Christian girl: no sex, but blowjobs ok. WTF?!
 

Last weekend was a typical wild and crazy time. At a party, I ended up hooking up with this chick that I've known for about a year. She's not a friend, just someone who I've been bumping into a lot at various house parties of mutual friends.

I knew that she's a hardcore Christian... I mean, we're talking rarely misses church on Sundays, usually has a bible nearby, can often be heard saying stuff like... "Jesus did this.. so it must be ok". She initiated the hookup, so I went along. (did jesus do hookups in his younger years?? ;))

Over the weekend, we did just about everything except for sex. That's one thing she wouldn't do because Jesus says no to premarital sex. But blowjobs are ok??? Apparently so.

I'm pretty sure this was a one time thing with her, but I'd really like to hear the Christian perspective on the whole "sex is bad, but blowjobs are ok" thing. Besides offering advise not to hookup with religious girls, what do you make of this?!

i just think too many people use blow jobs as an excuse for abstinence because its not penis in vagina penetration so it must not be going "all the way" [therefore justifiable]. remember kids, oral SEX is still sex... and you can still get stds from it :P

Rather perfectly said. But idk about the whole religion thing, I keep that as distant as possible, in both me and prospective girls.

*edited*...

The whole no-sex-but-blowjobs thing is the most stupid thing I've ever heard. No offence, but that girl sounds anything but pure, she's just kidding herself with a religious facade. I can just imagine her first honeymoon night.

girl: Oh Jason, we've waited so long for this, be gentle!

husband: I can't believe how lucky I am, you've never slept with a guy?

girl: No, never, but I've sucked over 350 cocks! *big toothy grin*

husband: Nooooooooooooooooooo!

I'm only mucking about of course, but it does piss me off. If people are going to follow a religion, they should do just that, not make up excuses.

I'm with Fuzz on this one :)

ok here's the question do handjobs from the lady count as sex? this seems to be even more accepted than bjs. there are no stds but still pretty high intimacy. anybody?

Yeah, I know plenty of girls like that. Deal with it, they arent going to change. They see vaginal sex as the ultimate and final sexual act, and one that is very special. Sure, oral sex is almost as intimate as you can get, but thats pretty much the point--almost. They are distiguishing between sex (as in intercourse) and sexual activity (into which category oral and manual sex fall), and honestly, I agree with that distinction.

Wait until you do have sex with her. You will not be allowed to use any form of birth control. Thats right ANY form of birth control. Its against the rules.

Thats a Catholic belief, not a Christian one.

That isn't true of all Christian religions. Mormons do believe it but only a few other christian sects do.

When I was in Eugene Oregon, my friend found the journal of this hardcore christian. Its made the rounds amoung most of my friends and it reads like a penthouse/promise keepers forum. She switches from talking about how she is going to save herself for Jesus to blowing guys throughout the journal.
I think the shame can come out sideways like it does for her. You can tell from the journal that she is getting more and more depressed, because she is young (20's), pretty, horny, and holy. She won't have sex with guys, but she will blow them... this causes her a lot of mental problems. It was kind of sad to watch her get more and more fucked up because she had two such strong forces pulling her apart.

GAAAH hypocritical Christians.

Actually, I did the same thing a few years ago.

Then I decided to stop being a compromising dick and punted God.

That's just my experience, though.

I think a lot of Christians find it easy to justify the things that aren't explicitly wrong according to the Bible. For instance, murder and adultery are clearly wrong. But there are a lot of gray areas - do you give to charity, do you watch violent movies, how far do you go physically with people? - that many Christians are eager to take advantage of because they think they know what they're doing.

