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katyg 07-16-2007 11:39 PM

Prostitution...could you, would you?
 
This came up amongst some of my friends the other night. It turns out that a few of our male friends who are quieter and less confident (but by no means unattrative) lost their virginity to prostitutes because they got scared and couldn't wait past 19. I was upset and shocked, these are nice guys you know, sweet, smart, funny, and some of them have even said that the whole experience put them off for life because it was so seedy and sad.

Has anyone here used them? I am just sad for them that in the race to lose it, they lost out in some way...
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Push-Pull 07-17-2007 03:34 AM

Never used one, don't see myself as being desperate enough to do so.

However, I'm curious to how many guys have eh, "paid" (in one form or another) our gf's and spouses for a little slice......Yes, I'm guilty. Both get something out of it, and no one gets hurt or scarred.

Charlatan 07-17-2007 04:47 AM

I see no issue, in principle, with the idea of paying for sex. The only issue I have is when a woman (or a man) is being forced into selling sex by a third party (this is even worse when the person being forced sees none of the profits).

As for the question of would I partake, I don't see why not. If I was in the position where I felt the need and had the funds... I suppose I would do it.


As for losing your virginity... I don't think it's such a good idea.

MrFriendly 07-17-2007 05:12 AM

I'm tempted to go into a long story about how I befriended a prostitute once, maybe a story for another time. Actually I still think about her sometimes, I'd love to know what she's up to. But the stories this girl used to tell me, my goodness.

I would be lying if I said the thought had never crossed my mind. Let's face it, it's been a very long time since I last felt a womans touch (for a whole bunch of reasons I wont go into right now). But a huge part of me could just never bring myself to go through with it, and rest of me simply couldn't justify the money.

At this point in my life I'd have to be trippin some pretty mad balls to seriously consider it. But I hold no judgment against people, male or female, who feel they need the release.

Like Charlatan, I just hope to god that a pro gets themselves into this line of work out of choice, and have not been forced into it. Oooooooooh mother Russia, if only knew what was happening to your daughters now. But the sexual slave trade is getting worse in other countries too, stuff like that just flat out depresses me too :(

Toaster126 07-17-2007 06:05 AM

I don't think prostitution in and of itself is bad. I think if the prostitutes are willing participants and there is some sort of health inspection, it should be legal - although I wouldn't ever use one because I would still be afraid of the STDs.

I also don't think virginity or a "first time" has any value, but that's a topic for another thread.

Redlemon 07-17-2007 07:28 AM

When we were staying in a hotel once, my wife put on a wig and pretended to be a prostitute. I couldn't even get it up. Even in roleplaying, the idea of a person being paid to pretend to like me was a complete turn-off. For the same reason, I've never been to a strip club.

Jinn 07-17-2007 08:15 AM

Quote:

I see no issue, in principle, with the idea of paying for sex. The only issue I have is when a woman (or a man) is being forced into selling sex by a third party (this is even worse when the person being forced sees none of the profits).

As for the question of would I partake, I don't see why not. If I was in the position where I felt the need and had the funds... I suppose I would do it.

Seconded.

abaya 07-17-2007 08:53 AM

I have no moral problem with prostitution, as long as the prostitute entered the profession of her own will, is of age, and is making her own decisions regarding STD's, drug use, abuse, etc.

However, honestly I would think twice (if not several more times) about being with a man who had been to a prostitute, perhaps because it confers a certain level of desperation/lack of self control in his character, and the increased risk of STD's. Perhaps I am stereotyping, but in choosing someone to be intimate with, I think I'm within my rights to discriminate in that manner.

If the man told me about previous prostitutory (?) experience right up front, before we ever had sex, then maybe we could work through it. But if I found out afterwards (i.e. he was not fully disclosing his sexual history), I'd be hard-pressed to not kick him in the balls and to the curb shortly afterwards.

But, this is all hypothetical, since the situation does not apply to me. :D I'd much rather be with a mid-20's virgin :D (as I was) or anyone with "normal" experience, than be with someone who was so desperate to lose his virginity that he paid someone to get rid of it for him. Instant "loser" status, right there.

Daoust 07-17-2007 09:11 AM

As Redlemon writes:

Quote:

the idea of a person being paid to pretend to like me was a complete turn-off. For the same reason, I've never been to a strip club.
Seconded.

Plan9 07-17-2007 09:22 AM

I'm a manwhore.

I start at $50.

snowy 07-17-2007 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by abaya
I have no moral problem with prostitution, as long as the prostitute entered the profession of her own will, is of age, and is making her own decisions regarding STD's, drug use, abuse, etc.

Agreed.

