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What Makes a "Slut" a Slut?
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First of all, let me say, "Hello"--I used to be very active here at TFP several years ago, and on a lark decided to come back. I'm looking forward to rejoining this community. Anyways, something has been on my mind a bit recently--the question of "slutiness". As a bit of background, I'm a 24-year-old single gal who's had three serious relationships, a few "minor" relationships, and a fair bit of casual sex. (usually in the months immediately after said serious relationships) So anyhow, I'm wondering--what makes a slut? Is it a number of partners? Or is an attitude towards sexual relationships? Does it correlate to how long he/she has known his/her partner, or does it correlate to the connection they feel with this person? And also: does sluttiness matter to you? Do you mind if other people think of you as a slut? Do you mind if your partner leans towards slutty? Personally, I tend to think of sluttiness in terms of numbers rather than attitude, but I've definitely known people who tend to think of it in the opposite way. That being said, a little sluttiness doesn't bother me....I'm sure by a lot of standards my own "magic number" or my attitude towards sex is considered slutty....but by others, I'm sure I look downright innocent. I suppose sluttiness is in the eye of the beholder. :) I welcome your opinions, and look forward to getting to know y'all better. Kisses, Sabrina |
A tart seeps with everyone.
A slut sleeps with everyone but me. |
I have a pretty relaxed view when it comes to sex. I've slept with way more then my fair share of women.
But I don't think of myself as a slut or being slutty. I'm sure some people would. My ex did. She thought I was slutty cause I liked porn. She had problems with sex. I've been basically single since February. Yes, I did date someone for about two months but I'm not counting that. And since February I've slept with 5 different people. And 2 that I had slept with before my 4 year relationship. So 7 people total. I don't know what my actual "magic number" is. I know it's over 100. Lets say, 130. So 130 in 11 years. That's about 12 a year. Holy shit... I am a slut... |
I've always understood a slut to be someone who is so constantly controlled by their desire and lust that it usually outweighs everything else. It is about mentality, a mentality which usually leads to having many partners. And for the record, I don't really have any problem with having alot of casual relationships.
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Meh. The concept of a slut was invented by someone who was clearly insecure about the intercourses.
It will take an highly organized movement composed of only the most dedicated sluts to reclaim the word. |
*wave* Hey, I remember you. I'm back after a long break as well...welcome back!
From what I can tell, it means vastly different things to different people. A group of friends and I discussed this a few years ago, and one of the guys had an answer I really liked, going along with the "it's about attitude, not numbers" ... if a girl just enjoys sex, she's not a slut. If she's having all kinds of sex to try and validate herself, or to prove her worth or whatever, that makes her a slut. ...not sure how realistic that is, and I know not everyone thinks that way. Another friend thinks it's only about the numbers, but that being a slut isn't a bad thing. In the past, I've measured "sluttiness" differently for different people, and I've really tried to rein that in. It definitely annoys me when women use sex (or sex appeal) to get what they want, but I'm not as quick to judge that as slutty. As for me... it doesn't really bother me what people think. My mom thinks I'm a total slut because I'm not married to the person I'm having regular, exclusive sex with. My friends and boyfriend think I just really like sex. (which is true.) At the end of the day, it comes down to how I feel about my choices (past as well as present), and I've realized that's true about other people, too. So much that I've pretty much eliminated "slut" from my vocabulary. |
Oh hey, I didn't notice that the OP was a prodigal tfper. Must be the season.
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I think that definition is very dependent on who you're asking. For instance, I tend to have many casual relationships and few serious ones. I've been called a slut and a whore, but I don't believe I'm either. I don't really judge people based on sexuality so I don't have a real definition of a slut but I suppose it would be someone that sleeps with whomever s/he wants without caring about the consequences.
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"Slut" is a derogatory label intended to instill shame rooted in the idea that a woman shouldn't be sexual. Of course both genders if our species are intended to be sexual and puritanical attitudes towards sex can lead to a dysfunctional relationship with sexuality.
Most women have a sex drive. And World's King is a bit of a slut, yet. |
A slut is a woman who sleeps around a lot.
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Men--and I suppose women, too--make "sluts." It's a construction. |
I see it in terms of control. When one sleeps with a man (read as any man) attempting to prove something to herself, she's a slut.
When she sleeps with a man (or 500 men) just because she desired them, she's just a woman. :p Been both. :lol: |
Lady in public and a whore in bed, thats all I ask.
