Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community (https://thetfp.com/tfp/)
-   Tilted Sports (https://thetfp.com/tfp/tilted-sports/)
-   -   NFL Rules Changes Proposal (kickoffs) (https://thetfp.com/tfp/tilted-sports/27676-nfl-rules-changes-proposal-kickoffs.html)

Redlemon 09-17-2003 07:19 AM

NFL Rules Changes Proposal (kickoffs)
 
Here's two things that piss me off about the NFL kickoff rules. Can anyone give me a good reason why they shouldn't be changed?

1. Kickoff out of bounds (aka the Giants-Cowboys rule): if the ball bounces in-bounds, but rolls out of bounds, the ball comes back to the 40 yard line. Now, I understand this if the ball never lands in-bounds at all, but let's face it, no one controls how a football bounces. I propose that the ball merely has to land in-bounds.

2. On-side kicks. Presently, the ball has to go 10 yards before the offence can touch it; if they touch it, there's a rekick. No, that's stupid, the kicking team screwed up, they shouldn't get a second chance. I propose that a touch or out-of-bounds within the first 10 yards means the receiving team gets it at the spot of the touch (similar to a punt).

gov135 09-17-2003 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by redlemon

2. On-side kicks. Presently, the ball has to go 10 yards before the offence can touch it; if they touch it, there's a rekick. No, that's stupid, the kicking team screwed up, they shouldn't get a second chance. I propose that a touch or out-of-bounds within the first 10 yards means the receiving team gets it at the spot of the touch (similar to a punt).

There has been a rule change here for this season. I will try to find out more for you.

grayman 09-17-2003 08:31 AM

Re: NFL Rules Changes Proposal (kickoffs)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by redlemon
1. Kickoff out of bounds (aka the Giants-Cowboys rule): if the ball bounces in-bounds, but rolls out of bounds, the ball comes back to the 40 yard line. Now, I understand this if the ball never lands in-bounds at all, but let's face it, no one controls how a football bounces. I propose that the ball merely has to land in-bounds.


I disagree. The point of this rule is to encourage teams to kick the ball down the middle, which encourages runbacks on kicks. If you eliminate this rule, and you can kick kickoffs out of bounds, you might as well eliminate special teams play.

Redlemon 09-17-2003 08:36 AM

Re: Re: NFL Rules Changes Proposal (kickoffs)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by grayman
I disagree. The point of this rule is to encourage teams to kick the ball down the middle, which encourages runbacks on kicks. If you eliminate this rule, and you can kick kickoffs out of bounds, you might as well eliminate special teams play.
Yeah, but I've seen them bounce significanly inbounds and take a bad roll out.

BigGov 09-17-2003 05:23 PM

There are very rare occurances. If you don't want to risk it, kick it straight down the middle like a normal kick and odds are it will be fine. Most teams choose to return if it's down the middle because it's more effective to return than wait for the ball to bounce and possibly roll out of bounds.

Reddevil63 09-17-2003 09:12 PM

If they kick it normal than if they dont catch it, odds are it will bounce out of the back of the endzone. The point of that rule is to make sure there is a run back.

Redlemon 09-18-2003 09:28 AM

OK, I'll withdraw Proposal 1.

Any criticism of Proposal 2 (the onside kick)?

AL9045 09-18-2003 09:53 AM

I'm guessing you didn't see the Falcons/Skins game. They talked about the rule change already, and they were praising it. Because if you mess up, you shouldn't get another chance. It's also not where the ball ends up, it's where the illegal contact of the ball is or whatever.

Redlemon 09-18-2003 01:16 PM

No, Al, I missed that game. And I've Googled all over the place, and hand-searched the NFL.COM site, and I still can't find a summary of the 2003 rule changes. Can someone help me out here?

(And why do you have to buy the rulebook? The current rulebook isn't even available yet, and the season is underway! I don't want to depend on the announcers!)

MikeyChalupa 09-18-2003 09:39 PM

I found these two references for you and pulled out the quotes pertaining to the rule changes...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/clayt...n/1530103.html

Quote:

Little was changed at this meeting. In the final five minutes of games, a team that bangs an onside kick out of bounds won't be given a second chance. For years, the Competition Committee disliked the idea that teams that fail on an onside kick get a second chance after a 5-yard penalty. The NFL hates rewarding bad plays, and a second onside kick was a reward to a bad kick.

[Bill] Polian submitted the five-minute idea and it got a sufficient number of votes to pass.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6279272

Quote:

The league did alter the rules concerning onside kicks in the final five minutes of a game. Previously, if a ball did not go 10 yards, went out of bounds or was touched illegally, the kicking team was penalized. However, the kicking team could kick again from five yards back.

Although, since that rewarded a team for an illegal play, there was a fear that changing the rule would stop coaches from attempting surprise onside kicks. Finally, an amendment passed to cover only the final five minutes, which is usually when a team that is trailing attempts to get another possession with an onside kick.
Hope this helps...

-Mikey


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:02 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
© 2002-2012 Tilted Forum Project


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360