As for men who choose to use prostitutes...that's their decision, just like it's my decision whether or not I want to sleep with them. Given that it hasn't been an issue in any of my past relationships, and is unlikely to be an issue in the future...I don't really care. Adults make their own choices, for better or for worse.

abaya 07-17-2007 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by onesnowyowl
As for men who choose to use prostitutes...that's their decision, just like it's my decision whether or not I want to sleep with them.

That's what I meant to say, you just said it more nicely and more concisely. :D

mirevolver 07-17-2007 10:48 AM

Although I fully support legalizing prostitution, I would never partake. Even when I have spent extended stays in Germany where it is legal, and had no existing relationship, I still had no desire to pay for it.

In my mind, sex for the sake of sex isn't worth it and by comparison my right hand can do a better job. Sex needs to be about the intimate experience you are having with your partner, and I don't see how that can exist if you just put down a wad of cash to have some woman just go through the motions like a machine.

Aladdin Sane 07-17-2007 03:43 PM

No prostitute for moi. Here's the deal: The biggest turn on for me is knowing that my woman is turned on. To me, nothing is sexier than a woman in heat; a woman who desperately wants me to do nasty things to her and her to me. So I get off knowing she is getting off. Should I find myself with a prostitute, I could never forget that what she is doing, she is doing for money, not lust. That fact alone is the major deal breaker. I have no interest whatsoever being with a woman who is only providing a service and who is only pretending to enjoy herself. YUCK.

Willravel 07-17-2007 03:56 PM

I wouldn't even think about it. Using it or doing it myself. Not my cup of tea.

noodle 07-17-2007 05:22 PM

personally,
i would not, could not in a box,
i would not, could not with a fox.
if that's what someone was in to and they are practicing safety and i'm not sleeping with them, then it should, in essence, be their issue not mine.

my only issue with prostitution (other than Charlie's wonderful point about people being forced by another person or circumstance) is when my tax dollars then have to go towards the healthcare and the extra children that can result from those encounters. i'll buy your condoms, but i'll not buy your syphilis or HIV meds by choice, luv. or your stay in the local pokey. i just wouldn't be able to do it. i have a hard enough time trying to role play that one. all i can see is the clinic i worked in... kinda kills the mood. :no:

jessicaabruno 07-17-2007 06:00 PM

Well, I'm pretty against the practice of prostitution because I feel why go down to that level, I mean for both parties involve in it.

Think this is it and hope this makes sense to all of you on here.

Thank you.

mixedmedia 07-17-2007 06:21 PM

I think it would depend on the situation in both cases - hiring a prostitute or being a prostitute.

I have no real qualms about prostitution, other than those already mentioned. I, too, would support legalization as a means of "cleaning up" the business all around.

james t kirk 07-17-2007 06:39 PM

It is truly interesting to read the perceptions and stereotypes of the world's oldest profession on here and the very harsh judgement of both those who buy and those who sell sex (diseased, desperate, mechanical, etc.). I don't know if you all think that the only prostitutes out there are the 10 crack whore types, or you are aware that there are higher class call girls out there.

My opinion is that as long as both parties are over the age of 18 and no-one is being co-erced into it, then I am all for it. In Canada, prostitution is actually legal, solicitation is illegal. What that boils down to is that an escort that you call and comes to your hotel or residence (an outcall) is perfectly legal. A woman that solicits business on the street is illegal, as is a woman who has clients coming to her house (can make for a nuisance for the neighbours in a residential area).

Living in Toronto, the sex industry here is huge and frankly, it makes for a better place to live. The police by and large don't waste valuable resources playing morality enforcers (ever seen "Cops" where they regularly end the show by busting hookers or their clients for the ratings?) and I truly believe that legalized prostitution gives men who are hard up an outlet for their pent up sexual desires. I am a member of the Camilia Paglia school of thought that rape is a crime of sex and not a crime of power as many would want us to believe and as such, a hard up man can be (though definitely not always) a dangerous man.

Massage parlours are also legal in Toronto and are in fact licensed by the City of Toronto as "Body Rub Parlours" at a cost of about 10 grand a year. Massage Parlours typically do not do sex (nor oral), though they are obviously sexual. They advertise both in print and on the internet and are regulated by bylaw enforcement.

To name but a few:

http://www.torontoplatinumspa.com/

http://alluremassage.ca/

http://www.royalspa.ca/

http://handsfromheaven.ca

ASU2003 07-17-2007 07:21 PM

I'm not a fan of one night stands or one hour sex sessions. So, it's not for me.

It doesn't matter if it costs money or it is free, I would want to be with someone that wants to be with me.

Although I think I might need to take a trip to Toronto...