Hypocritical moron of a girl is what she is. She's pushing the envelope and ignoring that it's not specifically penetration, it's ANY kind of sexual realtions- but she wants to suck some dick, so she bends the rules while still maintaining her squeeky-clean image, complete with cum-gargling. Don't use religion as a scapegoat to avoid sex. That's pathetic.

those kinds of people just make me roll my eyes. just hope that they dont bring that kind of stupidity into other areas of life.

as for other religious extremists i just look at the quote... I do not feel obliged to believe the the same God who endowed us with Sense, Reason, and Intellect had also intended us to forego their use.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a passage in the Bible that relates to not spreading the seed "outside" ? Whatever the case may be, I think it's comical when religious people play the technicality game. It only cheapens their convictions.

mormon chicks are like that...they will suck your cock 100 times and never let you anywhere near the snatch :(

Just like my Gf's Friend..
"no pre-marital sex but anal sex is ok" to her bf.

Hmmm, I'll just stay out of this one...

Ha! My friend was sort of like that. Not religious, just scared of what her mom would think. So she'd pretty much only let her boyfriend do anal. I am still trying to forget that I even know this...

They're married now, so I guess he didn't mind.

And for the blow job goody-goody girls? Man, that's just annoying. I can't stand people like that.

DANTE
(panicky)
But...but you said you only had sex
with three guys! You never mentioned
him!

VERONICA
That's because I never had sex with
him!

DANTE
You sucked his dick!

Anomaly_: Google a guy named "Onan" and the word "Onanism" and you'll find the passage you're referring to.

Basically it's a story of a guy who's brother dies so he marries his widow. Anyway, he nails his brother's widow but decides that he doesn't want to knock her up, thereby giving his brother (who's dead) a kid and pulls out at the last second, shooting on the ground. So God strikes him dead. It's a cute little story, where later on Onan and Er (the original husband)'s dad hooks up with his daughter-in-law and knocks her up, while not knowing that it was her. Gotta love the Bible. :)

I've known plenty of people who believed that oral or anal were ok, but not vaginal sex. That's just silly to me. Sex is sex, no matter what goes in where. I'm a Christian too, but I don't believe that sex between people who love each other is wrong. God created it and made it a wonderful thing if used properly and with lots of love. Ain't nothin' wrong with that...

Jason

I know a couple girls like that, but whats worse is one of my guy friends. He's all Christian wearing his big silver cross, but he will take any blowjob you throw at him. Like 5 in one night once at a party. He absolutely hated it when that story got out and ruined his image of being all holy and good.

that's all crazy

When will people realize it's not wrong to crave sex that it is good for our species as long as your smart about it? I'm not knocking religion but I've always thoght your supposed to learn from it and move on and not quote it every single time you have the slightest anxiety in you life.

But do Christians swallow???

I went through the same thing with hubby. I was one of those raised very strict Christian (Baptist Specifically). Birth Control wasn't "wrong" except for the Morning after Pill. But where we were living at I was going to an extremely strict school. They knew what you bought at the store even sometimes. We could never have gotten condoms and I was scared stiff of getting pregnant. I had only 1 year left before graduation. I was willing to give Bjs for many months before sex. Now I'm completely at ease with my body and have broken out of my shell. Bj's were a "mild" form of sex that I was certain wouldn't get me pregnant. That was why I did it. As for it being right? and penis/vagina sex wrong? Oral sex was just something that wasn't talked about as much and somethin that wasn't kept in our minds as being so terribly wrong as vaginal sex would have been. It was more a programmed sort of thinking. Don't get to "hard" on her to wake up. That will just put her on guard. ASK questions that make her think Maybe she'll realize the insanity of some of the teachings she's heard.

P.s. Oh yes I swallowed ;)

I was about to say that this reminded me of Clerks...

the next line something like 'you could have just had sex with them like any normal, decent girl!'

Getting away from the religion thing, I'm with Dante that a blowjob is as 'bad' as sex for an ex to have done; an "I'm kissing that mouth!" sort of thing. Perhaps also because a blowjob is a more submissive position for a woman to be in, so in a way it's more 'giving'? Ah, I dunno.

I can't comment on the religion thing as I've never dated anyone who's held such beliefs.

Good answer raeanna. Bugging her about it isnt going to get you anywhere.

