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Men's choice and preference
Having been given the green light on this subject, I will say again that I promote prostitution as an alternative lifestyle against dating and monogamy. One of the common sentences I employ is "You need not subject yourself to vindictive, possessive hags".
For the purposes of communication, that sentence needs to have its meaning fleshed out. Once we get through that, there is a chance that the door of the discussion will be opened to more advanced topics. Monogamous relationships exist to facilitate and promote the Mommy/baby social unit. They do not exist for the purposes of expanding and promoting the sexual choices of men. In many cases, dating jealous, single women will reduce your choices. Prostitution is a means of increasing your choices. The alternative involves subjecting yourself to the following,
I have been the target of these tactics so many times that I am no longer surprised by them. In fact, I expect women to do this, and without fail they all do them. Women are not mesmerized by you. They are rarely interested in sex. What mesmerizes women are little children. It is the house full of babies that they want. This true motivation is always concealed, and concealed for purely strategic reasons. This topic alone can be expanded upon in book-length exposition, but I will refrain until relevant replies appear. An honest suggestion for men: If it is sex you want, you need not subject yourself to jealous, possessive, vindictive hags. Prostitution is your means of increasing your choices. A business transaction will also better serve your preferences. You will not be subject to a forced negotiation about which particular sex acts are available to you and which ones she is "saving for her future husband". This negotiation somehow never takes place until 7 weeks into the relationship. With a woman who is selling services, this obviously happens much faster. |
Wow, just wow.
Are you soliciting reactions, do you have a legitimate question or is this an educational program? |
Let's talk about this whole mommy/baby unit and men's choice thing. I just remembered a particularly lengthy but fun forum rant and I'll post it here.
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I'm sorry, but it seems that the women you've dated come from a place I haven't seen. Or are you somehow giving a vibe that attracts a specific type of woman? |
No offense, but you know exactly nothing about women. I won't pretend to be an expert, but I've been able to deduce quite a bit about women from my experiences, and I can tell you a few things:
1) Many, if not most women certainly are interested in sex. They may not be interested in precisely the same way as most men, but it's a lot closer than people suppose. Women like the physical pleasure of sex, they enjoy the intimacy and that special connection that comes from the combination of healthy sexual physical and emotional attachment. Not only that, but they can get worked up into a frothy sexual mess when they want to and when they're properly stimulated, to the point of, as you say, mesmerization. This is not some massive conspiracy to trick men into helping them procreate, but rather a natural biological urge, virtually identical to the urge men have. 2) While many women do have a strong biological urge to procreate, it's a part of a larger set of innate and environmental factors which make up a woman's attitude towards sex. It's not JUST baby-making. It's not even JUST monogamy. 3) Men, such as myself, are naturally not only capable of monogamy, but some of us even prefer it strongly. I've not been reprogrammed by society or something, I want to be a father and be a part of a stable, healthy family unit. I had it before and I consciously recognize that, for me, it's a better living situation than being a cocksman (sexually active bachelor). 4) Finally, your generalization that all women are kiniving, manipulative, hateful, selfish baby machines is incredibly offensive and simply untrue. The most caring, selfless, loving, empathetic people I know are women. Not that the men I know aren't, but I happen to know women who prove your hypothesis wrong. Jewels, in fact, is an example of a caring, intelligent, non-manipulative, strong, independent woman. She proves you wrong. Oh, and I've never had to pay for sex before. Why would I want to pay money for something I get for free? |
I miss that The Fuck (TM) guy. I wish he would have stuck around longer.
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... And I already know the problem: The whole issue with the OP is that he hasn't found a girl that'll do anal. I've got a coworker in the same boat. "Dude, she won't let me put it in her butt without a wedding ring first." |
Don't feed the troll guys...
Just sayin. What I take from this is you have had bad luck with women or you illicit this attitude from your partners. Maybe an attitude adjustment would help you attract a better partner. |
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1. You've dated the wrong women. Exclusively. Before being married, I had my share of relationships, and what you've described above does not resemble in any way anyone I've ever been with. It doesn't even describe anyone I've ever been interested in. Or most girls I've even known well. 2. It sounds like you are profoundly uninterested in serious relationships. By which I mean, relating to a person as a partner, coming to know and value them at a deep emotional and spiritual level, experiencing sex as part of an array of interactions that bring you to complex and sophisticated bonding with another human being. And if #2 is correct, as it sure looks to be, that might be fine. Personally, I think that experiencing sex isolated instances of physical gratification (as in, for example, regularly purchasing the services of a prostitute as a lifestyle choice) is not particularly emotionally or spiritually healthy. But of course, that's your own business. What I think may be a little unclear here, though, is that I am not at all certain that many other men share the views you have described here, much less the solution that you propose as resolving them. Granted, it certainly does sound like you've found some disastrously issue-ridden women to date, for which you have my sympathy. But I think that for others, who may not have had such a uniformly negative set of experiences with women, there is a desire for relationships that provide a more nuanced and complex spectrum of interactions: something that involves heart and soul, as well as genitals. I am not suggesting that there is something absolutely objectionable about prostitutes or prostitution. I have long been a big supporter of legalizing prostitution, and the rights of sex workers. And if I knew that a person of my acquaintance had been with a prostitute, I would not think less of them for it. But I think that an entire lifestyle, even a supplementary lifestyle, based on the purchase of sex as a commodity abstracted from emotional and spiritual interaction is unhealthy, and not conducive to promoting either self-worth or valuation of others as individuals. I think that if you are truly unable to find someone relatively mentally stable and emotionally healthy to have sexual relationships with, it's better to just masturbate than to have meaningless physical gratification with someone for money. And that's not a judgment of sexual morals, but of psychological and spiritual wholesomeness. To use an analogy, prosititution is like eating the food at county fairs. There is not necessarily anything wrong with deep fried twinkies or mars bars, and funnel cakes, and refried corn dogs. Those can be fun treats when you're at the fair. But it would be unhealthy to make them your regular diet. Not only would you be doing your arteries a grave disservice, but you would be ruining your palate for all the real, fresh, gourmet foods that are out there; so that if presented, let's say, with an exquisitely delicate Japanese miso soup, your palate would be so sugar-fogged and grease-logged that you would miss all the grace and nuanced flavors of the soup. Visiting a prostitute once, or a couple of times, or even a few times in one's life might be perfectly reasonable, depending on context. Doing so might not adversely affect one at all. But making a lifestyle out of prostitutes, rather than trying to find and cultivate serious relationships with non-sex-professional women will, I think, lead to devaluing the meaning of the sex act. Sure, sex is satisfying physically, and can be fun, and casual. But it can also be so much more. And if the rest of that spectrum of experience is dropped and left untouched, it will ruin your sexual palate. Plus, I think that a lifestyle of nothing but interactions with women as purveyors of a commodity will result in a gradual devaluing of women in your mind. No, this does not seem like a good idea to me. My advice to you is to seriously re-evaluate what women you are attempting to engage with. It might potentially profit you to have some dedicated time, in therapy or just in disciplined introspection, to ask yourself why you seem to seek out women who are so controlling and manipulative. But you should also, I think, ask yourself about your own behavior, your own past and experiences, and why you are so focused on sexual gratification without emotional or spiritual partnering, why you seem to be someone reluctant to share himself with others, and why you seem to see interpersonal relationships as so threatening and competitive. |
I having nothing articulate to say, apart from women are pretty freakin rad.
