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Can a Woman Rape a Man?
I know it sounds silly, but outside of hot-for-teacher statutory cases in which the child is CLEARLY consenting (though it's still totally wrong), is it possible for a woman to rape a man?
I don't remember any stories about it, and I was asked the question by a high school friend on AIM today. My first response was, "Not really.", but I thought about it. It's possible. Thoughts? |
it absolutely is.
men dont have to mentally consent for their bodies to respond to sexual stimulation. |
Technically, every time a woman has sex with a man who is impaired, she is "raping" him, because impairment negates the ability to consent.
As far as actual forced sex, sure. I'm sure it's really (really really) rare, but it could happen. |
I'm sure a guy could be taken while he's asleep.
Or he could be drugged with something like Viagra. |
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Don't y'all watch Desperate Housewives (referring to Orson's ex "using him" to get pregnant)?? *shakes head in disappointment at TFP's lack of DH fans* |
Has nobody seen Blue Velvet?
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hard to rape the willing....
i think it can happen but it so rare that is a non issue. |
Most definitely, with the right combination of factors. All it would take is a woman large or strong enough to overpower you, or one smart enough to drug you.
If you're taking sex from someone without their consent, it's rape. Whether you're male or female is inconsequential. |
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From what I understand, if you mix Viagra with other drugs or too much booze you're just as likely to kill him. The thing with sleep, guys will crack a wood while they're asleep, like, in deep sleep even. I had friend who told me she used to fuck her boyfriend when he was asleep. |
Men can be sexually stimulated even when not willing. Tie a man down and suck on his penis long enough, and he'll get hard enough for sex, even if he's super scared/horrified/unwilling. It's just how the male body works.
So yes. |
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(Although on occasion I'd wake him up :thumbsup: ) I want to watch desperate housewives, just no opportunities to. |
Dunno.
I enjoyed it. |
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Still, the story seems fishy. The only way it would have sounded more fake is if the women were supermodels. |
I don't quite believe it myself, but if it were three men and woman it would seem absolutely believable. If a man really got raped by a woman there's probably no chance anyone would ever think he was telling the truth.
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That's the point.
The male brain is absolutely tortured with sex impulses. Even if his emotions aren't invested in it... the body is like: "AWLRIGHT, MAN... LOOK AT US ALL UP IN THAT VAGINA!" Thus... hard to really make a crime out of it from a biological standpoint. ... Unless you're gay. |
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No, Crompsin, you cannot rape the willing. Having said that, If it's against the will and unwanted, of whatever gender, IT IS RAPE. Which is NOT a crime of passion but a crime of power |
When men get raped it's generally called a seduction. Haven't you heard of the siren song?
Men don't want to admit to being raped because of some of the comments above. People think men constantly want sex...if a man said he was raped, he might seem less of a man. At least that's what came out of the discussion JumpinJesus and I had about this thread. |
Well I've been trying to put myself into this situation. If, by some chance, a woman who I was not in the least attracted to were to have me at gunpoint and try to shag me, I'd just be pissed. I'd probably try to get the gun away. That explains why it had to be more than one woman in the case above. One or two went at it, and the third held the gun. And as a man, I could easily get hard even if I didn't want to. There are cases of rape in which women become aroused or even orgasm (which can lead to terrible guilt later, something you learn when you volunteer as a crisis counselor), which isn't their fault. The conscious mind and the body aren't always on the same team.
So yeah, I do think it's possible to rape a man. It's even possible that the news story above is true. The question is: how common can it really be? I don't know of any statistics. I don't think it's possible for Jessica Alba to rape a straight man, though. Just saying. |
I know it's possible. But the more important question is WHY would a woman need to rape a man?
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willravel, I need to understand something real quick before continuing this discussion...are you saying that you volunteered as a crisis counselor for female rape victims?
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Penis in Vagina is not the only from of sex. That being said, if the woman has a cucumber or a broom stick, then yes, she can rape a man.
But to sexually arouse him enough to cause an erection, then have sex and then he comes back and says that he was not a willing partner is just silly, and would mostly likely be thrown out of any court. |
I would agree with those who say that a woman can rape a man. Since I know that my johnson normally wakes up before I do, I think that the way a woman could most easliy pull it off is with a man who is either asleep or unconscious. I think that it's fairly rare though for a woman to do that to a man, and I agree with the other posters that many people wouldn't believe him.