Anomaly_
That passage regarding spilling seed on the ground is in reference to a man who was obligated to get his dead brother's wife pregnant according to Jewish law. He "broke" the law by cumming on the ground instead of in her and was punished for it. I know it's harsh but it was his motive of refusal to do his "responsibility" rather than where he came.

Can she swallow on Friday, or does she have to "eat fish"?

Typical Christian hypocrisy. This should be nothing new to people who have been involved in a church to a somewhat serious extent (who can beat the brainwashing), however can be quite a shock to those who haven't.

My wife was "saving it" when we first met. It didn't stop her from getting down and dirty otherwise, though.

Within a couple of months of when we started to fool around, we were really close to doing the deed, so we stopped and talked about it and she decided she wanted to do it anyway.

We've never turned back. That's close to eight years ago now.

with some girls, it's OK to do anal, but not vaginal. That way she is still a virgin.

The local Baptist church camp in Oklahoma (where girls are not allowed to wear shorts, but guys are) is also known as the local place where many of today's horny Christian youth lose their virginities. I have actually found some of the most intense sexual women were the ones that were a bit repressed growing up. I don't really find this to be too hypocritical. It is just human nature. My wife and I didn't do any kind of sex prior to getting married, but we did have some rather intense makeout sessions with her orgasming by rubbing against me, and me getting off the same way. Her Catholic upbringing had ingrained this into her.

That's bullcrap - I agree that she's being totally hypocritical. "No sex before marriage" reflects an attitude, not a one-act-only prohibition.

try not to suck any dick on your way through the parking lot!!
:lol:

That's right - if you're going to draw a line - I prefer the Seinfeld definition:
It's only "making out' until the nipple makes an appearance.
After that - it's sex, baby.

Can you give me the name of that church so I can go too?

Here's my take on this: anyone who knows about the Bible should be able to say that ANY sexual activity before marriage is forbidden. I think you'd be hard pressed to get her to say that blow jobs before marriage are okay according to the Bible. The truth is, that while she wants to stick with her beliefs, she also would like to experience sex and to cut loose a little. Oral sex or anything other than penetration protect her from becoming pregnant and thus EXPOSING her. My problem is with the hypocritical adults that put this kind of pressure on her, when many of them have been caught up in the same situation. As for you, give her some room, and talk about it. Fact is, she's learning alot about herself, physically and spiritually right now.

JMHO

All too often people focus too much on the processes and not the goal. Religious extremists are often this way, but then so are most any sort of extremist. Sometimes the process is not compatible with the goal at all. Blowing someone while saving intercourse for marriage is a rather twisted example, much like burning something down to demonstrate against air pollution, or killing someone to demonstrate against abortions... Doesn't really make any sense at all to anyone looking at reality.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's why I did it. Not so much because I truely believed what they all told me but more because I would have been in a shitload of trouble had I been caught. Pregnancy was the big way to catch me. I would have lost the college degree I was almost ready to complete. I had only 1 semester left and about $56,000 worth of education.

Re: Christian girl: no sex, but blowjobs ok. WTF?!
 

I'm not easily offended, but I am disgusted at that comment.

its the same thing with my gf. weird...

as said...this is the fruit of a really funnny irony-the more the religious right talks abstinence, the more they focus on vaginal intercourse. so, all the rightious kids go down on each other.

a funny, NSFW link, is www.technicalvirgin.com. It offers a great spoof of this kind of teaching, and the TV PSAs are highlarious.

It's my conviction that Christianity does not have a sexual ethic-that there is not one set of behaviors that define the Christian sex life. It does have a love ethic. When there is love, that love will define the sex, not the other way around.

but i realize i'm not a very rightwing christian, and that this girl is probably thinking in terms of legalism. its a careful kind of schizophrenic double think that allows people make these kinds of distinctions, but be patient with her, and she may wake up a bit.

Hey now, if it's good enough for the president's logic, it's good enough for me. =)

Re: Christian girl: no sex, but blowjobs ok. WTF?!
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by davidc209
"sex is bad, but blowjobs are ok"

that could be about the best thing i ever heard!
take full advantage my friend!

