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CityOfAngels 10-21-2004 02:52 AM

The two types of penises...
 
I've heard there are two types of penises:
1) When erect, it doesn't get much larger than its flaccid state. Is usually larger than #2 while flaccid.
2) When erect, it gets very much larger than its flaccid state. Is usually significantly smaller than #1 while flaccid.

I (unfortunately?) am equipped with #2. While flaccid, it's only a few inches long. When erect, it literally grows in both width and length; width usually about 2x the flaccid size, length usually 3 to 4x the flaccid size. Because of this, I've always been uncomfortable changing my boxers in any sort of locker room, and whenever I go swimming, I make sure my shorts stay on at all times. I've been thinking of posting in the Exhibition forums, but I'm sure people wouldn't appreciate seeing an erect penis, which is the only state I am comfortable showing it in. Whenever a girlfriend asks to see it, I usually try to get a little foreplay in with her before I whip it out, just to make sure it's erect when she sees it.

Anyone else have to deal with this? I know I'm just way too self-concious about it, but I'm wondering if I'm alone on this here. My ex-girlfriend was even surprised AFTER we had sex for the first time because what she saw at first wasn't what she saw later on. Of course it didn't matter to her, but hey, sometimes it matters! Hehe.

Lockjaw 10-21-2004 03:55 AM

Dude don't worry about it.
In the gym or the shower most guys aren't going to be making an effort to check out your equipment. And if they do well that's on them. If you've never had a complaint about size before does it really matter if you are a grower and not a shower?
It's not like a woman is walking around asking guys to whip their junk and measuring them while flaccid to see who she's going home with so when you REALLY think about it doesn't matter much.
Now as far as the pictures...just try to get a little blood flow going to "flesh out" your equipment if you are feeling self conscious about it. I'm a grower and just a tiny bit of blood flow to the region and it starts to get noticeabley larger but it doesn't go to full mast unless I'm ready for action.

slimshaydee 10-21-2004 04:17 AM

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=17716

your dick size is fine, don't post about it please.

CityOfAngels 10-21-2004 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slimshaydee
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=17716

your dick size is fine, don't post about it please.

Oh no no I'm not asking you all about my dick size. I'm just wondering if other people have this same problem. I'm not showing you my penis, nor am I giving you size specifications. I am actually quite comfortable with my penis-size, but am only comfortable showing it in certain situations.

I know this sounds like a "Is my dick size still acceptable?" thread, but it definitely is not in any sense.

P.S. If any mods think this post is unacceptable, I am very sorry for the confusion. Again, this is not directly about my penis size, but rather certain situations involving it. I don't wish to break any rules or show signs of ignorance. I'm just seeing if other people relate to these situations.

THGL 10-21-2004 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityOfAngels
I'm just wondering if other people have this same problem.

It isn't a problem, it's just the way it is.

Myself? I'm a grower and I've never had any snide remarks about my member in it's flacid state (couple inches or so compared to 7 erect). Girls don't care about it flacid and if they do they're just showing their immaturity (along with any guy that tries to make fun of you in the locker room).

CityOfAngels 10-21-2004 04:47 AM

[QUOTE=THGL]It isn't a problem, it's just the way it is.[QUOTE]
The problem isn't the size. The problem is the empty insecurity that could come with being a grower.

As for posting in exhibition, I guess my main problem is I'd be wanting to show my 'real' size; I'm just a guy who likes to show off when I can. The only way I could do that is to show it erect, which I assume a lot of people wouldn't appreciate.

ShaniFaye 10-21-2004 08:11 AM

Ummm....las time I checked there were several posts where the guys were erect....and I appreciated it greatly :)

Irishsean 10-21-2004 08:23 AM

Mines the same way man. If anyone gives you crap about it, just tell them "Yeah my dick is only 2 inches long, but my tongue is eight inches long and I can breathe through my ears!"

mikmckna 10-21-2004 08:33 AM

Lots of "Growers" here... me too and my wife LOVES it that way. She likes to "Participate" in the raising of the flag!

jamessh1 10-21-2004 09:31 AM

I'm yet another grower, and just like the initial poster I am not comfortable letting my member be seen in any public forum (locker room etc.). I', not 100% sure why I'm so shy about it since chances are no one is really concerned about it anyways, but I guess there is the thought in my mind that a smaller flaccid penis represents more than just a penis (possibly a measure of masculinity or something else). I wonder what the percentage is of growers compared to the larger flaccid penis's....