That doesn't make her a slut. |
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See I don't know if I believe that, it would depend on the reasoning behind her actions - if she was doing it to prove something to herself, well I know alot of girls who do have somewhat dysfunctional views on sex and do that but I don't consider them 'slutty' because of it. Sure I wish they didn't see their self worth in terms of how many men find them sexually attractive but I don't think less of them for doing so. Maybe it is the view towards the consequences of their actions or even whether they control their sexuality or their sexuality controlling them (certifiable nymphomaniacs are obviously excluded on this one) that would influence my views more. I definitely don't think that it's a number thing - I can remember some guy on here (sorry I can't remember the post) saying that he didn't think he could ever have a meaningful relationship with a woman who had had more then three sexual partners because he would view her as a "slut". So is that the predetermined number between "slut" and "non-slut"? Or does some mystical even occur when a woman / man has slept with a certain amount of people? Far as I know it doesn't. Then again I have never used the term "slut" in my life. I guess I just don't think of people that way, then again I made almost $100 an hour at my second job last night which is pretty close to being paid to "slut" around. |
This is how I've perceived it, being around the bar & club industry/scene:
SLUT- A female who seeks attention through sexuality- looks, dressing to show enough to tease, flirting a lot, and 'flying' around. They usually tend to have a snotty attitude towards other females. They want the spotlight. I guess there is different levels to sluttiness, but it's not that the female necessarily sleeps around, she just wants the feeling of being wanted. WHORE is a female who sleeps around. She doesn't have to do much, just persuade a guy to sleep with her then go to the next one. The 'bicycle'. They are sluts that don't know how to say 'No'. JERK, ASSHOLE, PRICK any of those words could be used to describe a guy who uses women. Seeming all great and charming, get you in bed, then blowing you off. I wouldn't call them a male slut. |
Thank you all for the interesting responses!
One thing i've noticed--no mention of the man-sluts. Most responses have referred only to females. I'm not judging, or even really offering any explanations for this, but it is something I'll be rolling around in my head for a bit. Love, Sabrina |
I'm a man-whore.
Or do you mean the attitude towards promiscuity in men vs. women? The double-standard? |
Well, there's self-perception (your self-confessed status as a man-whore), double standards, AND power differentials stuck in my head right now. Are women branded as sluts (and not men) because they are the ones that often make the ultimate decision as to whether or not to engage in sex?
I'm just rattling it around right now, I hardly think I have any definitive answers. |
It's gendered.
A man being a slut sounds as odd as a woman being a prick. |
I'm with Baraka.
I think words have power. That power is almost always contextual. In this case, gendered. |
A definition for manwhore/slut that I heard in my Navy (never again volunteer yourself) days was mentioned in a conversation between two guys in my shop who both fit that definition by their ready admission - they said if you had slept with more people than your age.
There were girls on the ship who fit many people's perception of the word, or the "slept with every member of the football team" kind of thing. But that is a radically different environment from most civillian locales. When you have 5,000 people out to sea for months at a time interesting things can happen. One young girl jumped off the smoking area which was midships because she was pregnant with a married man's baby. Fast way to go with 30 ton screws churning in the water Another couple caught doing things on the catwalk - which is directly below the flightdeck in the open - was forced to call their respective spouses that very same day by the XO. I saw sunlight every 3-4 days (that deep purple water out in the middle of the Atlantic is beautiful), constantly smelled like sweat and diesel fuel, and still knew of more than a few storerooms that would have been much more private places. <end reminiscing/threadjack> edit: nice Avatar Sabrina, that original film is a classic - the remake is just there without the same feel or power. |
For me sluttiness not about numbers, it’s about selectivity. When I first became sexually active –at fifteen- I was a slut. I didn’t care who, I’d do just about any guy, man or boy, that wanted to, and it didn’t take long for the word to get around.:paranoid:
A few years ago when I was journaling I came up with about thirty different partners during my sophomore and junior years in high school, (I probably missed some) and I was with many of those more than once. Mostly guys from school, but a few “older guys” (When you're sixteen, a twenty-five year old is an "older guy") too, including one who kept saying he knew he shouldn’t be doing it with me.:shakehead: Even now, fifteen years later, when I visit my hometown I can still count on seeing guys that I screwed “back when.” But what made me a slut was that I did it not because I wanted to, but just because THEY wanted to. Also, it’s not about what kind of sex. When I look back at it, what I did in my slutty teen years was really pretty tame. Just hand jobs, sucking, ordinary fucking, titty fucking. One guy at a time, though sometime more than one the same night. Later on, I got more selective and more adventurous at the same time. But I don’t see liking a variety of sex acts as slutty, just interesting and fun, although I’ve tried things that I don’t care to (and won’t) do again. If I do it 'cause I like to, or 'cause I like to "try anything once," that’s just good sex.:thumbsup: If I was willing to do any act with anybody, just ‘cause THEY wanted to, that would be being a slut.:thumbsdown: When I was in my mid twenties I spent a couple of years working as a stripper. It's ironic indeed that I had more slutty sex when I was a goodie two shoes high school student than while making gobs of money shaking my tits in public.:shakehead: That’s the way I see it. Lindy Quote:
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To me I guess, the number of partners a person has is their own business.