Sounds like you got a few daemons to fight bro. |
Hrm. Any chance that your past relationship problems had anything to do with your own behavior?
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I visited the OP's profile, out of curiosity. The OP is a case study in misogyny, to me. I was just fascinated by it. I may respond later, but I may not; it just seems futile.
Anyway, when I visited his profile, I was struck by the irony of the profile status message: "Makhnov hasn't made any friends yet." |
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It's kind of amazing that someone can spend thirty minutes or so writing all that shit down while not realizing that they're perpetuating the tired, old, self-interested, fucked-up male stereotype that would seem to be the perfect match for a vindictive, possessive hag. |
I want to post a retort, but just don't have the energy. You sound like you have it "all figured out." Here's to long life - may yours be exceptionally long.
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I guess the troll's done his work. His lead-in post suggested a conversation about prostitution, which has been done here but is, at least, interesting.
But the fact that he's chosen a forum such as TFP which is obviously as open and sexual as they come (porn-exclusive sites don't count) to create a female-bashing post with no question or intent stated is intensely suspect. If you're lurking, what were you hoping to accomplish? Are we ready for the "more advanced topics" yet? :yawn: By any chance, are you related to the sociopath? |
Now, Jewels... there is a perfectly good follow-on discussion spark that I attempted to fan with my TL;DR post that everybody skipped over.
Do you think any of that is true? I tend to see a lot of those generalizations manifest themselves in my peers these days. It's very bipolar. Quote:
*looks at his own profile* I'm... so alone. |
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Not alone. |
Well, I'm looking for conversation. And seeing that you and I are sitting here twiddling our thumbs, shall we dance?
Very rarely do I feel as if a "troll" can dump its toxic waste here on TFP without it turning into fertilizer for a beautiful flower. Or, ya know, at least a really good one-liner that leaves us all going THBHBHTHBHBBHTT! for the next decade. |
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I read your post, niner.
I did not read the OP past, 'possessive hags' What parts of your post do you agree or disagree with? I'm way way past child bearing age & never experienced the urge for babies. The settling down part, yeah. & Levite's post is full of good wise advice. Have a nice day at work, Jewels. Okay, where were/are we? |
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The enumerated list which I gave is not "what some women do or some particular personality type engages in" - no rather this list of items is precisely what "having a relationship" means. These behaviors are what a relationship is. Men in this thread who deny these items are simply in a state of willful denial. What I call modern "Post-Feminist" Society has an entire cultural, legal, and often "biological" architecture. And all aspects of this I have already argued ten different ways on ten different forums. (Doubtlessly, we may need to re-hash all these botched arguments again, here, in order to get everyone up to speed.) I have seen numerous forums where the guys get all fuzzy-wuzzy with each other about relationships and they say things like "You don't choose women. Women choose you. And once you realize that, things will get better in your life." It is simply nauseating to watch. They are basically converting each other into little subordinate lapdogs in front of my eyes. Post-feminist society turns men into little dogs in a Doggy show, who pretty themselves up in vying for attention from Female Masters. They willfully turn themselves into dogs begging for sex treats, whenever their Mistress decides to toss them one. I have the utmost respect for men here who have chosen the life path of a monogamous partner, or who have chosen the life path of a father. I wish you and your family all the best. Apply your energy and time to your life, and live it fully; live it successfully. Godspeed to you. But be forewarned. I am not here at this forum to talk to you. I have already made my decision about where my life is going. Your future attempts at proselytizing me will be ignored. I am here to find other men who travel for the purposes of buying services. I am active on a variety of other forums related to that. All of this subject matter must be brought up in attempt to highlight those men who are sympathetic of the message, and to inoculate the conversation of fathers and other romantics. Quote:
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Of course, the fact that 'sex tourism' willfully rests on the exploitation of young men and women who are sold, given, taken by others has no bearing on the topic. Sorry, but your need to ejaculate inside another human is a pathetic excuse for rationalizing that industry.
Legalizing/legitimizing/standardizing prostitution would radically change your practice of buying sex. You realize that don't you? It's bullshit. You don't want anything to change. You just want to be told that your choices are ok. |
"I am here to find other men who travel for the purposes of buying services."
That, is not going to happen here. Take your hate speak against women..the fuck outta here. |
I'm pretty sure monogamy exists solely as a means for gay men to obscure the nature of their sexuality. Pretty sure anyone who doesn't agree with me is either a closeted homo or delusional.
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Why is it that so many men who fancy themselves to be 'consumers of philosophy' are instead narcissistic, misogynistic assholes with compulsive sexual needs?
I know there are a lot of philosophy nerds here (forgive my euphemism), so this is not a universal observation, just one that I have gathered through strictly empirical observation. There seems to be a tendency amongst some of those that I've had the misfortune to come in contact with to cover their self-indulgence with a glean of philosophical authority. Anyone else ever observe this? |
Yes, I have noticed that also.
Cloaking their true agenda inside some jargon that 'sounds' just philosophical enough to gain an audience ..etc. Ayn Randitis. |
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Frankly, I find the original post offensive and misogynistic. In the interest of full disclosure, I am a happily married monogamous male. I can be an asshole at times, and she can be a bitch at times. It's just human nature. We're also very kind, intelligent, wonderful people most of the time. But our relationship is both fulfilling and mutually beneficial in a variety of ways. It wasn't for procreation (we were told we couldn't have children, something about ovarian reserve), but we miraculously wound up procreating anyway. Sorry, I digressed there for a minute. I just don't agree with any of it, I think it's either the product of deep seated anger from a past relationship or a serious Oedipus complex. |
It's good to see you, Sigmund, I thought you had died in 1939.