PDOUBLEOP 10-21-2004 10:22 AM

Growers Unite!

Halx 10-21-2004 10:27 AM

I think the 'two types' thing is bullshit... it's a sliding scale of before and after change.

Dane Bramage 10-21-2004 10:32 AM

Grower here too...

I have a feeling that most men are probably growers. It's just a guess, but judging from the response to this forum, it's pretty one sided so far.

CityOfAngels 10-21-2004 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halx
I think the 'two types' thing is bullshit... it's a sliding scale of before and after change.

Could you expand on that thought? I'm not exactly sure what you think is bullshit. It is true that some penises grow more than others, while the others have an initial larger size. That's all I meant about the "two types" remark.

Maybe you thought I was saying there are literally two different types of penises, as in "My penis is completely different than yours with different parts, etc."? If so, that's not what I meant, and sorry if it offended you in any way.

Ustwo 10-21-2004 12:32 PM

I can go from looking well hung while soft to a couple of inches. Dunno why but it happens, doesn't matter much to me.

When we have been at a nude beach my wife doesn't like when its doing the shrinky thing, she wants to be hanging out with the well hung guy hehe.

lukethebandgeek 10-21-2004 12:42 PM

I never really noticed how much it grows...

I've always thought that other men's penises were tiny when flacid when I've seen them, so I'm not self concious about my own dick size.

HockeyGuy 10-21-2004 01:37 PM

One more talley in the 'growers' column

ShaniFaye 10-21-2004 01:45 PM

My guy is a grower :)

DEI37 10-21-2004 02:46 PM

Grower...I hate it. At parties, I can get a little self conscious about it. It usually rises to the occasion when needed, but it's odd sitting there with a 2" flaccid dick.

boredom 10-21-2004 03:41 PM

Im a grower, i stopped caring about it.

Flyguy 10-21-2004 04:18 PM

I'm a grower too. I've never really thought about it to be honest. When it's flaccid, it's just there until I need it for something.

lunchbox 10-21-2004 04:18 PM

I'm a grower, Halx is just being as ass imo because he's got like a 9" dong flaccid and a monster when erect...

ratbastid 10-21-2004 04:44 PM

Yeah, it's a real bummer to have to walk around swinging the kind of pipe Hal swings...

Me, I'm a grower. My flaccid state seems to vary a lot with temperature, stress, how recently I had an orgasm, etc. I've never really had any issues being seen naked by the guys when flaccid. They're not looking.

Halx 10-21-2004 05:51 PM

EVERYONE'S a grower.. that's the point. That's what the penis does. There is no 'other type'

CityOfAngels 10-21-2004 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halx
EVERYONE'S a grower.. that's the point. That's what the penis does. There is no 'other type'

I never said they both don't grow, but rather the ones that are larger while flaccid tend not to grow as much. For example:
Guy A has a 2 1/2 inch flaccid penis. When erect, it grows to be 6-7 inches.
Guy B has a 6-7 inch flaccid penis. When erect, it grows to be 7-8 inches.

It is noticeable when one guy's penis grows 3-4 times it's flaccid size, while another grows about 1/4-1/2 it's flaccid size. It's the rate of growing that is different.

Nice avatar, btw.

pmkuon 10-21-2004 06:38 PM

Grower. Lost my fear of exposure in the military. If people don't like my pud, f'em.

CityOfAngels 10-21-2004 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lunchbox
...Halx is just being as ass...

If you and Halx are buddies and have fun insulting each other all the time, please disregard what I am about to say: It's not really a good idea to call the owner of the forum you post on an ass. That's just a general rule of thumb.

Shizukana 10-21-2004 10:23 PM

Tally up one more grower. :D

Halx - I understand what you're saying, and yes, penises DO all grow when erect. What he is referring to is... a "grower" has a penis that at least doubles or triples in size while erect, while a "shower" (rhymes with grower) is one that simply goes from say, 6 inches flaccid to like 9 inches hard. Basically, guys that are well hung when flaccid "show" more of their overall dick size, whereas growers might appear to be small while flaccid but grow to be just as big as the "shower" when both are erect.