I'm reminded of an episode of Law & Order Special Victims Unit where 3 businesswomen rape a male stripper. IIRC only det Benson believed he was raped, Detective Stabler didn't believe him at all. I'm reminded of a conversation a few male friends and I had on the topic of sexual harassment when I was in the AF. The gist of the conversation amounted to "why would a man complain about sexual harrassment from a woman. unless she's just really ugly, or you have someone way better at home, why not just give her what she wants?" Grant that sex harrasment isn't as bad as rape, but you get the general picture, men generally are expected to say yes to the sexual advances of a woman unless he has a very good reason to say no. |
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Want. We can all understand. Need. It doesn't make sense. |
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Think of any person (female or male) in any position of power using sex as a form of control. ie. a female manager over a male underling: "If you want that raise or promotion you have to have sex with me." That's coercion which is the sames as rape in my book. Maybe not violent rape; but rape nonetheless. |
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As for research, I did some in school. A lot of this is common sense, though. A rudimentary understanding of sexuality can explain how one can have a physical sexual reaction whether the conscious brain wants it or not. Having been woken up to my wife having some fun with me, I can be living proof of that. |
I guess my concern comes from this statement you made:
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To be honest, I don't think it could be called common sense to think that a woman would orgasm while being raped. I'm not a woman so I don't know to what extent the female orgasm is a physical response to a traumatic experience. While you have nothing to prove to me, I'm just curious to know where your information comes from. It helps me frame my discussion a little better. |
What about those electrical devices?
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Analog can tell you better than a layman like myself, but in certain cases of trauma to the back of a man, an erection occurs, which is an indicator of the seriousness of the injury. |
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Some of it is from schooling. In getting my degree in psychology some of my time was in dealing with human sexuality and some of it was spent on rape. A better way to establish this would be to talk to a rape counselor. I strongly suspect they could address this better than I. I don't know if a majority of women become aroused when raped. Frankly, I don't feel particularly comfortable thinking about it. Maybe we should use facts: Fact #1: Men can become hard without wanting to. Fact #2: No WMDs were found in Iraq (this finds it s way onto all my fact lists out of habit) Fact #3: Women can have very strong sexual feelings about a man. Many do. Based on #1 and 3, it's not outside the realm of possibility that a woman can make a man have sex with her without his consent. |
Men's sexual arousal is a spinal reflex, modified by the higher cognitive functions. It is possible for a man who is totally paralysed from the neck down to get an erection. So, yes, a man can be sexually aroused even though he doesn't wish to be and then raped. You can be tied up by the ugliest woman imaginable, aroused involuntarily and then raped by her.
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If a woman were to put things in a man anus against his will, is that rape? or just plain old sexual assault?
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I vaguely recall a case where a man was drugged and while he was unconsious two (possibly three, it was a while ago) used a bent wire coathanger to restrict bloodflow and produced an erection, then had sex with him. That's rape, no questions about it.
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At the risk is being flamed for being politically incorrect, according to several sources, including my wife, some women do have rape fantasies and at times can get turned on by rough sex or while role-playing rape scenerios. Based on that, I'd conclude that some women have gotten aroused and have orgasmed during rapes.
The reason discussing this is politically incorrect is because some sick f***s use this information to justify their crimes, by saying "women like to be raped," or "she was enjoying it." So for the record, in the VAST majority of cases, women DON'T want to be raped. It is an invasion and descrutction of her sole. Anyone interested in trying rape-role playing should first get the full consent of their partner and arrainge a safe word. And yes, a man can be raped, but it must be a rare event, or they fall more into "quid pro quo" sexual harassment, such as a female boss pressuring a male employee to have sex with her. BTW, if there are three hot women reading this board who'd like to do a role-play of forcing a man at gunpoint to have intercourse with all three of them, please send me a PM. ;) |
That's an excellent point, racnad. Arousal does not always signify consent. In cases of rape, physical reaction (again, by my understanding) is irrelevant. It is the verbal (No! or Stop) and conscious nonverbal (pushing away) signs that are looked for.
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I understand the point you make about women becoming aroused during rape can cause a huge problem for the women who have been raped Racnad. Many can feel that their body has betrayed them, or that they must have secretly liked it. I believe the body's response is a reflection of our animal origins and reproductive reflexes, not of our desire or will and it is our will that determines whether it is rape.
Rape is a far cry from collaborating in a consensual fantasy of being overcome and forced where each person is still in control of events. |
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However, it wasn't the same situation as when I have consensual rough sex. In that latter situation, I want to be with the person and I know that if I say stop, the person will stop. |
Everytime I read this thread this comic pops into my head
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I believe you all are missing the very important question: Is the woman in question hot?