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The narcissistic, misogynistic (and often misandric) sexual compulsive who rhymes off philosophical tidbits rehashed by their personal prejudices likely do so only after having a pick-and-choosefest of the "stuff" they liked best, which is likely the stuff that feeds into their desires---the arrangement of which is formulated by their skewed worldview. It's the kind of guy who, if they aren't going to approach philosophy in a fair and balanced way as a detriment of their condition/situation, then they should just stick to listening to death metal and/or gangsta rap to commiserate with something. It's much simpler. It's the same kind of guy who doesn't realize that Fight Club is a scathing satire, not a source of desirable life philosophy. I'm not sayin' that the OP is this kind of guy. I'm just sayin'.... One cannot even hope to take the idea of "post-feminism" seriously beyond it as a mere misunderstanding of feminism. (It is my observation that most people don't get it.) I won't even go into sociology or psychology. |
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I have a suspicion that what this translates out to is that you're not here to talk to anyone here, then...except for you. I'm sorry that you are experiencing such a complete sense of disconnection from healthy relationships and social maturity. And I say that with genuine sympathy, not dismissively. You must be very lonely and angry. But the fact that you perceive everyone here as in denial should be a clue for you that your perception of the reality of women and relating to them is so far from the norm that it is not merely alternative or rebellious, but simply beyond the pale of reason. Because you can spin your point any way you like it, but it still essentially boils down to a stew of psychological dysfunctions and misogyny. Doesn't mean I will try to talk you out of it. You've made your decisions about how you want to live your life. But that doesn't mean that the rest of us can't acknowledge that the choices you describe are unhealthy, misfounded, and aesthetically unpleasant. |
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From my point of view, Makhnov, you're mixing two very distinct subjects. I think most of us here are focusing on your misogyny, because it's so blatant and over the top, but a couple of people have responded to your point about prostitution. Personally, I don't have an ethical problem with prostitution, so long as there's no victimization. Unfortunately, I think the evidence is pretty solid that a large percentage of prostitution does involve victimization, especially the sex tourism you refer to. If we take prostitution as simply an exchange of intimate services for money, I'm ok with that, and honestly thing it would be fun. Doesn't seem that different to me than paying for a massage, for instance. That is, assuming I weren't in a monogamous relationship, and that prostitution is illegal.
Unfortunately, prostitution much (perhaps most) of the time it involves the victimization of another human being. Personally, this puts it off-limits to me for ethical reasons, unless I were reasonably certain the exchange were made without coercion. Unfortunately, a fair amount of porn probably falls into the same ethical problems, and Rosy Palmer and her five sisters can attest that I make use of that quite a bit...so I'm not exactly the symbol of ethical purity on that count. Now regarding the rest of your post...I'm seeing what I think is a bit of a logic problem in your arguments. If I understand you correctly, you claim that the very concept of a monogamous relationships are structured purely for the woman's benefit, and that women are manipulative in the extreme to control the men in these relationships. And yet you say you have the utmost respect for those men who chose to be in them. This doesn't make sense to me - you have respect for men that allow themselves to be crassly manipulated by the women in their lives, when "They willfully turn themselves into dogs begging for sex treats..."? How does that work, exactly. Now, I think there's a bit of truth to some of the things you say. There are certainly lots of examples of women manipulating men with sex, just as there are lots of examples of men abusing women. What you seem to be arguing seems to me to be the exact mirror of a stereotypical rabid feminist arguing that 'all men are rapists'. In other words, I think you're generalizing your personal, negative, experience to every woman and every relationship between men and women. |
OP seems a little ticked that no one has engaged him in his commentary and has just dismissed him as a troll/misogynist. I have a thought or two on some of the topics that he's raised.
I believe that there are two parts to fundamental human behaviors. There's the part that is based on the evolution of the species. It's a success trait for the species for a woman to be interested in establishing a stable relationship. That's also a success trait for a man since it's his offspring that benefit. There's probably a competing instinct to spread genes. That's most likely true for men and (I read somewhere) also a benefit to a woman in the context of genetic diversity. A balance seems to have developed between these two instincts, favoring a stable relationship. Then there's the part of behavior that is learned as opposed to instinctive. It's important to remember that the species hasn't evolved all that much in several thousand years. Culture and civilization are relatively new to us, but we are essentially the same as we were 8 or 10 thousand years ago, before any vestige of civilization developed. The difference between then and now is the body of collective knowledge, expressed in willful behavior as opposed to instinctive. The OP would like, I think, to justify his choices and desires by ignoring the second part and at least part of the first part. In short, whatever it takes in order to validate prostitution-based promiscuity. I wonder why he feels the need for such validation? By choosing to be single and by choosing to not procreate, he then has the freedom of action to do as he will (within the law). With a little effort, he should find plenty of willing partners. With no effort at all, he can purchase sex at will. I wonder if the "no effort at all" has something to do with it? ---------- Post added at 08:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:34 PM ---------- "All of this subject matter must be brought up in attempt to highlight those men who are sympathetic of the message, and to inoculate the conversation of fathers and other romantics." Why? Brought up by whom, to what purpose? |
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The original poster has nothing to offer a woman. Except money. So of course he would favor prostitution.
