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grumpyolddude · 10-06-2006, 11:45 AM

Rogers starting has me a bit concerned... he has the highest ERA among starting pitchers in the history of playoff baseball, and his record against the Yankees is even worse.
Johnson is pitching with a bad back. It's possible that neither starter goes far tonight. If it becomes a battle of the bullpens, advantage Tigers!

kutulu · 10-08-2006, 10:33 AM

People made too much of a big deal about Rogers' previous postseason career. The last time he pitched in the playoffs was in 2003. Throughout his entire career, he had accumulated 20.1 postseason innings. That was not significant in any way at all.

Overall, teams need to put less stock in what players have done in the past and start relying on projections for future performance that account for age.

I guarantee that if more GMs looked past the pretty statistics like AVG, HR, and RBI for hitters, and W-L, ERA, and K for pitchers there would be a lot less bad free agent signings.

Another thing, I'm happy as hell that the Yankees got bounced but I'm sick of the ARod bashing. If they are really going to trade him, they are retarded. They won't get equal talent in return and they will have to pay at least $10M to get any deal done.

grumpyolddude · 10-15-2006, 07:48 AM

Congrats to Kenny Rogers for proving my fears unwarranted... twice! I wish that I could claim that I've had nothing but confidence in the Tigers from the beginning. I don't think that even the players can make that claim.
Now, I can claim confidence going into the World Series. I've witnessed 1968, 1984, and now 2006, and I've never seen the Tigers lose a World Series.

A-Rod was given incredible money, then forced to play an unnatural position. He's been asked to play second-fiddled to Derek Jeter, and on most occasions, performs. But under the pressure and scrutiny of the post-season, I'd bet he wishes he were at shortstop instead of third base, and that impacts his performance in the field and at bat. He needs to go somewhere he can play short and be "The Man." Then he could finish his career strongly and go to the Hall-of-Fame on a positive note.

kutulu · 10-16-2006, 09:35 AM

ARod doesn't need to go back to SS. 3B will be better for him in the long run, especially as he ages.

goddfather40 · 10-19-2006, 07:24 PM

If the Mets win this Game 7, Endy Chavez's catch will go down in history as one of the top 5, if not, the greatest play in MLB history, IMO.

If the Mets lose, it still is one of the best plays ever. I don't remember anyone robbing someone of a sure HR ever in a Game 7. Similar plays are Puckett's 1991 World Series Game 6 catch and, of course, the Willie Mays catch.

I was in a somewhat reserved restaurant with some people watching the two TV's in the corner's, but everyone let out a OOOOO, AHHHHH, and WOW! when that play happened.

NOTE: As I am typing this Molina just hit a go-ahead HR in the 9th.

Halx · 10-28-2006, 12:43 PM

I'll admit, I expected the Tigers to own the Cards. I was wrong, of course. The Cards have a lot of players I really respect, so I'm quite glad they won. The title itself has a ton of stories buried within it and the media is talking all about every one of it. Its a whole lot more interesting than "Everyone expected ____ to win, and they did!" Even if nobody gave a shit and the ratings sucked, and the gameplay sucked, and the whole playoffs were boring in comparison with last year's absolutely gripping postseason, the stories are there and they're quite compelling.

Jeff Weaver. I am so happy for this guy. Nobody gave him any respect and he got the ultimate snub earlier this year, being sent down to make room for his kid brother. In the end, he's pitching an absolutely brilliant game (like I always knew he was capable of, I might add!) and he's a world champion.

David Eckstein, of course, is another great story. Proves that work ethic is better than ability. He was right in the middle of every important play, making shit happen. Thats very worthy of MVP.

grumpyolddude · 10-28-2006, 04:19 PM

Congrats to the Cardinals. On baseball's biggest stage, they kept their poise and made the plays.

For the first time in two decades, we Detroit fans are really anxious for next season! Expect a few roster teaks, but those young pitchers ought to be even better for this high pressure experience.

kutulu · 10-28-2006, 09:01 PM

RE: Eckstien

Don't get me started on that 'double' he hit off of Zumaya.