Plan9 07-17-2007 08:01 PM

Hmm... the brain and the penis aren't connected by the heart.

I've enjoyed the relationships I've had that have been based on physical need.

surferlove007 07-17-2007 08:32 PM

I personally don't believe in prostitution for myself, but don't judge those who do it.
In all honesty, I think Prostitution should be like the girl on Firefly...Enora..where she's a companion. I like to think of it that way better, seems just brighter.

They should be trained, schooled, and of free will to pick their clients.

MrFriendly 07-17-2007 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ghoastgirl1
I personally don't believe in prostitution for myself, but don't judge those who do it.
In all honesty, I think Prostitution should be like the girl on Firefly...Enora..where she's a companion. I like to think of it that way better, seems just brighter.

They should be trained, schooled, and of free will to pick their clients.

So like a Japanese Geisha girl?

You know most high class escorts are in this vein. Cultured, well educated, sophisticated, refined.

Jesus, I've met a fair share of strippers who are very very intelligent and well educated women. Though in Aus a lot of them get into it to help pay their way through university. I know stripping is a different game to prostitution, but the fact remains, a lot these women have half a brain.

willynilly 07-17-2007 09:33 PM

It's interesting what people will talk about here. Drug use, etc... But prostitution is taboo. "It's ok for others, but I would never partake and really I would look down on anyone who would".

abaya 07-18-2007 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by willynilly
It's interesting what people will talk about here. Drug use, etc... But prostitution is taboo. "It's ok for others, but I would never partake and really I would look down on anyone who would".

It's not a matter of looking down on, it's a matter of choosing who I want to be intimate with. Big difference there. I could be friends with someone who had seen a prostitute, but I could never date them... it's just not the kind of behavior that I find attractive or sexy in any way.

I agree with james t kirk in this aspect:
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Originally Posted by james t kirk
I truly believe that legalized prostitution gives men who are hard up an outlet for their pent up sexual desires.

... yes, and I fully support the legalization of prostitution, and the freedom for men to choose to use them. That doesn't mean I want to have sex with a man who had sex with a prostitute. I have a right to discriminate who puts his penis inside me, thanks!

World's King 07-18-2007 08:27 AM

Do blow jobs from strippers count?

Cause if they do... Then I have and will again.

jth 07-18-2007 11:21 AM

I have a friend who has very low self esteem who confessed to me when I got back to Texas from Xmas back home in Canada that he had indeed gone to a prostitute (massage parlour) and got himself taken care of. While he didn't state at the beginning that it was paid for sex, he eventually came clean about it, he didn't seem embarrassed about it but I was somewhat taken back by it.

He's gone back twice since then and I think he plans on going again before the next semester starts up at school. He's very sexually frustrated and does not think that he has a chance with any women, especially in our social construct where the women are pretty much all very attractive and taken. And so he finds himself cockblocking himself.

Personally... I don't have a problem with it as long as, like many feel it's not a forced thing and that the Woman is clean, healthy and of age. Although I cannot see myself going that route ever.

ruggerp11 07-18-2007 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Aladdin Sane
No prostitute for moi. Here's the deal: The biggest turn on for me is knowing that my woman is turned on. To me, nothing is sexier than a woman in heat; a woman who desperately wants me to do nasty things to her and her to me. So I get off knowing she is getting off. Should I find myself with a prostitute, I could never forget that what she is doing, she is doing for money, not lust. That fact alone is the major deal breaker. I have no interest whatsoever being with a woman who is only providing a service and who is only pretending to enjoy herself. YUCK.

Very eloquent and also true for me!

O, and why pay for it? Half the fun is the 'chase' (for lack of a better term)

Sharon 07-18-2007 01:23 PM

The sad truth is that there are men out there who simply don't have the skills or confidence necessary to get a woman into bed. It's a lot less of a problem for us girls - we have a lot more choice in this area. We don't have to have confidence. We don't even need to be good-looking... we can still go out and get laid any night of the week. These men still have needs. If a person can't cook, they can pay to have someone make food for them. If they can't get a woman, they can pay a woman to satisfy their need. I'm not going to judge them for that.

I kind of see what abaya and the other posters have said about not being able to be with someone who had been with a prostitute, because they are "losers". But people change... I have dated very successful, confident, incredible men who were "losers" when they were younger. I don't know if they had been with prostitutes, but to me that is irrelevant. If they were losers, they no longer are. If they are STD-free, then I don't see anything wrong with being with them.

jorgelito 07-18-2007 02:53 PM

Actually, plenty of successful and attractive men, men in power solicit prostitutes. It is very short-sided to see men as "poor lonely souls who can't get any" or as "losers" as the only patrons of prostitutes. These guys do have the skills to "get women", but choose to solicit prostitutes.

eribrav 07-18-2007 03:01 PM

I'd point out that most men involved with prostitutes aren't paying them for sex.