Re: Re: Christian girl: no sex, but blowjobs ok. WTF?!
 

so you dont wanna hear then about the fact that it was guys he was hooking up with?
i heard he loved to co*k

Okay, so I know this may offend a lot of you but I find Christianity to be the most hypocritical religion out there. You can do this but you can't do this; only God can judge you but go ahead and judge for yourself what is sex and what is acceptable to do to your mate. I had a friend who had to screw his girl in the ass all throughout high school because she viewed anal as acceptable way to fulfill sexual desires without losing her virginity. In many ways, I feel a great deal of pity for Christians who have to play mind games with themselves to get off.

I agree 100%.
I dated a couple of christian girlies who wouldn't fuck. The one barely gave head either! :eek:
I've never known a christian girl who has a healthy outlook on sex. They're either complete whores or they're way too uptight. Therefore, I'll never date another christian as long as I live.

It's not Christianity thats hypocritical, it's the people who pratice it.

The best sex I ever had was with a very religious girl. blowjobs were specialty. she never felt any remorse.

Preach one brotha sixate. I just got out of a bad relationship with a christian girl. She was more than willing to have regular sex and, in fact, was more than willing to seek it out with several different guys, all the while trying to convince me that I should go to church and read the bible. Sigh. Needless to say, I told her I didn't want any part of christianity or her.

It's the way it's taught that causes shit like that to happen. But it's ok, because if there's anything that i've learned about religion, Christians will continue to TAKE IT IN THE ASS, and it's their own fault. (and yes, i'm talking about literally getting ass-fucked as a virginity-keeper.)

That line has been edited and changed many times by popes.

Agreed 100%.

that's not exactly true

If oral hygiene is hygiene
Then oral sex is sex
and you should brush your teeth for both!

excellent

hmmm but not exactly false though either. thanks for the info. i guess from a woman's perspective, it would be more 'true'.

Even though i dont consider oral sex as sex that does seem kinda wack. Maybe she doesnt want to have sex with you or maybe shes afraid of gettin pregnant.

From "The Most Offensive Song Ever" by DVDA (made to sound as if it were Kenny McCormick and Mr. Hankey from South Park)

mods, please delete me if I'm out of line...

i would just like to point out that although mormonism likes to call itself "christian" 'cause it has "the bible" (which they've made thousands of changes to), it should never be classified as "christian".

but back to the meat. perhaps she is more afraid of pregnancy than anything, and her "bible says no 'sex'" rule is to make it easy for her.

what the hell?
 

and people wonder why christians piss me off!
why is it that if another form of religion believes something different then they are no longer "REAL" christians!
i was tought this shit as a kid and it made no sense then either!
catholics were not christins,they were bound for hell
nazarines,mormons,methodists,jehovah's witnesses,amish,ect...
what a bunch of self rightous bullshit!

Word.

LSD

http://www.ncmo.org :lol:
It seems to be a uniquely mormon idea, since once dating starts, pressure to marry starts. these guys set this site up to hook people up for an hour or two of non-committal make-out (NCMO), no strings attached. Google it, there's probably more info out there. My sister is mormon, she told me about it and I couldn't stop laughing for 5 minutes.

http://www.ncmo.org/new_policy.html under pressure of the LDS powers that be, they changed their site objectives

In my opinion do what you want. If you want to have sex have sex. If you dont then dont. There are non christians who dont have sex. Then there are heaps of christians (Catholics included) who do have pre marital sex. Just dont be hypocritical about it.

omg. my one mormon friend told me about ncmos! and how she was all about them. hahaha. i thought she made up the term. apparently not...

they're quite real and quite funny. it's hook-ups, mormon style.

All you angry critics out there are assuming of course that people who call themselves Christians are aka PERFECT, which as we all know is a fallacy. No person is perfect. Followers of Christ know that premarital sex is a sin, and so is all the other stuff. If said followers were perfect, they would follow this to the letter. You are also all assuming that everyone who calls themselves a Christian actually is one.