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Has anyone ever realized that comments like that are the reason people do not go forward and talk about being raped? If that is what is going to be said then chances are nobody is going to believe the accusation. The guy that attempted to rape me did so more than once How did he do this more than once? The thing people always tell me is, "More than once, then you must have wanted it, but chickened out at the last minute." Then I got the, "He's so cute, I know you must have a crush on him." No, I didn't want to have sex with him in the back of the library when I was 13. And I didn't want to have sex with him pushed against a brick wall outside by the dumpsters. I told my boss that I didn't want to go out back with him to be 'safer' because he has attacked me before. My boss laughed at me and said that J would never do that and it was unsafe to go out in the back alley after dark. :shakehead: So, just because a person is hot doesn't automatically mean that a person wants to have sex with them especially forced into a situation to have sex. I never formally accused the guy because of comments that were made to me when the topic was brought up. And I'm hearing the same comments in this thread. So, yea, you'll probably rarely, if ever, hear of a man that was actually raped. |
I should say that some men are different from women in that they'd consensually have sex with a hot woman on the spot, even if she was trying to rape him. That's not to say there is a rule about this, of course, but, if I was single and a really beautiful woman drugged me and had her way with me, I might try to get her number. Yes, most men are shallow in that way. We're not really proud of it, but that's the reality.
One thing that bears repeating: rape is wrong. If you have ever raped anyone, you're a bad person and you should seek immediate psychological help and turn yourself in. If you've been raped, you were victimized in the worst way possible and I'd suggest speaking to someone if you haven't already. This thread is about a hypothetical question. Shesus, you're a wonderful person and I'm so sorry that happened to you. |
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I think its fairly possible to rape a man, if a woman so desired. |
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But everyone seems to be missing the point/definition. Never mind all the bruhaha about "erection" and all that "sexual arousal" stuff. If a woman shoves an object up a man's bum (without his consent) - she's just raped him. Pure and simple. ANSWER: Yes. A woman can rape a man. |
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As Shehus pointed out, the perceived attractiveness of the perpetrator is unfortunately a factor in the doubt people will have. This is why jocks and popular guys are more likely to get away with it. People look at him and think "he's a hunk, what college girl wouldn't want to sleep with him?" As I said earlier, female on male rapes are more likely to be called sexual harassment. If a female boss tells a male employee that he'll be fired if he doesn't have sex with her, it's not enormiously different than a man telling a women she'll be beat up if she doesn't have have sex with him. Not the same thing, but the same neighborhood. |
well stat rape is different to rape.
I am not saying that stat rape is acceptable by any means, but it is different. I dont consider some 15 year old boy banging his 25 year old teacher a victime - but it is a double standard for sure. If a 15 year old girl sleeps willingly with a 25 year old male teacher, you'd think the guy was a pervert who had taken advantage of her. Switch the genders, and for the boy most people's reaction is "good on him" __ But in relation to the main point - a woman can sexually exploit a male child, of course... but the actual act of rape - well that would be possible only if she fucked a dude with a strap on probably. I think "molestation" and "rape" are different things, even though we rightly consider them both to be the most serious of crimes. |
Strange Famous, I think you're making an important distinction between molestation and rape. I agree that they aren't necessarily synomous. There are most certainly overlaps, but not in all cases.
Women can certainly rape guys, with or without inserting anything anywhere. If a woman can be raped while incapacitated (i.e. drunk), then so can a man. I have heard a story told by someone that it happened to and there were repercussions for the woman involved, although not criminal (by his choice). Basically, he passed out and awoke to find her on top of him in the middle of intercourse. |
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Perhaps many men would wake up and smile, but men who are involved in serious relationships most likely would not, nor would a lot of gay men. My story actually comes from the latter, if you can believe that. He was by no means attracted to this woman and thought of her only as a friend. There is certainly a relatively significant minority of men who would not respond happily to this kind of situation. |
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Guys reading this, if you've been sexually assaulted by a woman, it doesn't make you any less of a man. Report it and prevent it from happening to anyone else. Quote:
So in the case you described the gentleman was homosexual and was sexually assaulted by a woman? Wow. I can't imagine how uncomfortable that was for him. |
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I think most would a agree that a man could be anally raped with a strap-on or other object, or could be forced at knife-or gun point to have oral sex with a woman, so we'l just talk about forced penis-vagina sex. The fact that a man has to be erect for vaginal sex would raise significant doubt in any jury being asked to believe that a man did not consent to having sex. I would think that a married man who firmly didn't want to cheat would likey not have an erection if a powerful woman were trying to get his penis into her - but not having been in that situation, I'm not sure. Even describing that situation I'm thinking "Yeah, right!" Women who want sex hard enough can usually manage to seduce someone, even if they're not very attractive. And that is consensual and not rape. This is why rape cases against women accused of raping adult men are very rare, if they happen at all. |
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That maybe true, but juries would tend to see an erection as evidence of consent. It would be very difficult to get a conviction.