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Welcome, Mak, and thank you for the subject matter. As you can see, we dont agree with you. I place myself amongst those who disagree with you on philosophical standards as I do indeed treasure my little subordinate lapdog by the name of CDWonderful. He is a treasure of a man who ties his balls and penis up for me quite royally (and literally) and presents them to me on a platter (again literally). However, I am not of the genetic code of womankind who is driven to have milk in her breasts. I bore one child and am glad I did but I did so because I was drunk and stupid and made poor decisions. I was alcohol free during the entire time of my pregnancy thank god, but not what lead up to it nor what happened after for the first six years of her life. I doubt had I not been an alcoholic, would I ever have been a parent, so this was a blessing out of ruins but I immediately had my tubes tied because I knew I did not have it in me to do more than one child. I will in fact, not even hold a baby. I am trying to get over that since I expect grandchildren some day. I actually fear the day one is born and someone is going to expect me to hold it. I will love when it can toddle. I dont want to think about it when it is supine.
but...what I want to talk to you about is prostitution... I actually would have loved to have been a prostitute. Not a hooker. A prostitute. A well paid, high end, well known prostitute. I like sex. I equate sex with power over men. Just as you said. I like giving them that. I like giving them the ability to let go and let me handle things for awhile. To really let me handle things...CD tells me he has never had a blow job like mine before. I am an aggressor. I take over and dont let him move. He isnt allowed thrusting or grabbing me or directing or taking control. His cock is MINE. And he learned that from the first time it bulged my pretty little cheeks out. He was to lay back and let me handle it. Him. It. His Cumming. And boy did he... men want to be taken care of..thats exactly why they want prostitutes..thats why they pay someone. Thats why I would love to be one. CD doesnt have to pay for it. He gets it because I give it to him. By taking all his power sexually. And even when he is thrusting in me, its when I say so...and damn he rides on command well.... lapdogs and johns are not so different Mak. Dont think yourself so unique...you have the same needs....you just havent met the right women... |
This thread really is a credit to the forum, I have to commend how level headed and mature these responses have been so I might add a little something more.
I've come across real life versions of the OP before, people with the same kind of views towards women. What made me sit up and take notice here was mixedmedia's comment about 'cosumers of philosophy' because it's something I've noticed. I've seen a bit of this, and it reminds me of the kinda folk who believe in ladder theory or the sorta folk who think 'The Game' is an actual instructional book and use all kinds of intellectual tools to justify their behavior or deny their own short comings. I object to the view held by the OP because, put simply, they're baseless and needless, mostly just totally needless. I just don't see the point in choosing to alienate yourself from the folk who really aren't that different to ones self and can provide a whole lot of happiness. Not only that, why fill that void with more negativity? I'm mean shiiiiiit man, don't you want to smile and be happy? Hating on others is an easy way to distract yourself from your own problems, but at the end of the day, you still have problems to deal with and are no better off. So you wunna throw in the towel with women and get your sexual fix from whores, that's cool, if you were one of my friends telling me this I'd tell you to dust yourself off and harden the fuck up a little. But, you're free to do what ever the hell you want bro, I strongly doubt any of us are going to change your mind, that's OK though, it really is your loss. |
I love* threads about the Ladder Theory. They're the forum equiv of invading Poland.
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... Wait... you know what's kinda weird? I totally posted angry, bitter rant-garbage like this all the frickin' time when I first showed up here at TFP and yet, for some reason I'll never understand, I wasn't instantly booed off stage by the gauntlet of equal rights ivory tower We Are The Worlders. Hmm, time for another TFP Is Changing thread, perhaps? I dig how Kant and psychological dysfunction are paraded out as some type of high brow analysis of what probably just amounts to Another Modern Male being really tired of and frustrated by his failures in intimate relationships. I'm glad that it takes a herd of fruitcakes to identify lone fruits and nuts. It gives me some perspective. Basically: I don't want to be like that. It seems we've got these free floating labels for what is acceptable and the adhesive on said labels only lasts for a short duration. So, yeah, I'm glad you guys were gentler with me. I've really learned a lot being here and I've grown to be a better person for it. And maybe there is another me in this guy. |
I have changed, too. I'm no longer interested in getting into long, drawn out conversations about stuff that's important to me with people who really care about nothing other than getting a rise out of someone so they can sit and giggle to themselves about how glib and garrulous they are. That's how I've changed.
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Man I can't believe that made it out of this little country haha. As for your other comments though, I mean sure, we could have ranted at the OP, but what purpose would it serve? At that point it would either be a troll getting what they wanted or someone so committed to their mindset that it would just enforce that we're wrong and they're right. Constructive criticism and analysis might not achieve much, but it might, just might, give the OP something to think about and plant a tiny seed in their head which maybe, just maybe, sprout and make them consider a different point of view. |
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Habermas is a follower in the tradition of post-structuralism. The most important name in post-structuralist philosophy is none other than Michel Foucault. And lets be honest about what kinds of changes Foucault wanted. Foucault, along with a circle of other french intellectuals, wanted to abolish the AOC. (I am not here to discuss AOC. We can start another thread on that.) The larger point supported by this example is that even the most highly-educated, highly-read philosophers of the Western World were not happy with the laws. In fact the most radical of social ideologues come from halls of the universities. This was never more true than in pre-revolution Russia. 1960s France is also a prime example. Your contention that if I study philosophy at the graduate level, that I will somehow come to realize the deep wisdom of the laws in the USA. Baraka Guru, sir, that idea is pure bullshit and you know it. (more on this later). Quote:
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1. "Men do not have strong preferences because they are supposed to bed anything they can get. And as much as they can get. For this reason, they are not picky about their partners." 2. "Men hunt. Women nest." 3. "Women want commitment while men are naturally promiscuous." etc. etc. And sure. Many of these claims at the heart of post-feminism are supported by all sorts of elaborate arguments about paleolithic cave men. These kinds of botched myths are very compelling to many americans who are more than ready to yell them loudly in conversation in support of their modern lifestyle. This is part and parcel of people who think the laws and mores and morals of their local culture are supported by the very fabric of biology and physical reality. They are not. Every culture thinks it is enlightened. Humans have been playing this justification game since at least the early medieval era. |
There are evolutionary explanations that contradict your claims of a post-feminism, a big one being the loss of estrus, or "concealed ovulation," in human beings. This shift gave greater reproductive power towards the female compared to other primates. This encouraged males to invest more into the relationship. Despite your claims on male sexuality, you've so far neglected to acknowledge a male's desire for sexual access vs. a female's ability to protect that access. Sure there are males who pick low-hanging fruit and settle for sexual access to females of unusually low self-esteem, but many females aren't so willing as sexual partners simply for the sake of sex, and not all males are about sex for the sake of sex.