OK, I'm not a Christian, but why is premarital sex a sin?

And, as a non-Christian, I judge Christianity primarily by the behavior of those who call themselves Christians. You know, about the same way we judge Al-Qaeda.

Why is murder a sin? Why is coveting a sin? Why is stealing a sin? 'Cause God said so, according to the Bible.

I would say you are right to make opinions on Christianity based on it's followers, but I was suggesting that sometimes it seems that the true followers aren't represented. I would argue that there's a lot of Muslims who feel the same way right now.

There is a big big difference between someone who takes the name "christian" because it differentiates them from groups they don't belong to, like Jewish or Muslim, and those who actually adhere to the Biblical principles and actually live a "Christian life". I also argue that many of the people on here railing against Christian hypocrites (which they have every right to) have probably not had the opportunity to see or talk to a 'real, genuine God fearing Christian', to see what being a CHristian is really all about

I don't think it's primarily a Christian "thing." I mean, I've known plenty of girls who would be more than happy to have a go at Mr. Happy for you as long as you abided by the "rules." There was really only one rule. Take it out, play with, rub it with various parts of the body, give it a lick, but whatever you do, for chrissakes don't stick it in.

I was good friends with a girl, who wasn't particularly religious, but followed this same creed. She had guy after guy visiting her for "favors" and it didn't bother her a bit. At a party one time, I watched her get one fellow off in the corner with her hand and then go visit another fellow in the back for some "quality time." I listened to this same girl at work about a week later extoll the virtues of being a virgin in this day and age. :rolleyes:

You can call it what you want you, but the fact is once your 21st digit shows up, it's some form of sex. It doesn't matter much where you don't stick it.

I'm not a Christian, but I believe (at least in the Old Testament) that any sex other than "normal" sex (penis & vagina) was considered sodomy. Sodomy is baaaaaad, mkay? Well anyways, I see where she's coming from, since you can't lose your virginity to oral sex.

adam, premarital sex is a sin because marriage is a sacred institution, and so on. I seriously hope you're not judging Islam based on Al Queda.

I'm with NO BLOWJOBS, Handjobs or anything of that sort including heavy petting. INCREDIBLY hard (NO pun intended) esp. when someone is there and wanting it! Kind of lead to my last break-up as well. SO far so good though!

But to each their own!

"The rules are set in Opposition. Look, but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. And while you're jumping from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughing his sick fucking ass off! He's a tight ass! He's a sadist! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? Never!" Al Pacino - the Devil's Advocate

I think this seems like the obvious answer to questions like abstanance. It seems like God is asking us to go against our own nature. As we grow, we obviously become aware of the opposite sex (and sometimes the same sex, but let's leave that for another thread), it is a natural part of human development. We become sexual for the sake of reproduction. It's programmed in, right? Now the bible say that we should devote ourselves to one person, and only after a promise of singular devotion can we consumate the bond. Do these have to be in opposition?

Obviously it's not easy to wait for that one person who you can love for the rest of your life. No one ever said that'd be easy. I think what the bible is communicating is that God want's us to reproduce, but in a controlled environment. Imagine that we live in a world without premarital sex. How many abortions and infant deaths could be prevented? How many children would have a better chance at growing up in a better home? How many less STDs would there be? I don't know the exact numbers, but it seems that children might be better off being born into a family that planned for it. I am not saying that life conceived outside of marriage is any less than life concieved inside. It just seems that this lesson is there for a good reason.

The problem is people forcing their beliefs on each other. I personally believe in abstaining, but I would never force anyone to follow MY rules. As the act of premarital sex is not illegal, it's not my place (or anyone else's) to enforce God's request.

Here we have a society that is made of of a lot of christians. Those christians live according to a belief system. In this system it is made clear that any premarital sexual relations (Acts 15:20; Romans 1:29; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13,18; 7:2; 10:8; 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7) are considered immoral. Now for the oral and anal(?) sex question, the Bible does not give us a "list" of approved physical activities that a couple can do before they are married.*No where does it say 'Thou shalt not blow', or anything of that sort. It all comes down to your knowledge of God, and His will. If sex before marrige is not allowed by God, it's obvious that any act of foreplay is out of the question.

