they trade for one of the A's pitchers i still think boston can beat them with their addition of schilling

Well that is welcome news! I would not say their pitching sucks - it is just not what it used to be. I always love to remember the days of Wettland and Rivera as setup and closer (not in that order). I think that if they can beef up their pen some more OR Karsay does really well they can win a shitload of games. Karsay used to be pretty good. If "Flash" can get it done, we can just have our starters go 6 or so and then shut it down and own 6 - 7 - 8. That is the team I cannot wait to see. If that is it, their starting rotation will look pretty damn nice after all this talk.

I just went back and looked at one of my favorite Yankees teams ever: 1996. Like I said - I loved that bullpen really think THAT was the key to that team. Games were OVER by the 6th inning b/c Rivera and Wettland were unhittable in 7-9.

Check out their rotation then:

Pettite 3.87ERA
Jimmy Key 4.68
Kenny Rogers 4.68
Dwight Gooden 5.01
Cone / Rimero Mendoza ~4.50

These guys were a collection of older vetrens that had just enough left in the tank. If we look at this year's staff (Projected)

Kevin Brown
Jose Contrares
Jon Leiber
Javier Vasquez
Mike Mussina

I would say it is almost BETTER than it was in 1996 from a starter view. The 'pen of:

Gordon
Rivera
Karsay
Gabe White
Felix Heredia

Is not too bad at all. Karsey and Gordon are not too shabby.

Well, like I said above, I don't like the trade, but I do think this team is going to be very good. The lineup is just staggering and I won't even bother talking about it.

Go Yanks!

For the luxury tax, I believe it is something like this. However much over the limit you are, you have to pay 50% of that amount as luxury tax. I think the limit is something like $115-120 million, so the Yankees would have to pay $35-37 million in tax.

Not chump change, but not necessarally a restriction on them.

Personally, I think that if they want to keep this system, they should at least make it a 200% tax or something. Steinbrenner might not worry about a $190 million payroll when he has to pay $35 million, but I think he'd be discouraged somewhat if he had to pay $140 million.

Of course, Bob Costas' plan from his book Fair Ball is even better IMO.

I am okay with the luxury tax as long as it also establishes a MINIMUM salary as well. There are teams out there with cheap ass owners who just sit back and wait for their tax payment to come in. I say you can only get your share of the tax if you field a quality team. It is supposed to promote parity between big and small market teams right? Well let's see them put their money where their mouth is.

Don't pocket it you POS cheap bastards. Trot a out team that can win and see what happens. Just look at the Angels and the Marlins. You don't need the highest salary to win. . . Just a reasonable one.

That's why I like Costas' suggestion.

Take all the media revenue, both local and national, from all the teams and throw it in a pot. Each team takes an equal amount of this. This amount becomes the minimum salary floor for the next season, so every team has to spend that much. The salary cap would be 3-4x that, or something similar.

Each team keeps their ticket revenue in the structure they use now (visiting team gets 30-40% or something), and all other revenue they get from merchendising and concessions and that stuff.

This keeps teams like the Sox and Yankees from buying whomever they can get, while teams like Milwaukee and Pittsburgh have to spend a certain amount on players.

yeah - that is not bad - although I would say the home team should be able to keep at least a percentage of their own TV money. It would kind of suck to have to give up all your money for TV when you negotiate a better contract than anyone else.

Football does it that way, but football has a way more national presence than baseball.

Not terrible though and better than what it is now.

...and all of this started because Aaron Boone went down with an injury. Once again, Aaron *bleeping* Boone screws the Red Sox. Once off a knuckleball and once from a basketball.

Boone won't contribute much to the stat page as a Yankee, but when A-Rod hits his 700th homerun in pinstripes, we'll think of you, Aaron.

assuming Soriano bounces back from his postseason funk... this is a great trade for Texas. much, much better than what they would've gotten from Boston. in fact, it seems the only real loser in this trade would be the Red Sox.

I'm really starting to hate baseball now. Is it too early to think about the NFL?

This trade makes perfect sense. They are not paying ARod nearly as much as the Rangers were. He will average 16 million or so a year for the rest of his contract from the Yanks. Any team would sign him for that.

Soriano is a very good player, and he is 3 years younger....but ARod is the best player in the game. I just hope all of the ego's will work together.

This whole trade, in my opinion is to cement the fact that noone but the Yankees can win.

Sure the Cubs and BoSox may have a little something something, but this is baseball saying they give up.

I expect come the next collective bargaining session, MLB tells the union either they get a salary cap and revenue sharing or we'll see I'd say close to 10 teams fold. They cannot keep affording to lose fans by the millions like they are.

If they don't fix baseball, within 10 years there won't be baseball.