(That was probably more than anyone needed to hear... but I just wanted to clear up what I'm perceiving the debate or question to be about... I've had this conversation with some friends, male and female, so the terms are pretty familiar.)

mattevil 10-21-2004 10:43 PM

as long as it's good size when it counts who cares

Nancy 10-21-2004 11:24 PM

wow. I didn't think that guys ever gave this issue much thought but as I read some of your replies I can see why.

Personally I love a grower and prefer it like that. It's just feels great to be taking off my clothes in front of a man slowly and see what an effect it has on his penis you know? It's just such a great "compliment" to get as a woman - wouldn't you agree Shanifaye ;)

CityOfAngels 10-21-2004 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nancy
wow. I didn't think that guys ever gave this issue much thought but as I read some of your replies I can see why.

Personally I love a grower and prefer it like that. It's just feels great to be taking off my clothes in front of a man slowly and see what an effect it has on his penis you know? It's just such a great "compliment" to get as a woman - wouldn't you agree Shanifaye ;)

Well if Nancy approves, then I don't think I have anything to worry about. It's chicks like her that I try to impress anyways. :cool:

Halx 10-22-2004 12:46 AM

here's what I'm saying

Penises are designed to compact to as small as they can get. If "Long" John Silver cant retract to like 2 inches flaccid, then he has a defective penis. It's a natural defense mechanism. When you're threatened, your penis needs to be able to fuckin' retreat. So, in essence, EVERYONE is a grower. Don't you see? Mother nature didn't make any of us with naturally dangling participles. We all have the "nibbles", "licks" and "gulps" stages of erection.

ShaniFaye 10-22-2004 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nancy
wow. I didn't think that guys ever gave this issue much thought but as I read some of your replies I can see why.

Personally I love a grower and prefer it like that. It's just feels great to be taking off my clothes in front of a man slowly and see what an effect it has on his penis you know? It's just such a great "compliment" to get as a woman - wouldn't you agree Shanifaye ;)

with all respect to Halx.....I've experienced both kinds, many times and yes it does exist....there are def two disticnt differences to the way a guy can be.

As Nancy says....there is not much more satisfying to me than when Dave isnt in a state of arousal and I can just take off my shirt or pants or both or have bent over to get something and turn around to see the "turtle" as I call dave's when its little, turn in to a long necked dinosaur hehehe. Dave is above average in size when erect, but looking at him flaccid you'd never ever know it because it has a tendancy to disappear into itself ....you guys know what Im talking about Im sure.....and its no where near as big around as he is at arousal....but damn when all I have to do to turn him into a beef stick (you know those things that you buy in the store for like party trays that has the skin you have to peel off of them) is undress or whisper in his ear its a GREAT thing for me.

Truth be told I've always preferred the grower type

FatherTed 10-22-2004 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityOfAngels
I know I'm just way too self-concious about it,.

You said it all here, so stop thinking about it.

I would have said (although I dont make a habit of looking at others that close !!) that the vast majority of men are #2.
They are SUPPOSED to be smaller when 'not in use' - you are in the majority!!

Find something useful to be worried about :D

CrAzEd 10-22-2004 07:36 AM

Im a grower to. Go from 2 inches and thin to 6 inches and wide.

sirhibernac69 10-23-2004 08:42 AM

I'm a grower too, but I've never had a problem with it. However, I wish I could do this little party trick for my wife:

http://rz-home.de/~ohoss/vid/singing_dick.mpg

anti fishstick 10-23-2004 08:55 AM

I don't understand this thread. Whatever penis "type" you have, it's all normal! Don't worry about it. I think this is bull shit too. I think women prefer growers but... I didn't know there was any other kind. *shrugs*

omega2K4 10-23-2004 10:17 AM

I'm a grower too. I think Halx just thinks it is bullshit because he has a massive cock either way.