They're paying them to leave when they're done!:eek:

seretogis 07-18-2007 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crompsin
I'm a manwhore.

I start at $50.

Check your PMs. :D

abaya 07-18-2007 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorgelito
These guys do have the skills to "get women", but choose to solicit prostitutes.

Seriously, it really doesn't matter to me what kind of men see prostitutes. I'll be their friend no matter what, as long as they aren't assholes.

But apparently it needs to be repeated. I would not sleep with a man who had seen a prostitute. Once again, aren't we all allowed to pick and choose what kind of people we want to sleep with? Lots of guys won't sleep with an obese woman, a woman with bad teeth, a woman with kids... I mean, what the hell, we all have our preferences, and our reasons for those preferences. That's really all I'm saying.

surferlove007 07-18-2007 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrFriendly
So like a Japanese Geisha girl?

You know most high class escorts are in this vein. Cultured, well educated, sophisticated, refined.


Yea pretty much. I like the idea of prostitutes having brains instead of just spreading their legs.

But seriously, watch Firefly. Awesome series.

Charlatan 07-18-2007 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ruggerp11
O, and why pay for it? Half the fun is the 'chase' (for lack of a better term)

The chase is not fun when you are pressed for time (i.e. you must get back to your wife).

I would imagine that paying for sex removes complications from the physical act. It should be noted that what you are really paying for is for the prostitute to leave at the end of your time.

MrFriendly 07-18-2007 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ghoastgirl1
Yea pretty much. I like the idea of prostitutes having brains instead of just spreading their legs.

But seriously, watch Firefly. Awesome series.

Oh I know hehe, I'll leave Anura to all the other fools though, my heart is for Kaley :hearts:

My reply was just trying to point out real world examples of what you were talking about :)

Oh and Sharon, I think it's a little bit harsh to call people who see prostitutes loosers. I agree with you that people will change over time and better their situation. But the way I see it, it is just one aspect of their life that currently isn't getting the time and attention it needs to be dealt with, and for some, seeing a pro will at least relieve some of the stress and tension. I think it's unfair to insinuate they are loosers just because they're paying for it.

It seems a bit absurd that we will respect a womans choice to work as a prostitute, but want respect the men whom are their clientel, after all, those women do rely on them to make a living, correct? And no, Abaya, that is not a go at you, you've made clear it is simply your preference.

Also Sharon, I disagree with your comment about women being able to pickup no matter what, just because they're woman. Now, I too used to think this, only because I know how to think as a guy. This was until I had this discussion with several female friends about how it's way easier for them to pick up than it is for guys, and their opinion was quite the contrary to this. After having been out with some of them when they're trying to score for the night, I was amazed, that yes, it wasn't as easy for them as females to pickup, just because they're females.

I think in the end, far too many assumptions are always made by people about the opposite sex.

Adri 07-18-2007 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by eribrav
I'd point out that most men involved with prostitutes aren't paying them for sex.

They're paying them to leave when they're done!:eek:


Oddly, I think that's the truest statement in this whole thread!

Some men are lucky enough to have good girl friends who are willing to have a physical relationship with no strings. These men are called "imaginary". :lol: I'm kidding... sort of.

Jinn 07-18-2007 07:49 PM

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Oh I know hehe, I'll leave Anura to all the other fools though, my heart is for Kaley
AMEN Brother. Work that wrench! :)

james t kirk 07-18-2007 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFriendly
Also Sharon, I disagree with your comment about women being able to pickup no matter what, just because they're woman. Now, I too used to think this, only because I know how to think as a guy. This was until I had this discussion with several female friends about how it's way easier for them to pick up than it is for guys, and their opinion was quite the contrary to this. After having been out with some of them when they're trying to score for the night, I was amazed, that yes, it wasn't as easy for them as females to pickup, just because they're females.

I think in the end, far too many assumptions are always made by people about the opposite sex.

My observation would be that even unattractive women have a far easier time getting laid casually. They don't have to work nearly as hard as men.

HOWEVER,

That's not to say that they can keep the guy as anything more than a 1 night stand. A woman can get laid easily enough, but finding and keeping a good guy as a BF can prove very challenging even for a good looking woman.

Guys might bang just about anything, but they generally want to be out of there before the sun comes up and never look back.

MrFriendly 07-18-2007 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by james t kirk
My observation would be that even unattractive women have a far easier time getting laid casually. They don't have to work nearly as hard as men.