Hrmmmm - The Diamondbacks, Angels and Marlins won the World Series the last three years. I would think someone like you could sit back and laugh when the Yankees don't win instead of complaining about something that has not held true.

By the way - these small market teams are doing just fine living off the luxury tax payments and fielding cheap crappy teams year in and year out. Complain to your local owner about his not spending money if you want a better team. Your $10 hot dog that you bought at the game last year told me to tell you that.

No baseball team has EVER won a World Series with a player making $100+ million. The Yankees now have four such players in Giambi, Brown, Jeter, and A-Rod; none of whom is worth near the money they make, even in baseball terms.

They might be able to hit but the Yanks sure can't pitch. Boston vs. Cubs or Phils

"This whole trade, in my opinion is to cement the fact that noone but the Yankees can win. "

LMFAO at that stupid comment. Who won last year? Who won the year before that? Who won the year before that? Not the Yankees..

Hell if anything baseball got more popular after last year (especially postseason) - and yes, the Yankees haven't won anything since theri game 7 loss to arizona in 2001

From the time of Catfish Hunter and Reggie Jackson, the Yankees have tried to buy titles. They've succeeded at times and failed at times.

Need I remind anyone of the high priced outfield of Dave Collins, Ken Griffey Sr. and Steve Kemp?

I give Steinbrenner credit in that he tries. He does whatever it takes to win. I agree that it's at the expense of smaller market teams, but as soon as someone says that he always buys titles....why haven't the Mets won anything in the last 18 years? How about the Dodgers? The Red Sox? The Orioles in the first few years of Angelos??

Let the Yanks spend. They give a lot of money to great players. Sometimes it translates into titles, sometimes it doesn't. As the Marlins celebrate their championship, tell me how the Yankees are bad for baseball. While the Angels bask in their incredible 2002 championship, tell me how NY is the evil empire.

Don't talk about intangibles for the Boston Redsox... something about a curse has kept them away from the WS. Last year, really, Boston had it goin, career years for the entire team and all.. Boone out of nowhere... "the ghosts eventually show up"...

And the Bosox defense isnt that great... Manny? whoever's playin 1st, 2nd... hehe... I guess its objectable as a Yankee fan :D

Also, unrelated.. the Yanks DONT have that bad of a pitchin staff.
Brown, Moose, Vasquez, Contreras, Lieber.
Everyone says "what if Contreras and Lieber suck?".. to that i say
"What if they do well?" If Lieber comes back to his self, and while 20 games like 3 yrs ago mite be unlikely, if he can get 12-15 games, while contreras gets 12-15... You gots urself a pretty good staff.

And Foulke.... His numbers are pretty decieving. He blew a few saves that his team won later, and struggled sometimes in pressure situations. He may be good, but he's not even a top 5 closer in my opinion... MO is :D

PS - Soriano is free agent next year.. *cough* Yanks sign him *cough*

edit - not fa next year :D

I hate the fucking Yankees.

Thats all I have to say.

If Tom Hicks was smart (and he's not) he'd sign Soriano to a long term deal NOW.

Baseball is as popular as it has ever been. In fact, the RedSox v Yankees playoff games garnered more viewers in Boston than did the Patriots Superbowl... :D (no wonder they shout "Yankees Suck" at Patriot parades"

Is Brown, Moose, Vasquez, Contreras, Lieber, (Maddux?) really that horrible?... Like the "Yanks sure can't pitch?"... weird... Well, I'll tell you, Moose is nowhere near Bonderman's greatness...

The Red Sox vs. Yankees ALCS garnered huge ratings because it was the Red Sox vs. Yankees ALCS. There were some important reasons that people found it worth watching: the Curse, the Boston team of destiny, the pure hatred between the teams.

If it was the A's vs. the Twins, the ratings would have been D-E-A-D, despite the it featuring the best young pitching staff in baseball and two upstart small-market teams playing their hearts out.

Glad you put in absolutely nothing to the thread :).

Baseball will find a way to be more interesting.....it just will >.<. And there is some more pressure on the Yankees now to win win win...and when they lose...the haters will be over them like piranhas.

in the A-Rod trade... does anyone know who the minor league "player to be named later" actually is???

Submitted for your approval...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...simmons/040217

err.. thanks djtestudo, I feel much better being an Orioles fan.

No offence...but that '33 reasons' list was really stupid and biased...almost to the point of me wanting to rip my eyes out and wearing a Bartman jersey to a Cub game..

Skankees who??


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ANGELS RULE!!

yanks got a-rod!! the yankees are unstoppable now!! woohoo!! GO YANKEES!

:rolleyes: :hmm: :confused: :rolleyes: :hmm:

They haven't won JACK SHIT yet!!

hehe...

Soriano is 28 :D