I will choose to overlook your previous comments on philosophy, as you are participating in that picking and choosing thing I mentioned. Much like your approach to feminism, it acts as a smoke screen to veil your true intent, which is your desire to share your gusto for having no-strings-attached sexual encounters. I have nothing against that in itself; I just wish you would be more forthright about it and stop making it sound like you're onto something big that we're all overlooking. You want to fuck women and lots of them. Yay. How postmodern of you. You're a decade or a few too late, however. |
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Pointing out that women have a desire to start a family, and that this life plan is concealed until the time is right. Warning other men that they do this is "misogyny"? No, I don't think it is. Americans have in their brains a capacity for cognitive dissonance that is breathtaking in its scope. Even while the laws of their nations are completely senseless, they somehow are able to conversationally provide a botched justification for them. If you pay a woman for services in the privacy of your own home, she is a "prostitute" and the business transaction is a crime punishable with prison time. But if you invite three friends over and film the action, then presto, she is a "porn actress" and your act is legal. Not only legal; the material in the video camera can be uploaded at the website of your choosing. There is a section of this forum dedicated to nude photography. I am a huge admirer of this kind of thing, and I have had the pleasure of seeing the inside of the business in at least a small way. I'm huge fan of Petter Hegre. Grigori Galitsin was the original genius, but his work is looking dated. In any case, the english-speaking world was not spearheading the radical changes made to erotic photography in and outside the internet. The americans had Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, all of which were alien to what Galitsin started doing in the first years of this decade. I know there must be other admirers of this type of photography on this forum. I want to bring you guys a little bit behind the curtain of this business. Know that the vast majority of the girls you are looking at are from eastern europe. I guess I could ask you guys how long you expect to "look at the catalog" before taking some assertive action in your life in the direction of what you like. :) To tie this back into prostitution, know that these models are being payed to do work in front of the camera. Money is exchanging hands for services. I ask, when Mr. Hegre was traveling in Kiev, Ukraine, where is it that you guys think he picked up these models? Do you think he went searching at the local library? Do you think he posted wanted ads outside of schools? Of course not. He walked straight into establishments where people were already working in the adult entertainment business. Yeah. He walked into strip clubs. Basically. Go look at the photos posted in the Erogenous Zone of this forum. Allow me to bring a reality check between you and the jpegs. Do you think that none of the girls in those photographs are strippers? No, some of them are. You don't think some of those girls are leveraging their immaculate bodies for a little bit more than mere photography? Dream on. Your mind is in Magical Candyland. Let me bring your mind back to earth. Some of them are. Doubtlessly, some of you are going to go running to google to find out who Grigori Galitsin is. Maybe one of you will notice he was getting models from massage salons in St. Petersburg. Then maybe, just maybe, you will come to realize how unrealistic your worldview is. But if you are american, such reflective thinking probably won't take place upstairs. I will say to you Mr. levite, that your idea that you could lecture me on unhealthiness and aesthetics. That is the height of audacity. I can tell from your "slender, athletic frame" that I should be lecturing you on those things and not the other way around. ---------- Post added at 05:32 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:20 AM ---------- Quote:
I'm not going to grab curb-crawlers. Not my thing. Way too dangerous. And who is to say I actually want to fuck women? Maybe I don't. Maybe I prefer to photograph them or tie them up. How would you know? If I am going to photograph models, I am going to be be paying them anyway. And what better way to see what you might be buying. Modeling is an excuse to interact at a business level before committing to anything. It is a good alternative lifestyle that does not involve coercion. I openly promote it to all men. |
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No. I'm not a troll getting giggles from any of this. Americans and british are freaking out in this thread because they can't verbalize exactly what their fears are. They are claiming I am going to exploit and coerce poor women into heinous acts. Their statements in that regard are ten times more "Trollish" than anything I have posted here. They have absolutely no reason to believe that I am going tro hurt anyone.
They "think" I'm going to hurt someone because either, (1) The phrase "overseas prostitution" means something bad because they heard something bad about it on TV. (2) They are trolls who have a post-feminist agenda. They use slander and wit to avoid having to justify their worldview. In essence, their worldview is "justified" because they can simply conjure from their friends list a coterie of nannies freaking out in the same way. Let me try to soothe your fears. Culture and morals are different in different parts of the world. If a person's nation is not serving his interests, he should have the freedom to go to a place that does. The alternative argument to that, does not make any sense. ("He should suffer in order so that a woman can have a nice life with lots of babies in the suburbs" ??! "He should inflict suffering upon himself to maintain a relationship. Because not maintaining a relationship is unhealthy. So he should subject himself to it no matter how miserable he becomes." ??! ) |
I have few fears, and none at all with regard to what you may or may not do.
I have traveled extensively as well. I suspect that prostitution is no less exploitative in Los Angeles than in Bangkok, just less extensive and a smaller part of GDP. Whether you choose to hurt someone is independent of where you purchase sex. It's an innate part of your character. I don't feel the need to justify my worldview; why do you feel such a need? What, exactly, are you looking for here? If you could get your wish, what would you see written by the others here? Your misogyny is independent of your rationalizations. Selectively quoting Kant, Kegel, Focault or Elmer Fudd may help you feel better about your choices, but that doesn't sell them. Would you dispute that it is a success trait for the species for a man to engage in a stable monogamous relationship? I imagine you would. Tell me why, please. |
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Oh, I see. You wanted to say that such men are better men than I am. Okay. I got it. Just make sure you read this article before you reply, http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mo...ralism/#NatFal And then after you get done, make sure to log into forums for gay men to tell them how much better their heterosexual counterparts are. |
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2. I agree, most mainstream porn is philosophically untenable, and therefore do not support it. I also have frequently questioned whether some other "homemade" porn is much better, in that it may be exchanging exploitation for support of psychological unhealthiness. 3. I have already noted that I support legalizing prostitution, and most other "vice" crimes. This is not about legality or illegality, but about psychological and spiritual health and integrity, as well as empathic relations with fellow human beings. 4. The majority of the participation by members at this site does not appear to be porn-oriented, but rather toward excellent discussion of many issues and amusements by relatively psychologically healthy and integrated (if quirky) individuals. 5. Whatever you think you can tell from my profile photo is irrelevant. My comments were made in regard to psychological health and spiritual integrity, not athleticism or body size. And if you're criticizing my aesthetic appeal, that is also irrelevant, in that you were not invited to have sex with me, or to judge my physical beauty. Rather, you are using this red herring of a personal attack to attempt to anger me into retaliating, so that you may feel superior. But I am not angry: to the contrary, seeing how strongly you push others away, I feel more compassion for you. 6. You continue to describe women's behavior in terms that are obsessively paranoid, accusing them universally of unsavory behaviors that I, and clearly most others here also, seldom if ever have noted in our female acquaintances. That is misogyny. Plain and simple. I'm sorry if hearing that is unpleasant. But truth often is. |
You didn't answer his question.