Boo 10-23-2004 11:51 AM

I figure there are 3 types of dick, some hang left, some hang right and some stay centered. Not to threadjack mind you.

xxSquirtxx 10-23-2004 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaniFaye
Ummm....las time I checked there were several posts where the guys were erect....and I appreciated it greatly :)

What she said. :thumbsup: :D

antisuck 10-23-2004 12:27 PM

Another grower checking in.

I prefer to think of it like I have a license to carry a concealed weapon. :p

TheBeermaster 10-23-2004 06:02 PM

Where's the womens post talking about barndoors and keyholes ?

Grower here. Happily so, my clothes fit me fine.

shortynickel 10-23-2004 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irishsean
Mines the same way man. If anyone gives you crap about it, just tell them "Yeah my dick is only 2 inches long, but my tongue is eight inches long and I can breathe through my ears!"

:lol: irish

i used to be like this back in hs but i have learned to be happy with myself and am not afraid to take a shower or anything in a public place....so your not the only one who has had this/that problem.

combatmedicjen 10-23-2004 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikmckna
Lots of "Growers" here... me too and my wife LOVES it that way. She likes to "Participate" in the raising of the flag!

*Plays Reveille*

jenjen 10-23-2004 09:20 PM

I can say from experience that I've seen variance between guys (some definitely grow a lot more than others).

You guys might want to check out this link: http://www.penissizedebate.com/page2...-equalizer.htm

Can you believe it? People actually get paid to study this stuff. Hmmm I think I will need to look into penis research...sounds fun!

Konichiwaneko 10-23-2004 09:37 PM

I feel that the point of this post is how something like this can alter our perception and self security.

In public yes if you were naked people will see you in a more flacid state, and if your security is based on that image then you want to avoid showing people your flacid state as much as possible.

My suggestion. Just don't pee as often, that will fill you up and get you ready for show as much as you can :)

Suave 10-23-2004 10:11 PM

The guy who made that page is a fucking idiot. I'll give you a nugget of his wisdom here:
Quote:

if you are plagued by a small penis then give up the idea that you have to satisfy women at all cost. Accept that you are not made for that. Get back to basics and see sex as what it was meant to be, a gift to enjoy tremendous physical pleasure, not a quest to perform, not a race to satisfy the woman you are with. Think of your own pleasure and let her be responsible for her pleasure. Satisfy yourself and her satisfaction WILL follow.
He just can't communicate properly, and he's obsessed as all hell with penises. The way he words his commentary makes him look like a brain-damaged sixteen year old. There may be some truth to what he says, but he sure as hell doesn't know how to put it properly.

StormBerlin 10-24-2004 12:49 AM

I thought that number two was usually how it worked. I've never seen a penis that stayed the same size flacid as erect.

mokle 10-24-2004 08:39 AM

Big time grower here. Unless I'm loosened up a bit and perhaps drinking, my flaccid penis is 1/5 the size of my erect penis (in length, and I suppose 1/3 the girth).

Only time I really care is when I'm out in the clubs and I get the impression that women are looking for the bulge...

Suave 10-24-2004 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormBerlin
I thought that number two was usually how it worked. I've never seen a penis that stayed the same size flacid as erect.

Oh, they're definitely around. There just aren't a lot of them.

blar 10-24-2004 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jenjen
I can say from experience that I've seen variance between guys (some definitely grow a lot more than others).

You guys might want to check out this link: http://www.penissizedebate.com/page2...-equalizer.htm

Can you believe it? People actually get paid to study this stuff. Hmmm I think I will need to look into penis research...sounds fun!


most of the stuff on that site is just fabricated info i would not put any trust in that :crazy:

Kontjesman 10-25-2004 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratbastid
Me, I'm a grower. My flaccid state seems to vary a lot with temperature, stress, how recently I had an orgasm, etc. .

Altough, I also see myself as a grower, I defenitely agree with ratbastid.
For example if I'm going to have sex for the first time with a girl, I'm a bit stressed about my smaller flacid friend . At that moment I would prefer to be a shower. But on the other hand, once he's up and u see the look on her face because it has grown to three times his size, you make them a real happy girl.