The problem is that no foreplay can result in pregnancy (unless you're doing it wrong). Oral and anal can result in transfering of STDs and AIDS. Just know that it can be a risk. Make the decision to go all the way, or part of the way, when you are by yourself thinking about right and wrong. Try to avoid making the decision while you are with the object of your desires. It's not impossible to abstain. If I can do it, you can do it. If you want.

I don't see at all why "marriage is a sacred institution" would imply premarital sex is bad. I'm married, and my marriage is very important to me, but it doesn't follow that having sex before marriage was somehow bad. Oh well, just chalk up another part of my culture that mystifies me.

And I didn't say I judged Muslims by Al-Qaeda; I said I judged Al-Qaeda by their behavior. Big difference.

Pretty solid argument, willravel. Well said.

I have to say I'm shocked. I really didn't think that whole "do me in the ass because I'll still be a virgin thing" really existed in such large numbers. call me naive but i really thought that was something that was rare.

I think the whole "no sex before marriage" thing is out of line. Just my opinion, I think if you love someone share that moment with them. I don't like the idea of religion just for this reason. they like to tell people how to live and what to do with your life. You can't give people a roadmap for life, you just have to live it and find out what's right and what's wrong on your own.

I can't put my faith in a religion (specifically catholicism) that tells me not to have sex before marriage but their so-called clergymen fuck their altar boys.

as for the comments about "not spilling your seed" just reminds me of "the meaning of life" and "every sperm is sacred"

My girlfriend and I arent having sex until marriage. I am not christian (though I believe in some sort of higher power but hate the hypocrisy of organized religion) and she is Catholic. We are waiting to have sex not necessarily because of religion but because of possible pregnancy and the fact that we cannot handle a kid while we are in college. We also want to make our honeymoon night extremely special and extremely wild. We do everything else besides sex, bj's, handjobs, fingering, oral to her, but sex will wait. It was more her idea to wait, since I wanted to wait just for the one girl that I knew I loved and then anything goes. But I can wait, its definitely worth it but it is extremely extremely hard to do.

P.S. saying no to sex but doing everything else on the basis of religion is extremely hypocritical. Oh and not all Catholics are opposed to birth control, she said she will go on birth control once we start having sex.

Hmmmm. I really don't like Christians very much (I'm pagan), but a GF who only blows you and occasionally lets you do anal? I think I'm gonna start cruising the churches!!! Where do I sign up?

Hell, take what you can get... Any blowjob is better than no blowjob.

You don't like Christians?! Wtf?! Don't you think that's a gross generalization? If I said, "I hate all black people", I would be dismissed as a racist. If I said, "I hate all women", I would be dismissed as a sexist. If I said, "I hate all Pokemon", I would be considered normal. But if someone says, "I hate all (insert religon here)", that's usually considered to be bigotus. I'm not saying you are definatally a bigot. I was just a little offended by what you said. Now you probably won't like me because I called you on this, but there has to be a christian out there you'd like.

Also, you are the only person who I've ever seen refering to yourself as a 'pagan'. Pagan simply means not of the Christian, Jewish, or Muslim religions. Everything from Wicca to Hinduism is technically pegan (it's a general label, like gentile). Buddhism and Taoism, too. Maybe you're a Satanist?

Man oh man, that was funny.


Must go get some tissues to wipe the coffee off my screen now.



Mr Mephisto

Wow. Did I strike a nerve there or what?

This is the biggest reason I don't like Christians. They freak out over everything. Chill dude.

And if it really matters to you, I'm a Druid. Specifically I'm a solitary Druid loosley associated with the Reformed Druids of North America. Does that make you happy? Pagan to me usually denotes a member of the many flavors of Celtic/Anglo-Saxon based faiths. Most of the folks in our community refer to themselves as Pagan.