No one has said anything about locking you up. What kind of acknowledgment are you hoping to find here? And why? I happen to agree with you that prostitution should be legal. I think the industry should be taken out of the hands of criminals thereby making it safer for sex workers and free from the corruption, coercion, exploitation of those who are not in the field by choice - so that those young men and women who would rather, I dunno, settle down and start a family have that choice. |
I had quite a well thought out response written and then just realised that all I'm reading is 'merher herder I'm too much of a pussy to let my shit go and see women as anything other than just people'. (And before people rag on my spelling, we use Queens English down here :P)
Keep building walls around yourself man, see how far it gets you in life. Sure as fuck didn't get me very far, now I'm late 20's and wishing I could take my younger years back and have just gone running into the dark with knives out when it came to relationships no matter what the risk. But one is where they are, all you can do is move forward either correcting the mistakes of the past or making them all over again. So are you going to wall yourself in and play it safe so you don't get hurt? Or are you going to stand up and remember you have a pair and realise there's far worse things than a broken fucken heart and give people a chance. You won't, because I'm getting sense of the kind of person you are, but, you'd do pretty well to ask yourself what you have to lose by letting people in, especially women. For all your high brow talk and reasoning, all I see is another chicken shit too scared of getting hurt. It's OK though bro, been there myself too. I can't articulate myself nearly as well as the other fine folk on this forum can, I guess what I'm getting at is the question for you to ponder is: are you're choosing your life style because it's really what you want and feel, or are you're just too lazy or scared to try an alternative. Only you can answer that, for yourself, and you sure as shit don't have to justify it to anyone else. But the talk you've come here with, man, it's obvious you're not justifying it to us, because I can tell you couldn't give a shit what we think, you're justifying it to you. Spend enough times in forums and you soon realise that most of the time people aren't seeking advise or discussion, they're seeking affirmation of their own position. If there's one thing I've come to learn, someone who knows themselves well and what they're doing doesn't justify themselves to anyone, especially themselves. |
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You are human male just like me, levite. The way your brain functions, the way your body functions, and the way your penis functions is not different than mine. This "spiritual" crap you spin on this forum is all well-acted theater. You are not that different from me. The only difference between me and you is that you are playing a very elaborate game, and I am telling the truth about the way the world actually functions. So you have surrounded yourself with other delusional people who buy into your spiritual crap. You are a salesman making up pretty stories, and they are all buying it. In the end you are still engaging in persuasion and manipulation, its just that your game is wrapped up in pretty packaging. You have totally lost your ability to verbalize your sexual preferences. And even if you still retained such ability, you would never admit them out loud, because that would disturb the mythological plot you are spinning among the people you manipulate. But we enlightened people are on a healthy spiritual path to lift humanity up to the... No. Anymore of that crap will be ignored. If you don't like it, get hell out of this thread. ---------- Post added at 03:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:53 PM ---------- Quote:
I would assume that you are not very concerned with your own sexual desires and preferences, you probably could not articulate them. Or you have never really thought about it. You may be perfectly satisfied with "hooking up" with a nice girl from your workplace. If that is what you like, go do it. If you are into the girl next door, genuinely, go for it. But that is not satisfying for everyone. In my case it is not even desirable. I don't see any indication from your posts that you take the position of levite and company. I think those people would self-flagellate in order to maintain a relationship. They would maintain the relationship no matter what, even if both parties are miserable. They would suffer through it. They do what they do and I'm not in their universe. They are on some sort of spiritual journey or some shit. I'd like to get an idea of where you stand on that, or any other thoughts would be fine too. |
If you'd like others to hear what you're saying, have you ever considered sharing a piece of yourself?
The difference between you and a majority of TFP posters is that we bare, although not necessarily in photos, a bit of ourselves to one another. We share pieces of who we are and what makes us tick. You, however, have chosen to jump in and create a huge splash, but you didn't tell us you had tentacles. Maybe if we knew more about you and your past, we wouldn't them so odd. |
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When I was very young, 11 years old. A cat with milky fur fell in the well in my home. It was alive and we rescued it. I still remember so clear how scared the cat was and how it reacted at us. May be it hardly understood that we are actually helping it. We rescued it for two reasons. One to help the cat to get out. Two if it stays in and dies the water will be spoiled. I understood this clearly.
Next year a cat fell in a well nearby. It was an abandoned well in a empty plot. We were playing outside and heard the sound. We saw the cat inside. The well had no water. When I thought no one would bother.... The same set of folks gathered and we all tried to rescue the cat. Then we just realized this one is a wild cat. I thought we are going to abandon the effort. But no, the rescue continued. By the time we managed to get it close to the surface, we all backed off significant as the cat was furious at us. To till date I wonder why we rescued the second cat. Reading this thread I got so much reminded of the second cat, the wild one. |
When I read these two paragraphs written by Makhnov,
I'm hearing a sales pitch & recruiting language: "I am here to find other men who travel for the purposes of buying services. I am active on a variety of other forums related to that. All of this subject matter must be brought up in attempt to highlight those men who are sympathetic of the message, and to inoculate the conversation of fathers and other romantics." "I want to bring you guys a little bit behind the curtain of this business. Know that the vast majority of the girls you are looking at are from eastern europe. I guess I could ask you guys how long you expect to "look at the catalog" before taking some assertive action in your life in the direction of what you like." I agree with mixedmedia that prostitution should be taken out of the hands of criminals. Hopefully, by legalizing it, there will be some guards in place to protect sex workers from those such as Makhnov, that spew this gender hatred so freely. ---------- Post added at 02:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:03 PM ---------- I should do some more reading on how Canada is faring with protecting their sex workers. It's a subject I'm not that familiar with. ---------- Post added at 02:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:06 PM ---------- Oh....and this paragraph is a fine prime example of a pathetic, not so subtle attempt at 'forced teaming': "You are human male just like me, levite. The way your brain functions, the way your body functions, and the way your penis functions is not different than mine. This "spiritual" crap you spin on this forum is all well-acted theater. You are not that different from me. The only difference between me and you is that you are playing a very elaborate game, and I am telling the truth about the way the world actually functions." |
People who can't answer a straight question are very annoying. So in lieu of actual information I can only assume that this gentleman wants to fuck young eastern European girls legally and without any kind of commitment. And you know, that doesn't bother me in the slightest. Folks could talk all day about that shit because it's titillating and its interesting.