HOWEVER,

That's not to say that they can keep the guy as anything more than a 1 night stand. A woman can get laid easily enough, but finding and keeping a good guy as a BF can prove very challenging even for a good looking woman.

Guys might bang just about anything, but they generally want to be out of there before the sun comes up and never look back.

I wouldn't refute that.

All though these girls did have picky standards about what they wanted.

Dude, I could go to any amount of clubs in town and pick up a chick, tonight if I wanted, it's not hard, but I can tell you now they seriously wouldn't be my kind of girls. So I have standards on what I'm looking for, and that makes it a lot harder.

But what you stated before is true for both sexes. Guys can pick up girl with great ease if they know what they're doing, and girls can pick up guys if they know what they're doing. It's the keeping them part that is a different game all together. But the question is really about what game you're trying to play in the first place.

Some people aren't gifted with the ability to just pick up, they probably don't have any interest in a relationship, so what not save all the fucking around and just pay for a pro? If you look at it from a strict fiscal sense, it will probably be a lot cheaper than going out to the night clubs to find what you're after.

It sounds cold and selfish, but jesus, so is going to a club just so you can have a one night stand.

I've said it once before and I'll say it again, I don't care what people do, as long as it's not hurting anyone and they're entirely confident about their choices, they'll be alright by me.

Sultana 07-19-2007 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrFriendly
So like a Japanese Geisha girl?

You know most high class escorts are in this vein. Cultured, well educated, sophisticated, refined.

Just to point out, geisha were typically *not* prostitutes. But I see where you're going with that. I think a better correlation would be the courtesan. Sex, sparkling educated conversation, arm candy, companionship, occasional gifts (to her), no strings...aye, that's the life.

Signed, an aspiring courtesan

:D

Sharon 07-19-2007 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrFriendly
Oh and Sharon, I think it's a little bit harsh to call people who see prostitutes loosers. I agree with you that people will change over time and better their situation. But the way I see it, it is just one aspect of their life that currently isn't getting the time and attention it needs to be dealt with, and for some, seeing a pro will at least relieve some of the stress and tension. I think it's unfair to insinuate they are loosers just because they're paying for it.

I don't think of men who see prostitutes as losers at all. I was referring to earlier comments which seemed to suggest this. :)

I hear you on the other points about girls getting laid, but I still think it's easier for a girl to get laid than it is for a guy, on average. Pretty much any girl can go up to a guy in a bar who hasn't had it in a while, flash a bit of flesh and touch him, and he'll be up for it (so to speak). The guy would find it a lot harder to do if the situation were reversed.

Jinn 07-19-2007 07:59 AM

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Pretty much any girl can go up to a guy in a bar who hasn't had it in a while, flash a bit of flesh and touch him, and he'll be up for it (so to speak).
I agree completely. Girls don't have to have "game." All they need to get a one-night stand is a pulse and enough time for a lonely guy to see them. There's no way that the "ease of pickup-ability" is even close to even between men and women.

n0nsensical 07-19-2007 10:51 AM

I certainly think prostitution should be legal (not streetwalking but in an organized, licensed place of business), but I would never personally obtain their services. Sex is not worth money to me. If I'm going to have sex I want it to be with someone who actually wants to have sex with me, if I just want sexual pleasure I'll masturbate, and if I want to waste money on pleasure in general there are other and better things to waste money on. It took me a fair bit of time to lose my virginity but I'm glad I waited; I too think it's a bit sad to be so desperate you lose it to a prostitute. I'd be very surprised if any of them actually feel good about that decision after having done it.

MrFriendly 07-19-2007 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharon
I don't think of men who see prostitutes as losers at all. I was referring to earlier comments which seemed to suggest this. :)

I hear you on the other points about girls getting laid, but I still think it's easier for a girl to get laid than it is for a guy, on average. Pretty much any girl can go up to a guy in a bar who hasn't had it in a while, flash a bit of flesh and touch him, and he'll be up for it (so to speak). The guy would find it a lot harder to do if the situation were reversed.

Hehehe, no worries, I wasn't trying to sound aggressive :)

I dunno though, it think if you go to a club and throw alcohol into the mix it's really any ones game.

Like, I've been hit on by girls at clubs while sober and they've been trashed, and I've either turned them down on the grounds that they're exceedingly drunk or just, and I'm not trying to be a bastard, really not physically appealing. Though having said that, I've turned down girls while I've been extremely drunk, mainly because I couldn't barely stand up, let alone be able to have sex. But the thing about me is that whole scene just really isn't for me, and one night stands aren't my game.

Having thought on it more though, ok, I'll agree, woman potentially can have an easier go at getting a lay for the night, but I'd put this down to guys, in general, being a bit more opportunistic about sex than women are. But I'm happy to be refuted on that.