Quote:

Originally Posted by firejoemorgan.blogspot.com

David Eckstein
David Eckstein is 4'10" and appears to suffer from borderline albinism. Despite this, he is a mediocre MLB shortstop. After he throws the ball to first base, it looks like he needs to lie down from exhaustion. He also runs hard to first base, as most baseball players do.

Baseball analysts have interpreted this data to be somehow indicative of something more powerful than mere "tangible" baseball skills, perhaps residing somewhere deep in the (non-human?) DNA of David Eckstein.

In fact, a new wave of baseball genetic experts believes that there may be a mutant patch of genetic code on chromosome 11 in some major league ballplayers. In most cases, this causes True Yankeeism. Eckstein, they claim, was born with a mutation of a mutation; the resulting phenotype features not only acute and heightened True Yankeeism, but stunted growth and fair skin and hair.

Halx · 10-28-2006, 09:25 PM

Hater. He plays hard and gets shit done. Nobody knocks on Earl Boykins, nobody should knock on Eckstein.

grumpyolddude · 10-29-2006, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halx

Hater. He plays hard and gets shit done. Nobody knocks on Earl Boykins, nobody should knock on Eckstein.

Agreed! the only reason to hate on Eckstein is 'cause he beats you.

As for Eckstein's hits: both teams were on the same field under the same conditions. Granderson's slip was critical, yes. Duncan slipped, so did Preston. Fortunately for the Cardinals, those didn't cause any damage. On a dry field, Monroe would have been playing a bit deeper, and quite likkely sould have caught that ball that tipped his glove. So what? The pitcher's errors were more devastating than both of those plays.

soccerchamp76 · 10-30-2006, 06:39 AM

The bottom line is that the Cardinals took advantage of the Tigers mistakes. Detroit didn't.

GO CARDINALS!!!!!!

kutulu · 10-30-2006, 01:04 PM

My problem with Eckstein is that he, like other small, scrappy IFs is that they get way too much credit for what they do. For his entire career, he has an 88 OPS+ (OPS league and park adjusted, average is 100). His career high is a 103 but based on the press the dude gets you would never know it. He's even recieved MVP votes in two different years! Usually, those non-sluggers can make up for it by being able to steal a base or two, but he can't even do that.

His 'thing' is the bunt and people who don't understand that in most (please note I said most, not all) situations a bunt is a very bad move.

I had to live through years of Craig Counsell worship as a DBacks fan, Eckstein is the same thing.

Another thing, I'm not making excuses for the Tigers, they straight up sucked in that series.

10-06-2006, 11:45 AM	#41 (permalink)
grumpyolddude Deliberately unfocused Location: Amazon.com and CDBaby	Rogers starting has me a bit concerned... he has the highest ERA among starting pitchers in the history of playoff baseball, and his record against the Yankees is even worse. Johnson is pitching with a bad back. It's possible that neither starter goes far tonight. If it becomes a battle of the bullpens, advantage Tigers! Last edited by grumpyolddude; 10-06-2006 at 12:13 PM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

10-19-2006, 07:24 PM	#45 (permalink)
goddfather40 Llama Location: Cali-for-nye-a	If the Mets win this Game 7, Endy Chavez's catch will go down in history as one of the top 5, if not, the greatest play in MLB history, IMO. If the Mets lose, it still is one of the best plays ever. I don't remember anyone robbing someone of a sure HR ever in a Game 7. Similar plays are Puckett's 1991 World Series Game 6 catch and, of course, the Willie Mays catch. I was in a somewhat reserved restaurant with some people watching the two TV's in the corner's, but everyone let out a OOOOO, AHHHHH, and WOW! when that play happened. NOTE: As I am typing this Molina just hit a go-ahead HR in the 9th. __________________ My name is goddfather40 and I approved this message. I got ho's and I got bitches, In C++ I branch with switches -MC Plus+