What sticks in my craw, so to speak, are his vague comments about there being 'no moral code' and 'other cultures are different' which left to my own devices is code for, 'yeah, I know some of these girls are underage, I know some of these girls have been forced into prostitution, but damn, I love fucking 'em so much.' Which, of course, is something only a scumbag would think and I don't give a fuck where you come from or where you are. Just a few simple words would clear it all up, but I'm not going to hold my breath. |
I'm hearing the same things that ring and mixedmedia are hearing. Also, Makhnov writes as a "true believer/prophet", and I doubt anything we could say to him would change his mindset.
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I absolutely believe you when you tell me you believe in nothing, and have no idea what I mean by spiritual integrity. Clearly you have been living in an environment so toxic that the usual human empathy and spirituality and desires to love and be loved in return have been aggressively trampled and buried somewhere deep within you, if they have not been cut out of you altogether. You must have been terribly, terribly hurt by the people around you. It seems very unlikely that you will ever feel safe enough to open up, and look within yourself, to try and come to terms with how you have been hurt, and what it has done to you. That kind of safety will surely not come on the internet. I also doubt that there is anything that I could say that you would listen to. But on the off chance that I am wrong, I will offer you a bit of free and sympathetic advice. Take some of the money that you're spending on prostitutes, and spend it on a good therapist instead. You need to do some serious inner work, friend. For your own good, if not for the good of those who come in contact with you. Because I assure you, what I am saying is no game; nor should words like spirituality, soul, empathy, and love be meaningless to you, or symbols of some sort of weakness or illusion. Our spirituality, our souls, our empathy for others, our desires to love and be loved by others-- these are the things that make us human beings, that raise us at all above the most savage of animals. Without these qualities, humans become worse than any animal, for while animals attack, kill, mate by force, and devour one another merely out of instinct, and genetic desire for survival, humans without spirituality, empathy, and love are remorseless, pitiless, full of greed, and eager to trample any who get in the way of satisfying their own basest urges. Whoever caused you the pain that you are in must have been such people. But I urge you not to follow their example. What you fear is actually your greatest strength. |
I think what you need to understand, levite, is that the modus operandi - the imperious attitude, the conviction that he inhabits a higher plane of consciousness unsullied by the basic nature exhibited by most other humans on the planet, the quite common hatred of women that is coupled with an equally passionate need to fuck them, the glamorization of paying for sex with, ehem, beautiful, young, Eastern European Hegre models - all of this plays into the gratification that he receives from his sex life. And his sex life is what is paramount in his life because he is sexually compulsive. Which is fine, you know. God forbid he does ever get the chance to fuck up some woman's life, lol.
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It's as if the majority of this forum's members think in 10s while the OP thinks in repetitions of 6. It's a different worldview. Deal with it, think it through. Don't reflexively resort to 'misogyny' rhetoric. I'm surprised a forum that talks about fucking siblings, submission, exhibitionism has so much difficulty with someone who wants to pay for sex through and through. |
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The OP made it clear---and even used an enumerated list---that he thinks prostitution is a preferred alternative to merciless interrogation from aggressively insulting, randomly sarcastic, manipulative, man-destroying baby-makers that treat men cruelly to test their compatibility and endurance for a relationship, which will invariably lead to tests of loyalty based on some form of mind-reading witchcraft, and that her trickery knows no bounds and will even go as far as to default men's behaviour as "dangerous" as a way to force him to prove otherwise with the result being his exposing his every secret whilst she reveal none of her own. This, being the natural state of women and their desire for baby-making man-enslavement---and this makes prostitution, of course, a kind of emancipation. Prostitution is emancipation itself. Oh, and then the OP proceeded to attack the majority of responses not as opinions but as self-deceptions worthy of scorn if not ridicule. There's a difference. And I haven't even mentioned the blatant use of presumptions. I should add, as a statement that summarizes my thoughts on this thread: this is one of those threads we get every so often that has the odd status of being simultaneously misogynist and misandric. I guess to that extent, it's misanthropic. Levite's most recent post is enlightening on the matter. |
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Nice try, though. :thumbsup: I have a little under 30 relevant links. Many of them are not in english. Links will only be sent in private message to people who are genuinely interested. |
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The above responses to the OP should be expected from a community which ostensibly defines itself by an openness to sexuality because the opinions expressed in the OP are the very opposite of sexual openness. |
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But I guess I just feel bad for him. And believe me, I am not suggesting you should feel the same. If nothing else, I presume that it is in some degree a privilege of maleness that I have the luxury of being able to put aside the distaste I feel for what the OP is saying, and focus on the compassion I feel for a man who has been so grievously wounded. I don't know that I could do the same if I were a woman. But I guess for me, this kind of also pushes a professional button. I'm not the kind of rabbi for whom pastoral counseling is a career focus and true calling; but sometimes when it's right there...well, that's part of my responses. And in some degree, I admit my compassion is based partly in the "there but for the grace of God go I" phenomenon. Because to some tiny extent, the OP is right in that, deep down in the hindbrain of all males lives the entirely selfish, savage, unrelenting desire for purely physical sexual pleasure, regardless of the expense to others. That's part and parcel of the reptilian primal drives that run our most animalistic brain. But it's the part of us that countless centuries of socialization and education and psychological work have wrested control from, and layered over with ethics, morality, empathy, and all the other things I mentioned to the OP. I don't like what the OP says, or where he is coming from. But I respect its power: this is man, stripped, in some way, of civilization. And I pity him. |
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The point that I was making sailed over your head. Let me ra-hash it again so that maybe it will sink in a second time. This website hosts the trading of nude photography. The girls in those photos are being payed to strip naked and have cameras shoved between their legs. Money is exchanging hands. The point was that such business is not alien to prostitution. I keep making these points because what I'm trying to communicate to you is that the world at large does not really contain all these mental divisions and distinctions you hold dear. These divisions and distinctions are being used by you to beat me over the head on an internet forum. Each business man decides on his own to be coercive with the girls he is working with. He makes the decision on the ground about whether he is going to abusive. It is your television screen that tells you there is an "epidemic". But all the trials and suffering of people only happen in local social settings. Even these so-called "guards" that you say are needed to protect the girls don't exist. We are their guards. I am her guard. (Let me whisper a little secret about the world that you didn't know, mixedmedia, just between me and you. Every man around every woman is her guard. It matters not whether he is her father, a policeman, a pimp, or a club owner. All men make decisions about how they treat the girls around them.) Having said that, many of the posts in this thread are really flame-war baiting. Because I said the word "overseas" your suburbanite brain immediately began accusing me of engaging in coerced trafficking of the unwilling. That was wrong. That was naive. And that was slanderous. The widespread accusation of "misogyny" is also part-and-parcel of this flame-war tactic. (i.e. If you yell "misogyny" enough times, people will start believing that I am out to hurt someone.) If you read what my posts actually say, you will see that you have no reason at all to be freaking out, pulling your hair, and running in circles to protect someone from monsters. ---------- Post added at 03:06 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:57 AM ---------- Quote:
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The question is what did you come here for? What do you expect to read as responses to your posts? If your intent is, in part, to educate us blind souls about the dangers and futility of interpersonal relationships with women, as you've seemed to indicate, why then do you persist in such education when the students aren't receptive to your revealed wisdom? What do you hope to accomplish here? Is this sufficiently plain? |
I guess you don't have a mother, aunt, or a sister. Maybe you don't even have female friends or colleagues. A wild guess, but if you are as misogynistic as you post, you're truly a devolved individual.