Also it was you that suggested that if it was Jessica Alba, it couldn't be rape, so if the accused looks anything like Jessica Alba, they shouldn't have you on the jury ;) |
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Second- and maybe this is just me- I've had my penis for a good while now (since I was born, in fact), and I can say for a fact that you can consciously wish NOT to be erect and it will still stand right the hell up, with or even without manual stimulation. I would think every male on the planet over the age of 13 would be similarly knowledgeable on that point... the penis does what it wants. :) |
while its never happened to me, it has happened to quite a few of my friends. they drink until they black out, wake up the next day and find out they got a blow job or had sex... and have no recollection of the event. not only does it scare the shit out of them, they actually do feel violated, it wasn't consensual, and that is rape.
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But I think think most of us have experienced erection trouble on occasions where we were in some sort of situation we weren't comfortable with, such as a woman you really don't like and have no business sleeping with. The closest I've been to having attractive women around when I really DIDN'T want an erection was when I was about 21 years old visiting a nudist resort. I was fine hanging out by the pool, with about 50 people sunbathing and playing in the water. I figured this was because while there were a few reasonably attractive women around, there were also plently of not-so attractive naked people around, including children, elderly, and others you really don't want to see naked. Then a guy who was acting as my "tour guy" invited me to the bar that was on the property. On the way there, the path went diectly past a film crew from the Playboy Channel who was interviewing a young lady because - well, she was exactly the sort of women the Playboy channel would want to film an interview of, especially if she were naked, which she was. Would I be able to walk within two feet of her without the fact that I found her attractive becoming obvious to all? It turns out I could, and decided that the part of the brain that controls the erection needs to believe the sex is immenent for it to respond (although this part of the brain is easly fooled by porn, idle fastasy, etc.) Just seeing an attractive naked isn't enough. Further, I'm guessing that about 98 percent of women could not cause me to be erect if I didn't want to be erect (even thogh I could have sex with them if I wanted), but I concede that the top 2 percent hottest (according to me) could give me an involuntary erection provided I watched them do and heard them say whatever it took. But still, when I try to imagine a scenario where a woman uses physical force to get a penis of a unwilling, uncooperative man into her vagina, I can't think of anything that's not far fetched (mind you I'm not talking about anal rape or oral-at-gunpoint or anything like that) |
I don't believe that having an erection is something that requires mental arousal or a conscious decision. For example: Think back to your high school days. That was over seven years ago for me and I still remember getting a raging boners for no apparent reason that would *not* go away and having to strategically position my pile of books so as to hide it when I had to step into the hallway between classes.
I would say that it is possible for a woman to rape a man via vaginal intercourse, and any other sexual act that was not consented to I would consider to be rape as well. |
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The first thing that comes to mind is Wedding Crashers and the scene where that girl ties up Vince Vaughn in the middle of the night...
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If we speak only of adults who are mentally capable.... then I do not believe a woman can rape a man. A woman could molest or assault a man... but rape is a crime of violence before it is a crime of sex. Rape is a hate crime, and the damage which is done to a woman by the act of rape cannot be done by a woman to a man in my opinion.
Even if she was to drug or overpower a dude and use some kind of strap on tool to sodomise him... I think this would be assault and battery rather than rape. It is possible that a man may be raped though... by another man. |
When I looked up rape, the first definition was specific to women being the victim. The second definition, "any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person", seems a better explanation to me, and could include men.
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Many years ago I read an account of a large, powerful woman tying up a teenaged boy, inserting a probe in his anus to stimulate his prostate and induce an erection, mounting him and then strangling him while still riding on his erect penis. The fellow had declined her advances and apparently found her both unattractive and downright scary.
As I say, this is a vague recollection of an account going back over 30 years, so I really have no data or accurate information. Is there anyone out there who can confirm or deny that vigorous prostate massage will cause an erection in an unwilling male? I do know that erections caused by strangulation is a documented fact, and indeed in the good old days people used to collect the ejaculate from hanged men for purposes best left to the imagination. So a woman could bind a man and possibly choke him till he got hard, then fuck him. I would call that rape. |
That is a most definite YES!!