I guess the thing is, even if a particularly unattractive guy or girl carries them selves with confidence, and believes they're walking sex, then they'll have no problems getting someone into bed. Unfortunately people can smell low self esteem from a mile off and it's an instant turn off.

But a pro ain't going to be caring about that ;)

willynilly 07-20-2007 10:20 PM

Beats having an affair. No worries about someone thinking there is more to a relationship than just sex.

ssratt 07-20-2007 10:41 PM

Personally I think prostitution (brothels) should be legal, when I went to visit family in Australia, I found out that they are regulated by the state,checked monthly for all STD's as well as how the are feeling about what they are doing
As for visiting one with the history of my life to that point at 21 I felt I "needed" to, since my past might have changed? me.
She knew it was my first time, and took time to calm me down and get into the mood, actually making it the best experience I have ever had.
Yes I know that she was probably faking her reaction (though she continued for a couple of minutes after) and that her words where false flattery but for that amount of time and a little bit afterward I felt like everything was good.

At 36 I would love to go out on a date but my history has burdened me with anxieties,panic attacks, ptsd and other stuff which makes it extremely hard to think of going to bars, or other crowded places though I don't drink,smoke or do drugs, It's also in my mind that i could never say any right words other than "hello"

tecoyah 07-21-2007 03:48 AM

In my opinion, prostitution has no ill effect on society and should be a freedom of choice issue. While I myself may not wish to partake in the services provided that should have no bearing whatsoever on anyone else who might.

Kate M 07-21-2007 08:24 AM

Why not?
 
[QUOTE=ASU2003]'I'm not a fan of one night stands or one hour sex sessions. So, it's not for me.

It doesn't matter if it costs money or it is free, I would want to be with someone that wants to be with me'.

Is this not the heart of the whole issue? What most of us want in life is an intimate connections. This is unlikely to happen whilst visiting a prostitute. Unless of course you are Richard Gere and Julia Roberts.
I have been interviewing people about the myriad ways that we lose our virginity for some time now - I write about it on my blog:

www.virginityproject.typepad.com

Bizzarely, as a result of this, I now correspond with quite a large swathe of invisible society - people who have never lost their virginity, and most of them are men. For these people, if they pick carefully, I really think that a visit to a prostitute could be a step in the right direction.

By the by, I have been trying to interview a man who lost his virginity to a prostitute for over a year now, no joy! I am highly unjudgemental. If you know anyone who would be prepared to do this - absolute anonymity guarenteeed, point them in my direction! Towards London hopefully as this is where I am based.

alkaloid 07-23-2007 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jorgelito
Actually, plenty of successful and attractive men, men in power solicit prostitutes. It is very short-sided to see men as "poor lonely souls who can't get any" or as "losers" as the only patrons of prostitutes. These guys do have the skills to "get women", but choose to solicit prostitutes.

Yeah, that jives.

That reminds me that it is a almost a cliche for a businessman on a business trip to meet a call girl from the hotel bar. Well, at least in the movies. I also recall Hugh Grant was caught getting a blowjob from a street hooker Divine, while being married to Elizabeth Hurley.

liquidlight 07-23-2007 02:44 PM

Hey Sultana, need a benefactor? :D

I'm curious as to why no one in this thread has mentioned the other side of the coin? Are giggilos so uncommon that they're not considered prostitution?

I've never used a prostitute, but I have had REALLY bad sex. Considering that, if I were presented with the right opportunity to sleep with an attractive woman that was a professional I might do it just for the experience rather than the sex.

I'm with the rest of you, I think it should be legal simply because it eliminates so many of the problems of trying to curtail it for being immoral. I echo the sentiment that if it's the prostitutes choice and they benefit from it then it's not my place to judge and so be it.

For the rest of the opinions, do you hold the same stance for women that would partake of a prostitute as you do men?

Plan9 07-24-2007 09:44 AM

(wonders if Mr. Friendly really has these mad skillz he speaks of)

If it was that easy... I would have gotten laid this year.

MrFriendly 07-24-2007 06:46 PM

Cromp,

I'm certainly not talking myself up man. I will admit to you right now, I ain't a prize catch an my history with women is bloody awful.

But, in the alcohol fueled meat market known as the night club, or depending how desperate you are, the local RSL, you can find a desperate woman after a fuck. It is really a question on how far you want to lower your standards, or just how much alcohol your body can tolerate until they're attractive :p

Valentina_J 08-19-2007 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharon
I kind of see what abaya and the other posters have said about not being able to be with someone who had been with a prostitute, because they are "losers".