However if a person acts overly "sexual" in the wrong public context - such as at formal events, family, or work events, then I view that negatively. I guess I think of that behaviour as silly. I wouldn't use the term "slut". That's much too harsh in terms of connotation. |
A woman who is a wife, mother who lived with one and only man in her life still can be a slut. Imagine she is that one hot girl who will suddenly seduce her husband and make love to him while it is dangerous to be caught by thier own children, or co-passengers, or neighbors or strangers. The desire, the initiation, the lead, the risk, some sense of untimely, the joy.... all together can make her a slut. And the man may helplessly enjoy that and treasure her!
It doesnt matter what I think. The dictionary means goes something like this "If a man or woman doesnt restrict his/her sexual behavior to one person, then he/she is a slut." Interesting... |
It's a word I find fascinating. While people define it differently and each person feels differently about those who they feel fit the label, its use says nothing about the person about whom it is said and everything about who says it.
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What makes a slut a slut? Some asshole calling them one. People can fuck as little or as much as they want fo rall I care. :)
Check out "He's a Stud, She's A Slut" for good reading on the topic, if you're interested. |
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I tried to make it clear in my post that I was using the term slut to describe three persons: me, myself, and I. And only at a certain time in my past. My behavior, by my own definition, fit the label at that time. Does that say nothing about Lindy the slut, and everything about Lindy the poster? How does that say more about me (the poster) than about me (the so-labeled?) Does it make me an asshole if I use that term to describe my own behavior? Lindy Recovering Slut (But I still like sex:)) |
I'm a cheese slut. Any cheese around, it's mine.
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A woman who sleeps with anyone for there pleasure and not for her own is a real slut.
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Defining a slut reminds me of trying to define pornography or art. To paraphrase & butcher famous quotes regarding pornography and art:
I can't tell you what a slut is, but I know one when I see one. |
If history is any indicator, dating me apparently...
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"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that." |
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... Women just got it bad. In the biological baseball game: they catch, we throw. |
I'd say a slut is someone who uses sex as a tool. Either to raise her self esteem temporarily, or because there is some material benefit to her actions. She is using the sex as a temporary emotional bandage, or because she can get something (other than pleasure or loving relationship) out of it.
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In my opinion, a slut is a woman who is not a lady. And that sounds absolutely horrible, but it's really not.
I don't care if a woman sleeps around a lot. I don't care if a woman has a different partner every night of her adult life. I don't even care if she TALKS about it. What defines sluttiness for me is how she carries herself. If she has sex because she enjoys it, great. If she has sex because she thinks it gives her some kind of power or earns her respect? That's a slut. If a woman feels that the only way to be sexual and sexy is to wear shorts up her ass crack and tops that show almost the entire tit, nevermind cleavage? That's a slut (hell, thinking that being "sexy" is all about clothes and appearance is stupid bordering on slutty). To me, sluts set the rest of womankind back. They're the ones who still attempt to use their "sexual wiles" to get what they want, who think fucking a man is a way to earn his love or respect, or to control him. If all you want out of a fuck is an orgasm, then fuck on, sister. You make the world a better place. |
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a slut, to me, is a person who enjoys sex and isn't afraid to use their sexuality for their advantage. personally, i find sluts to be rather attractive. i just read "the ethical slut" which is a book about polyamorous relationships and find myself very intrigued... i love the concept of freedom, independence, sexual awareness/confidence, etc. that a "slut" exudes. i wish i could reclaim the deragotory slut and embrace it in my life!
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I rarely use the term slut. I'm always going around saying "skank" and "whore".
As for what I do think a slut is, I'd say its some girl (never a woman, and that's in behavior, not age wise) who sees herself only as a sex object, and give herself or even offers herself to any guy. When I was in college, I worked with a girl in a CD store who took flirting with the male co-workers too far. She grinded the guys right there in the middle of the store, she hung all over them, doing anything to keep their attention on her. Years later, when I graduated and went out in the real world, I worked with another girl who wanted guys to see her as a sex object. She bragged to them about how she made out with other girls, grinded a guy on the dance floor during the holiday party. She also had a smug, I'm better than you attitude that someone in this thread attributed to sluttiness. So, that is my definition of sluttiness. A girl who treats herself as a sex object and not with self-respect. |
along with a lot of other socially charged words, slut has a slippery meaning between regions, age groups, and lifestyles. There are some consistent traits to it though...