If a man rapes a woman and just by chance hits the right spot to give her an orgasm does that mean it was not raped and she consented at "that" moment? If a Child molester rapes a boy and he has an erection/ejaculation, the molester will say in court that he liked it because he "responded" The same thing applies here just because they are both adults in no way rules it out It is societies view on these things that make it harder for a victim to report it, because in their minds they to are thinking they must have wanted it since they "enjoyed it" For those that cannot imagine it, you are the people that will end up on the jury, and even if there was video tape,broken bones and years of therapy bills you would spend 5minutes in the jury room saying "he wanted it" and let her go (Q would you say the same thing if they were both guys and the victim said he was straight- or what if he was gay{boy will be boys?}) |
Fun Legalese Trivia:
According to the FBI's UCR (a national report) "forcible rape" ("big 4" category, up there with homicide, aggr. assault, and robbery) is defined as forceful man-on-woman and Tab A / Slot A (penis-in-vagina) toolbox action without consent. It doesn't cover sodomy (Slot B, Slot C) or sexual assault/battery. Kinda outdated. The UCR also defines "rape" (different, "generalized" crime), a secondary category crime, as being forceful sexual intercourse without consent. This crime, known only as "rape", also MAY (jurisdiction / circumstance) include man-on-man (natural women can't biologically penetrate legally because of a lack of a penis). Meh. Quote:
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Outside of some bizarre blackmail situation, I can't see how I could be "raped". Mr. Happy isn't going to be happy if he doesn't want to do it and while I have better 'control' than a lot of men (you will have to trust me on this one ;) ) I'd have to use all of that if I was going to be forced.
Likewise if I were drunk, or drugged, again, I as a male wouldn't think of it as rape. It just wouldn't register as "rape". Hell I've had a few instances of beer goggles in my life, I don't feel raped for any of them. Finally the strap on thing wouldn't be rape to me, but it would be assault. The reason being, is that to me being anally violated is not sexual. Maybe my wacky female attacker would think of it as so, but its not part of my own sexuality. But this doesn't answer the question can a man be raped by a woman, perhaps some men could, but I don't think I could be. |
From a moral/physical/thoeretical stand point I would say yes. But depending on the state you live in legally it is not possible for a woman to rape a man. i.e. in my case Georgia code 16-6-1 defines rape as:
"A person commits the offense of rape when he has carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will; or a female who is less than ten years of age. Carnal knowledge in rape occurs when there is any penetration of the female sex organ by the male sex organ." |
Daemon1313: Now that's stupid, I hope there is something else in the codes to cover molestation of buy by M or F, or something to cover gay rape.
Topic: besides physical there are also those that have had a history of abuse growing up, and the only way they know of keeping the peace is to go along even if the say no at first, since it is useless. See: Learned Helplessness |
It's Georgia what do you expect. But yes it would be illegal, just not rape.
It would be considered sexual battery if she raped him in the normal sexual sense. It would aggravated sexual battery if she raped him in the 12" strap on sense. |
Ok, threadjacking.
I won some free passes to a show in spokane and just posted up "hey looking for a concert buddy" on craigslist. Someone who was entirely disinterested in the concert and just wanted to make out with me (she says this in her 1st email to me) contacts me and says "hit me back for some pics" so I'm like "meh, fine, lets see what this is" I email back something like "thanks for your interest, hit me with what ya got I guess" and she sends 2 pictures from a new email address that she says is her work address. I do a google on the domain that her new email belongs to and it's like some anesthesiologist association or something. I was kinda creeped out, and she wasn't my type anyway, looked like she was quite a bit older than me and etc insert shallow reasons here. I coulda been raeped! |
Before I changed majors I was a criminal justice major and took a lot of law and law enforcement courses. The teacher was a retired cop, he said though it is a hard case to prove it does happen and that there may be more cases that are unreported for the same reason a woman won't report a rape...embarrassment. :sad: Perhaps even more so that and the fact that most people don’t believe the man, because it is hard to understand for most people that the body responds in ways that we can’t help.
I think there was a Law and Order SVU episode on the topic too. |
I'm glad that "YOUR" cop actually understood it can/has happened, and he is absolutely right about the embarrassment factor and that he won't be believed.
The other thing is that if it gets out, the "gay" factor will be there (he must be gay if he did not want it) As for L&O SVU, they can cover most of the same topics on the original and a lot better, I for one do not need all the detail they want to shove in there (let alone mr genius) |
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