10-28-2006, 12:43 PM	#46 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	I'll admit, I expected the Tigers to own the Cards. I was wrong, of course. The Cards have a lot of players I really respect, so I'm quite glad they won. The title itself has a ton of stories buried within it and the media is talking all about every one of it. Its a whole lot more interesting than "Everyone expected ____ to win, and they did!" Even if nobody gave a shit and the ratings sucked, and the gameplay sucked, and the whole playoffs were boring in comparison with last year's absolutely gripping postseason, the stories are there and they're quite compelling. Jeff Weaver. I am so happy for this guy. Nobody gave him any respect and he got the ultimate snub earlier this year, being sent down to make room for his kid brother. In the end, he's pitching an absolutely brilliant game (like I always knew he was capable of, I might add!) and he's a world champion. David Eckstein, of course, is another great story. Proves that work ethic is better than ability. He was right in the middle of every important play, making shit happen. Thats very worthy of MVP. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

10-28-2006, 09:25 PM	#49 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	Hater. He plays hard and gets shit done. Nobody knocks on Earl Boykins, nobody should knock on Eckstein. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

10-30-2006, 06:39 AM	#51 (permalink)
soccerchamp76 Go Cardinals Location: St. Louis/Cincinnati	The bottom line is that the Cardinals took advantage of the Tigers mistakes. Detroit didn't. GO CARDINALS!!!!!! __________________ Brian Griffin: Ah, if my memory serves me, this is the physics department. Chris Griffin: That would explain all the gravity.

10-08-2006, 10:33 AM	#42 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	People made too much of a big deal about Rogers' previous postseason career. The last time he pitched in the playoffs was in 2003. Throughout his entire career, he had accumulated 20.1 postseason innings. That was not significant in any way at all. Overall, teams need to put less stock in what players have done in the past and start relying on projections for future performance that account for age. I guarantee that if more GMs looked past the pretty statistics like AVG, HR, and RBI for hitters, and W-L, ERA, and K for pitchers there would be a lot less bad free agent signings. Another thing, I'm happy as hell that the Yankees got bounced but I'm sick of the ARod bashing. If they are really going to trade him, they are retarded. They won't get equal talent in return and they will have to pay at least $10M to get any deal done.

10-15-2006, 07:48 AM	#43 (permalink)
grumpyolddude Deliberately unfocused Location: Amazon.com and CDBaby	Congrats to Kenny Rogers for proving my fears unwarranted... twice! I wish that I could claim that I've had nothing but confidence in the Tigers from the beginning. I don't think that even the players can make that claim. Now, I can claim confidence going into the World Series. I've witnessed 1968, 1984, and now 2006, and I've never seen the Tigers lose a World Series. A-Rod was given incredible money, then forced to play an unnatural position. He's been asked to play second-fiddled to Derek Jeter, and on most occasions, performs. But under the pressure and scrutiny of the post-season, I'd bet he wishes he were at shortstop instead of third base, and that impacts his performance in the field and at bat. He needs to go somewhere he can play short and be "The Man." Then he could finish his career strongly and go to the Hall-of-Fame on a positive note.

10-16-2006, 09:35 AM	#44 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	ARod doesn't need to go back to SS. 3B will be better for him in the long run, especially as he ages.

10-28-2006, 04:19 PM	#47 (permalink)
grumpyolddude Deliberately unfocused Location: Amazon.com and CDBaby	Congrats to the Cardinals. On baseball's biggest stage, they kept their poise and made the plays. For the first time in two decades, we Detroit fans are really anxious for next season! Expect a few roster teaks, but those young pitchers ought to be even better for this high pressure experience.

10-30-2006, 01:04 PM	#52 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	My problem with Eckstein is that he, like other small, scrappy IFs is that they get way too much credit for what they do. For his entire career, he has an 88 OPS+ (OPS league and park adjusted, average is 100). His career high is a 103 but based on the press the dude gets you would never know it. He's even recieved MVP votes in two different years! Usually, those non-sluggers can make up for it by being able to steal a base or two, but he can't even do that. His 'thing' is the bunt and people who don't understand that in most (please note I said most, not all) situations a bunt is a very bad move. I had to live through years of Craig Counsell worship as a DBacks fan, Eckstein is the same thing. Another thing, I'm not making excuses for the Tigers, they straight up sucked in that series.