- It's a judgement dropped on someone else. it's pretty much never a self-proclaimed badge of pride. -It's never a compliment... there's no good way to take it. even if someone is strong and defiant about being labelled, it's never a title they would have sought. -It's a strongly charged word. usually the speaker is very upset. That said, the source of outrage that inspires it is generally different from man to woman. A woman drops it when she feels socially cheated of the interest or attentions of a rival romantic interest... and a guy usually goes to it when they want to comfort their ego after being rejected. |
A slut will with sleep with anyone, a whore will sleep with anyone but you. There was many different forms of that quote, just thought I'd throw my own in there.
I basically agreeing with those who have posted above me that it is attitude that defines it, I have a friend that was like Lindy who later on in life "reformed" herself. She slept with people because it filled a hole that was left when her first husband cheated on her and threw her away. She was lost and used sex to make herself feel better and feel like someone wanted her if not for a few hours. She to this day definded herself as a "slut" during that time in her life. She doesn't do that now, she is hopelessly attached to one guy that she has a child with. She didn't do because she liked sex (which she does), she did it because it made her feel "whole". As for myself, I'm a guy who wishes he could have more sex that he is having. I do feel a quick stab of jealousy when I see my friends hook up with more girls that I could possibly get without even trying. That may a be a gender difference between girls and guys on that issue, (most) guys want to be the guy that hooks up with a different girl each night and have girls fighting over them. I don't claim to know how women feel about friends that hook up with guys every night, but I would like to hear about it. |
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so following from that, use would be determinate. preparations second. so it is with all aspects, i suppose. |
I prefer the term trollop. It's got that olde worlde charm.
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<< wishes he could "meet" a slut
ok I'm kidding haha - I agree with the people who say its just a negative connotation said by people who jealous of the amount of sex said person is getting haha |
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I wouldn't want someone who has been fucking around. Would you? thats all you gotta ask yourself, really. I dont fuck around either, even though its really tempting sometimes. Just don't get an STD... |
As usual most of the attempts at defining a 'slut' are vague, most likely based on specious observation and mean-spirited. Might as well say: 'a slut is a woman I don't like because <insert random judgment on objectional behavior performed by person with vagina here>'
Not that I don't have my own judgments...for instance, I am really turned off by people who describe women as sluts in a derogatory way and I will instantly make a judgment on them and their worldview. So I understand the compulsion to jump to conclusions. I am a slut. I like the word. It conjures up wonderful, joyous ideas for me. It's an attitude I like and I take no little amount of self-satisfaction from it. How I choose to inhabit it is no one's business but my own. ************** This is quite delicious...I must incorporate it into something. :) b. In playful use, or without serious imputation of bad qualities. 1664 PEPYS Diary 21 Feb., Our little girl Susan is a most admirable slut, and pleases us mightily. 1678 BUNYAN Pilgr. I. 112 As the Mother cries out against her Child in her lap, when she calleth it Slut and naughty Girl, and then falls to hugging and kissing it. 1710-1 SWIFT Lett. (1767) III. 79 Ah! you're a wheedling slut, you be so. 1740-2 RICHARDSON Pamela III. 207 Well did the dear Slut describe the Passion I struggled with. 1846 LANDOR Imag. Conv. I. 233 Nanny, thou art a sweet slut. 1884 GORDON Jrnls. (1885) 115 Why the black sluts would stone me if they thought I meditated such action. transf. 1862 THACKERAY Philip xiii, You see I gave my cousin this dog,..and the little slut remembers me. |
I'm confused about what a slut is because I've had traumatic sexual experiences when I was young and not so young and now I have great difficulty deciding what is or is not an appropriate sexual urge. For all I know Minnie Mouse is a slut.
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I always thought of a slut as someone who makes a habit out of having sex with, or attempting to have sex with, other people's SO's just to see if she can. A home wrecker, if you will. Especially if she has her own SO (which would also make her a cheat).
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It's usually a name taken out when someone steps over the line with the unwritten rules of picking up partners. |
What I don't get is, a person can, for instance, buy 50 pairs of shoes a year or get $20,000 worth of plastic surgery or spend literally hundreds of hours a year playing video games and the like wth nary a raised eyebrow. But sleep with "too many" people or for the "wrong reasons" and not only is your character questioned but your self-worth and even your sanity. There are all sorts of reasons for why people do any manner of 'abnormal' things. It's the sex. After all the talk and the books and the movies and the porn, people still feel ambivalent about the morality of sexual freedom.