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The question you didn't answer was: why are you here, why is our approval so important? But you answered it already, I see, when you stated that you were looking for new members for your group. So I guess the vibrant defense has been more about keeping appearances up for the uninitiated than a personal endeavor.
I am sorry that I have been acerbic the last couple of posts, I admit that I have been, but in my own defense it has been mostly w. tongue in cheek...you do make it so easy. You seem to take such pleasure in being inflammatory and tweaking people's noses. Asserting your authority. You know, if you have something to say about 'the real world' of sex tourism then stop tap dancing and just say it. It would be much more interesting than all of this garbage. For instance, you don't want to be called a misogynist. Why not? You seem to have no positive regard for women. Their very nature seems menacing the way you describe it. Hell, the way you describe them, I think I would hate them...if it were true. Is this extreme avoidance of relationships and distrust of women common among 'sex tourists'? Is it often a motivating factor? What is the prevailing attitude amongst sex tourists about sexual slavery and forced prostitution? Is there a sensitivity to it or is it an 'eh, shit happens' kind of thing? You can tell me that it is over-hyped and I wouldn't necessarily argue with you. But there are places in the world where 'sex tourism' occurs and we know that the numbers of young men and women who are underage and/or in the business against their will is significant. Southeast Asia and Eastern Europe being particularly 'hot.' You take great umbrage at people assuming 'bad' things about you, so obviously you want to be seen as an upright person. Maybe even moral. Or am I wrong? Also, I understand your comparison of prostitution to pornography, but I don't think anyone here is taking exception to legal prostitution nor are they saying you don't have the right to live your life as you see fit. I understand that a lot of women in porn are there for doubtful reasons, that's not a revelation. I'm certainly not surprised to know the same is true for nude models because I spent the better part of a year on the fringes of that subculture and have seen and heard some pretty wild shit from my lady comrades - some of them obviously strung out on drugs and their lives a nightmare of dysfunction. Then there were others who seemed totally centered and professional. Same goes for the women I have met in strip clubs. I've no doubt that in the places where prostitution is legal, the demographics between fucked up and happily raking in the dough is about the same among prostitutes. What's more, as long as they are there by choice, it isn't anyone else's business what their personal life is like. Nor is it a paying customer's job to fix it for them. I guess that's all I have to say about that. I suppose it's a little disjointed. Lastly your claim that all men are guardians of women is complete and utter bullshit. If you believe that then you really have a screw loose. |
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I remember guys like this, from my time in Prague.
The skeezy Russian gangster with the off-kilter faux-Chicago accent on Vaclavske Namesti or Wilsonova who offers you "young girls, man...-nice- girls!" assuring you that they love the "work" and will show you a "real good time, my man!" while the girls shoot you that "Oh for God's sake not -another- one!" Amphetamine stare and try to hide the bruises. Actually, he reminds me more of the Sexpats transiting through and trying to score a little Roma pussy before they head for Thailand or Ukraine. Nevermind the fact that while Roma girls are introduced to sex in their early Teens, the experience of prostitution is unbearably humiliating for them: this'd be why so many of Prague's urban Roma women kept getting peeled off the walls of subway tunnels and scraped off the pilings of Charles Bridge and Most Legii, or found with their bellies eaten away by Lye or battery acid. These guys always seemed to be looking for "friends" to either join them or just validate them, someone to tell them that what they were doing was perfectly fine and that the girl's struggles, pained whimpers, and total lack of lubrication were -actually- signs of arousal. Guys like that used to show up in my neighborhood pub from time to time, trying to pick up people's daughters or wax poetic about the quality of the Junior-High School pussy thereabouts. I can't remember one of that sort ever leaving under his own power. Once fellow came up to me at the bar bragging about his "extreme" porno with "sweet, fresh girls, man, -young- girls, you get me?" I am proud of very few acts of violence in my lifetime, but driving my elbow into his eye-socket was one of them. Here's the thing: girls/women in certain cultures are raised to what we would consider an "early" sexuality. For Roma or Hmong girls, for instance, early marriage and sexual activity is expected and even celebrated under certain circumstances. Being forced or paid to give themselves to somebody like our OP, however, who obviously hates them and regards them as nothing but a nice warm hole to fuck and treat as he likes, as bereft of emotions or affect, deprived of even a sense of mutual fun and enjoyment? That's a totally different animal. It's the difference between good old fashioned fornication and Rape. Switters and Bad Bobby Case, their liking for too-young ladies included, would have understood the difference: so would Erroll Fuckin' Flynn. |
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You're right about one thing, I'm not very concerned with my own sexual desires or preferences. I can, however, articulate my desires extremely well, that you'll just have to trust me on. Thing is, your life style that you describe, while I lay no judgment on your choice to have sex with prostitutes while you figure yourself out, it's really just masturbation. You don't really give a shit about the person you're having sex with, you're just getting your rocks off. But hey, that's faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more preferable in my eyes than some of the disgusting, low down douche bag tactics I've seen some narcissists use to get people into bed so they can have sex with themselves. You and I quite obviously perceive reality very differently which is just part of the magic of being human. However, I can see that nothing is going to shake your perception, so I believe I'll leave it there. |
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I think it is clear that your first priority in life is pleasing your Female Master. Perhaps after you die you will be reborn as a dog. A little dog... that yaps. |
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