I'm curious: What about the flip side of the equation? Would any of the men here be willing to date a woman who had worked as a prostitute?

Dr Mario Kart 08-19-2007 05:04 AM

Prostitution is already legal. Its called marriage, and secondarily, dating :cold:

Blackthorn 08-19-2007 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valentina_J
I'm curious: What about the flip side of the equation? Would any of the men here be willing to date a woman who had worked as a prostitute?

I wish I had more time to post a better and more thoughtful reply than this but in a word. Yes I have dated a woman who worked as an "escort". She was up front about her past which at first was a little bizzare for me to try and comprehend. She had very high standards for her clients and her "gift" rate was very high @ $1000.00 for two hours minimum. She spoke at length about being taken on trips and being given gifts beyond what I could possibly imagine giving to someone I barely knew and knew only for that reason.

She had demonstrated on a couple of occasions that she had accumulated a bit of personal wealth as a result of her work. She at the ripe young age of 38 owned a large house on four acres of land. She owned three horses that her 16 year old daughter was using to learn to ride as an equestrian. She had claimed to have made upwards of $170,000 (all cash) in the year prior to our brief dating experience. Ultimately she went back to the business and I've since lost touch with her.

Outwardly she is a quite well adjusted person. Inwardly...I could never get close to her. She was very detatched about her past and had this idea that if she or I were to be in a realtionship that it would have to be on the basis that she could "go back to work" if she decided she ever wanted to do that. She also felt that she should be able to sleep with anyone if she felt the need and that it should be okay as long as she told me about it in advance. Of course that would have been okay for me as well. I couldn't agree to that so the brief relationship ended.

Her website is available for viewing but I won't post that here. PM me if you are interested in seeing it. There is a whole different world out there and seemingly the most normal among us will lead vastly different lives from our own. That was definitely the case for Lee.

She's quite beautiful but I couldn't date someone who is active in that business. As for the past... everyone has one. Some parts of it are better left there than brought back to the present.

God Bless ya Lee ... stay safe!

Midnight 08-19-2007 02:36 PM

hmm..... just saw this thread..

My best friend moved with "boyfriend X" to vegas, where she quickly found him tobe... mmm... not of her liking anymore. she left him and bunked in with a friend she had met, who turned out to be a "high class call girl". The money was a serious motivator for my friend, combined with the timeframe, and shes quite good looking, so she got into it.
It was her call to get into it, although circumstances gave her a little push, she could always have come back to chicago. (I'd have paid for her ticket home without blinking) She didnt, she is happy, she makes more money in working 2-3 days a week than I do in a month, shes discreet, careful, and laughs all the way to the bank. Her clients are all wealthy, business men, upper crust guys, that both do and dont have wives/women at home. not a looser in the bunch. She performs a service/services that they need/want and can afford to pay to have without entangling themselves in a relationship or by having the upkeep and aggravation of having a mistress.

would I pay to be with a person of her profession. no. I've never felt so inclined. would I if i DID "feel the need" for some kind of release? probably not, I'm a tightfisted bitch when it comes to money. If I didnt have to worry about the money? still no. I'm paranoid to a fault and scared to death of disease, no matter how careful someone seems. Do I see anything wrong with it? (someone using prostitutes) - Hell no. I'm all for its legalization, taxation and regulation (and was before my friend got involved) just as I am for pot (and dont use it either).

When you have things like prostitution and pot that have been legalized in other countries with great success, and you are living in a country that has massive national debt and they want to start taxing BOTTLED WATER.. why the hell don't they legalize gambling, prostitution and pot - which is all going on/being used daily ANYWAY and shows no sign of decline. institue laws over it (ie age limitations for purchase and usage), tax it (like they do our still legal vices, alchahol and tobacco) and utilize the taxes for education about it, healthcare issues arising because of it, and still have the remainder available to plow back into the "land of opportunity" that is rapidly becoming a decaying cesspool of misery and disrepair.

Sorry to those of you with moral confines that dictate your opposition on the matter.

james t kirk 08-19-2007 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackthorn
I wish I had more time to post a better and more thoughtful reply than this but in a word. Yes I have dated a woman who worked as an "escort". She was up front about her past which at first was a little bizzare for me to try and comprehend. She had very high standards for her clients and her "gift" rate was very high @ $1000.00 for two hours minimum. She spoke at length about being taken on trips and being given gifts beyond what I could possibly imagine giving to someone I barely knew and knew only for that reason.

She had demonstrated on a couple of occasions that she had accumulated a bit of personal wealth as a result of her work. She at the ripe young age of 38 owned a large house on four acres of land. She owned three horses that her 16 year old daughter was using to learn to ride as an equestrian. She had claimed to have made upwards of $170,000 (all cash) in the year prior to our brief dating experience. Ultimately she went back to the business and I've since lost touch with her.