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To me, slut (female or male) = desperate promiscuity. Of course what qualifies as deperate promiscuity is open to debate.
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Great responses, everyone. This is the biggest thread I've ever started, I'm rather proud to see my "baby" take on a life of its own. :-) |
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Well, no. I don't. I think they are all complicated and are all indicative of certain obsessive personality dysfunctions. But I do not think that any of them, in and of themselves (including sexual promiscuity), indicate anything in general about a person's character, about their ability to function reasonably in the world, or their suitability as a friend or lover. That's not to say that I am not a proponent of responsibility. I believe people should practice safe sex. I believe that people should be good and kind to each other and not knowingly interfere with committed relationships. I believe people should be careful in choosing sexual partners and scenarios, etc, etc. But I don't think indulging in these things has anything to do with being a slut. I don't understand why sexual irresponsibility has to have its own stigma and its own name. In my opinion, it betrays a discomfort with sexuality, particularly a woman's sexuality, that irks me. Especially here, where so many people come to see women be sluttish inside a little box. Inside the little box they are hot, outside of the little box they are sluts who aren't good enough to love. Granted, I realize that the word has been used to indicate what it indicates for a long time. I just disagree with it and I wish we could get past it. |
Bingo, my lady...you said it so well.
"Especially here, where so many people come to see a woman be sluttish inside a little box. Inside the little box they are hot, outside the little box they are sluts who aren't good enough to love." Wow, woman...thank you. |
Only prudes believe in sluttiness. ;) Honestly though, my opinion of what's "excessively promiscuous" depends on the situation - a person who has slept with the majority of a single social group would probably seem slutty to me, whereas someone who had slept with the same number of people in the same timeframe but weren't a part of the same group would not seem to be (so to analyze myself, I suppose I have problems with people who mess with social contracts, as someone who sleeps with an entire group of friends likely would be doing). Also, sleeping with multiple people in separate instances on the same day pretty much guarantees ones sluttiness.
In regard to why sexual promiscuity is a bigger deal (to me) than other types of excessive behaviour, the issue is twofold: one, it is nice to feel at least a tiny bit "special" when in the position of having sexual relations with someone (even the smallest bit, like being the person they're most attracted to out of a nightclub full of people) rather than just being a glorified masturbatory aid, and the second part being that, as safe as one attempts to be, the more partners one engages with, the greater the likelihood of picking up an STD. The latter part is generally not a major concern, but it still exists on the periphery. |
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I think that's exactly right...I think women get the brand "slut" because the popular conception and in a way the truth is that women have a lot more control/power over having sex then the man does in today's society...Any single guy would sleep with any decent looking single girl...What I mean is for the majority of men (between 16-28ish) the basic attitude is to "get it where you can" so this mindset leaves the women the choice to give it to him and if they do that to much people who she hasnt brand her a slut. |
someone who talks about sex all the time and people who sleep with different people all the time. they usually are attractive but not all the time.
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I also believe it has a lot of it has to do with your mentality. I once knew a bisexual nymphomaniac, but she had a lot of daddy issues. Her father died when she was young, her brother was in the Army, and consequently she really had no strong male role model in her life. I don't think she slept around because she thought it was cool or anything like that, it was just her way of coping with her own psychological traumas.
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Girls who tell people I jizzed in my pants are total SLUTS!!!!
Sorry, couldn't resists!!!!!!!!! |
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Look at all the eys drawn to a short skirt. Women, men, anyone with a pulse. Tanned legs, or milky white legs running long to the ground, a tiny little tilt forward will reveal a perfect little ass. Her midriff is bare, her belly pierced.
If thats a slut i want me some. Seriously, who are we to judge someone elses turn ons. Whatever the reason they are seeking it. So what if they use sex to validate theselves. We all have sex for many different reasons, and our lifes goals and personal experiences will shift that reason again and again over the course of your lives. To say anyone has sex for the wrong reasons, and thus should not partake is like saying that one shouldnt drink wine unless one has a well trained pallete. Sex is a pleasure many of us can whatever our reasons. If a woman im with like to feel slutty, if feeling slutty makes her feel sexy, and makes me feel sexy then I think its being completey untrue tooneself not to enjoy he energy and tension that it brings. |
Is she consistently sexually unfaithful to her SO in relationships? If so I would think it's accurate to refer to her as a slut (it's still not a nice thing to call someone).
A male who does the same thing as I mention above is a dog, rather than a slut. (need a better insult than that since to quote Wanda Sykes, "I get mad when men are referred to as dogs. Dogs are loyal.") Does she sleep around a lot? Then probably, depending on the specifics. (I would tend to judge on a case by case basis if asked) |
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