CrazyFark 10-26-2004 08:39 PM

We've covered some penis information beyond the original post, I'll toss in some extra:

Hardening of the arteries and cholestorol/plaque build-up isn't just in the veins/arteries around the heart. Eat healthy and exercise or the arteriers supplying blood the the penis slowly clog up, too, reducing your ability at an earlier age.

Watch your blood pressure, as well.

Typically, the larger the penis, the more difficult it is to get erect. This doesn't matter in the 20's, but big guys "peter out" qicker over guys with small penises. Doesn't mean they can't get it up, just means it's more difficult. Not so much a problem any more with drugs to help with that.

I can offer anecdotal evidence on the last paragraph. I lived with a black woman for a few years (friends-that-never-took-benefits) and spent a lot of time with her family. Her brothers/cousins were all hung like...well, not to point at Hal(x) or anything, but they were in the big leagues (by their women's admission, and the sister who had seen them). My bat belonged in little league by comparison. Ran in the family (not all blacks have huge penises, contrary to popular belief). But they also talked about what happened as they got older, and I learned.

I say anecdotal because I certainly didn't ask for proof.

ruick 10-27-2004 04:19 PM

big grower here. also get nervious in lockers and such.

Bigeffinal 10-29-2004 10:28 PM

i never really thought about it... well i guess mines #2, but i dont think anyone is the same size flaccid and erect

animal909 10-30-2004 12:22 AM

grower... but yeah it can get intimidating when you are with a woman the "first" time with her. After that, who cares. Im glad im a grower; how many times in my judo training could there have been an accident if i wasnt jockstrapped tight.

Raleighbum 10-30-2004 01:29 AM

lmao...

Growers reporting after another.. weird ?!

Mother nature meant it to be that way.

That's quite normal NOT to be excited in locker rooms..

cooperricko 10-30-2004 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEI37
Grower...I hate it. At parties, I can get a little self conscious about it. It usually rises to the occasion when needed, but it's odd sitting there with a 2" flaccid dick.

I don't go to many parties where people sit around with their bits hanging out, but I can see how this may be a little embarressing

shortynickel 10-30-2004 08:56 PM

umm i dont think they meant that there are some ppl that are the same size errect as they are flaccid....but i have seen/heard of some that only grow a little bit...the norm tho as we have noticed here is that u grow several inches if not more.

getbornagain 10-30-2004 09:22 PM

i don't think i understand

shortynickel 10-30-2004 10:32 PM

say someone has a 2" flaccid and grows to 5 or 6"....the other type has a 4" flaccid but only grows to 6"....

paulskinback 11-27-2004 02:05 AM

Best thing if you're a grower (join the club) is to shave your balls and the base of your ladykiller, then you become a shower - you can show at least another inch or so when limp. I think the benefit of being a grower is how much it surprises your girl when its fully cocked, and how proud you are of your big fat erection.

K-Wise 11-27-2004 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m0k13
Big time grower here. Unless I'm loosened up a bit and perhaps drinking, my flaccid penis is 1/5 the size of my erect penis (in length, and I suppose 1/3 the girth).

Only time I really care is when I'm out in the clubs and I get the impression that women are looking for the bulge...

I've gotten the bulge thing before. Probably more than once. I've actually had girls pointing to it when it's in the flaccid state on one occaision. Flaccid and upright, the bulge is about half of a tennis ball give or take the conditions of the weather n what not. Then erect the bulge is a little like a hot dog, bun and all. I think I've caught girls looking at it when it's like that. Embarrisingly so, it's like that a lot of the time and I have to, re-adjust the damn thing. I guess cause I wear jeans a lot so that probably enhances the bulge a bit...maybe not. I can't say it's ever really bothered me when I'm with a girl...when I was younger in the locker rooms, I wouldn't shower till I got home after football practice. But yeah it's supposed to grow, and the flacid state doesn't matter one single bit...less yer caught on camera naked. I don't think that will ever happen to me...stop worrying about it.

Asta!!

FngKestrel 11-27-2004 03:19 AM

#2, but a non-issue for me. I used to have a GF who wanted to see me in a flaccid state because it was so different from the way she normally saw it. Wasn't too successful since she always made me aroused.