It's this "in your face" confrontational mentality that turns people off to Christians. Pagans are content with that general term because someones faith is a very personal, private matter, and the specifics are not necessary for people to know in casual conversation. It's a person's own business. Leave it that way.

Given reason enough, anyone can justify their actions in order to accomodate their desires.

The Bible is a mess of contradictions, and this girl is an example of that.

My first serious GF was sorta like this.

She'd give hadjobs OVER A SHEET, but nothing else :lol:

I'll always look back at that and laugh.

Haha. That made me laugh.

Okay heres my thing....my wife and i are both christians...i went/go to a bible church and she is a luthuren...but basically believe the same thing....we had sex before marriage and we also worried about getting pregnant and was hard to purchase a condom at the time cause we knew everyone where we always shopped at...but does that make us hypicits cause we are christians? i think not...anyway...i have never heard of having anal sex, to keep your virginity and didnt know it was so well followed so to speak.

I can understand the thinking behind just giving blowjobs but not sex...cause when ur a teenager...you dont think of like std's and stuff.

I love that comment hun. :lol:

that also offended me...and i dont get offended easily lol...

i am curious what ur opinion of a healthy outlook on sex is?

You, sir, don't have a clue what you are talking about. Prove it.

I'll prove it for him. I'm Jewish and during our confirmation class our rabbi told us about these contradictions.

He admitted that the bible was flawed and that god most likely did not write it. However, he told us that even if we didn't believe the bible as the word of god, we should believe in the deeper message it contained; a message of hope and peace gained through acts of good will.

Mind you, this all came from a conservative rabbi (meaning not orthodox or reform), and I walked out of that class with a ton of newfound respect for this man who admitted that organized religion was basically bs. I was proud to be a member of his synagogue.

Either way, here is your list of inconsistencies and contradictions:

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...stencies.shtml

Religious scholars have managed to explain some these contradiction, and to be fair here's the link for that:

http://debate.org.uk/topics/apolog/contrads.htm

However, not all of the contradictions can readily be explained. Good luck on your journey of introspection.

As far as I can see, this girls choices on the matter - and her motivation towards making them - are up to her. The degree of hostility and criticism from some quarters seems to me to be totally unjustified. Who else has the right to interpret what her religion demands of her? Her relationship with her God is her own personal business, and no one elses.

You are write when you say that God didnt write the bible cause he didnt...humans wrote it for/thru him...so tech. he did write the bible.

lmao - i was reading through the post to see if anyone had quoted clerks excellent

cafeteria christianity
 

i call this cafeteria christianity - people use it all the time they take one part of the bible or there religion and they follow that as the absolute truth and ignore another part.

the right uses it all the time in it's argument that gays are bad - at another point in the bible it says we should stone childern who severly misbehave - but i don't see too many people asking for even corporal punishment back

christian girls are kinky.

[QUOTE=sblime42]I'll prove it for him. I'm Jewish and during our confirmation class our rabbi told us about these contradictions.

He admitted that the bible was flawed and that god most likely did not write it. However, he told us that even if we didn't believe the bible as the word of god, we should believe in the deeper message it contained; a message of hope and peace gained through acts of good will.

Your source is flawed. Your rabbi friend is not the only person who can have a valid opinion of the word of God. Also, Jew's only recognize half the Bible. You also gave no proofs from your rabbi friend that the Bible is inaccurate. Did he have some?

Do you know for sure that the inaccuracies listed on that website are true? Have you ever read the Bible?

If I were you I'd decide some things for myself, and not let others tell me what to think about God and the Bible.

for a simple thread , and an interesting one it didn`t harf get testy. If a girl wants to give anything up, we gotta just take it and move on. thats my 2 cents.

No sex before marriage? How about no sex after marriage! I guess that's the difference between secular & religious.

Christian girls do it in the ass?!? I hear Utah is lovely this time of year.

Blowjobs aren't sex? My wife's attorney would get a kick out of that.