lol you really do sound like a PUA from seduction forums. but at least you're doing semi good research

without a doubt though you seem to buy into some of the basic PUA assumptions (some of which i agree with):
1. chicks wont get with nice guys just because they're nice guys
2. regular folk out there are clueless when it comes to picking up women
3. every woman, through the recognition of a pattern and a reaction to that pattern, can be "gotten" (sex, dating, whatever)

i think TFP is the wrong tree for you to be barking up, but if you want to start a thread on PUAs, i dont think there's one of those yet and TFP would certainly turn it into todays shitty moral values against "la vie c'est short"

telekinetic's got the right idea!

This.

All you need is to approach and talk. Sometimes somebody isn't interested, or is in a relationship and they have no choice but to nicely reject you. So then forget it. Would you be into every girl that approaches you?


The PUA assumptions are dead-wrong. PUA is only useful for getting your self confidence up to approach girls in all sorts of different situations in real life, not just in meat markets like bars or clubs; but these are the best starting points for practice.


The girls I have dated, they liked me b/c I treated them nicely. I've mostly always paid for all the dinners, open doors for them, etc. Yet, I also am not afraid of being myself and making pervy remarks, jokes, and being licentious. They appreciate it. I think they just want someone who's interesting. And yes, they've always stayed with me and no I am not the one being dumped :P

If you are paying for everything and too afraid of being yourself (ie putting the girl on a pedestal), then of course you won't get anywhere. But just being yourself is the key, I think.

To be honest - I enjoy every girl who wants to have a conversation or dance. It shows me that girl doesn't sit with her hands on her lap waiting for something, but going after it to get it. It shows motivation and I'm always interested about this motivation.

For girls it is different - guys approaches girls much more often than girls guys, so I won't be able to say much about why do they reject people.

Relationships mentioned as reason for rejection is total BS ! Girls wants to get rid fast and efficiently , so they say that they do have kids, is in relationship or some similar reason which just scares guys. If you are fine with that and just mention , that you didn't targeted for a date, but would still want to have some tea / coffee / beer , they agree pretty often.

I really do respect relationships, but so far , there was small percentage girls who rejected conversation for me for any reason. And I'm not a prince or any guy who knows how to seduce. It's just different approach for a girl.