But I've worn a leotard to the mall before (during Halloween), and had some guy comment on how small my flaccid penis is. The comeback my friend came up with was, "When it's small, they let you stick it anywhere." :D

DelayedReaction 11-27-2004 12:24 PM

I'm definitely a number 2, and frankly it's not an issue for me. If some random guy in the gym feels better about himself because my penis is smaller than his in a flaccid state, then I'm happy to contribute to his self confidence. It costs me nothing.

My mom and I had once had a conversation about this. She's a registered nurse, and pretty much comfortable talking about anything. Having seen a lot of equipment at her job, her words were pretty simple. Her words: "Those who have it don't talk about it."

aa1037 11-27-2004 02:37 PM

grower here

joofoo 11-27-2004 03:28 PM

Put me down as a number 2 as well. When I was younger I was also always concerned about the size when not erect, but I got over it and I think I'm a better person because of it. In fact my wife really enjoys it, because after she's done performing oral she loves to play with it.... and in the end I'm back and ready to go quicker.

Like everyone else has said, don't worry about, because I' m sure that the majority of woman are more concerned with how you treat them than the size of your flaccid penis.

MortyLup 11-27-2004 11:51 PM

I'm a grower, my girlfriend loves it. She says she likes to "play with Mr. Squishy before he gets all hard." I haven't gotten any complaints about it, and the girls I've been with seem to enjoy watching it grow.

macmanmike6100 11-28-2004 12:12 AM

definitely a #2 here (having just taken a peek). while I'm certain I've thought about it at least a couple times before, it's never been a problem and don't expect it to be. who really cares, when all the girl's concerned about is erect size :-)

although here's some advice for the self-conscious (or those, like me, who just want that extra boost): 1) shaving is good, as it prevents any area from being hidden, and 2) a particular type of 2^xist (http://www.freshpair.com/catalog_sec...mcount_34.html) underwear helps to accentuate your package, basically by keeping it all in one place.

Wingless 11-28-2004 05:14 PM

I'm a "grower" no doubt. Once my girlfriend surprised me and put her hands down my pants and surrounded my member down there. At the time I was pretty flacid... I literally grew in her hands!

K-Wise 11-28-2004 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MortyLup
I'm a grower, my girlfriend loves it. She says she likes to "play with Mr. Squishy before he gets all hard." I haven't gotten any complaints about it, and the girls I've been with seem to enjoy watching it grow.

Mr. Squishy?? :lol::lol::lol:

Asta!!

Zegel 11-29-2004 06:23 AM

Grower here too..

And I believe I saw something about this on the discovery channel a few years ago, on one of those "all about sex" things. They actually had the percentages in it, but I cant recall exactly what they were, but the percentage of growth was based on the flaccid length. People on the small end of the flacid spectrum had the largest percentage of growth when erect. People at the large end of the flacid specturm had the smallest percentage of growth.

NickKell 11-29-2004 11:03 PM

My dick is pretty small when flaccid too and I never liked changing around other people. Whatever, that's what blow jobs are for.

Slavakion 11-30-2004 01:23 PM

I'm a grower. I'm not comfortable changing in locker rooms usually, but that's because I'm just not an exhibitionist. It would be the same way if I had a 12" python wrapped around my leg. I just don't like showing off.

TNJ4555 11-30-2004 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m0k13
Only time I really care is when I'm out in the clubs and I get the impression that women are looking for the bulge...

As time goes by... the bulge in the back of your pants becomes much more attractive than the bulge in the front (what really matters is the size of your wallet, not your package)

bad jane 11-30-2004 11:44 PM

my current man is a grower, my previous was a shower. i didn't care much either way. however, seems to me that growers are more likely to have success with bj's. most girls i've known who don't enjoy them (boggles the mind, i know) can't handle a fully erect penis in their mouth--particularly from a guy who's so excited he's wanting to push himself into her or worse, pull her head down. growers have more luck cause she can start small and as he grows, she figures out how to adjust as long as he stays still.

shaving helps accentuate length. but more interestingly to me was a study done a few years ago regarding weight and length. i forget what the numbers were exactly but a little research on the net would prolly turn it up. basically, every x amount of pounds lost exposed x amount more of a man's penis (flaccid and erect). only works for guys who have some weight to lose of course, but it's one more incentive for getting healthy!


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