Outwardly she is a quite well adjusted person. Inwardly...I could never get close to her. She was very detatched about her past and had this idea that if she or I were to be in a realtionship that it would have to be on the basis that she could "go back to work" if she decided she ever wanted to do that. She also felt that she should be able to sleep with anyone if she felt the need and that it should be okay as long as she told me about it in advance. Of course that would have been okay for me as well. I couldn't agree to that so the brief relationship ended.

Her website is available for viewing but I won't post that here. PM me if you are interested in seeing it. There is a whole different world out there and seemingly the most normal among us will lead vastly different lives from our own. That was definitely the case for Lee.

She's quite beautiful but I couldn't date someone who is active in that business. As for the past... everyone has one. Some parts of it are better left there than brought back to the present.

God Bless ya Lee ... stay safe!

Interesting story. She'd better hope that the taxman doesn't pay her a visit. (Assuming that she didn't pay any tax on that 170 in cash).

The money is huge for some escorts. They can make more than most doctors and lawyers even. Interesting thought that a woman's most valuable asset is her body. If you're a beautiful woman, you can make far more selling your body than pretty much anything else.

I would be able to date a former escort. I don't think it would be possible to have a serious relationship with an escort who was still working however. I guess it depends on the nature of the relationship. For me, she'd have to retire and yeah, I'd be ok with her past. Just hope that she didn't have too many demons as a result of her career as an escort.

Bill O'Rights 08-20-2007 04:46 AM

Could. Would. Have.


Of course, that was a long time ago. Before my first marriage even. But I'm not gonna turn all hypocritical now.

river_ratiii 08-20-2007 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valentina_J
I'm curious: What about the flip side of the equation? Would any of the men here be willing to date a woman who had worked as a prostitute?

No way. I have enough trouble getting my head around her past relationships...I doubt I could accept a girl with that past. :shakehead: :shakehead:

ssratt 08-21-2007 03:49 PM

I'd have no problem with it, otherwise it seems you look at them as living sex toys.
Even if she had problems with her past, as long as she was ready to seek help fine.
If she was using drugs to help her deal with it, it would really have to depend on the situation, what type,how long enough to get "strung out" on?
Relatively clean drug wise and clean health wise fine, just nothing with needles and willing to get help

777 08-21-2007 04:07 PM

I've looked into getting a hooker, and came across a site called Trooth Sayer. Google it.

Before finding that site though, let's just say that I would have been happier buying a Wii ;)

fooie 08-21-2007 05:21 PM

Although I have never engaged a prostitute, I might like to experience the "professional touch" with a woman who is expert in pleasing men.

tjenus 08-22-2007 06:21 AM

its not legal in my area, but there has been times when it would of bin cheaper to pay for it then chase it, in the end its up to the people involved, man or woman, ive have dated a few people in the past that i would of payed to get out of my life and move on, thanks

yubaba 08-22-2007 09:20 AM

like many others have said before, as long as there are 2 consenting adults, it's all good. I would never go to one myself, but sometimes I think that getting into the sex industry aka prostitution, call girl, stripper etc. could be the only way I would be able to earn a decent living as a student.

777 08-23-2007 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Mario Kart
Prostitution is already legal. Its called marriage, and secondarily, dating :cold:

I wouldn't call dating prostitution, since you don't always get what you pay for ;)

spindles 08-23-2007 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights
Could. Would. Have.


Of course, that was a long time ago. Before my first marriage even. But I'm not gonna turn all hypocritical now.

yep, this pretty much sums me up too.

I'm amazed at the amount of people citing health issues as a reason not to be involved with a prostitute. In Oz (at least) brothels are regulated, the ladies have regular health checks and condom use is mandatory. I'd think you would have more chance picking up a disease from a one night stand.

Derwood 08-23-2007 05:08 PM

I've never been tempted....well, the prostitutes in the red-light district in Amsterdam are AMAZING looking. But i'm married, etc.

Racnad 08-24-2007 08:55 AM

As for the question of whether is it easier for girls to get laid than guys....

A friend of ours recently got divorced. She could stand to lose 40 pounds or so, wears thick glasses and her face is average at best. She would not make a girlfriend who would impress the guys at the frat party.

On a Friday evening a month or so ago she was out and she pulled into a bar parking lot, rolled down the window and said to guy standing nearby "Look dude, I need to get laid and I don't want to deal with the bar scene right now. Will you come with me?" Needless to say, he took the offer.

When I was single, new pussy did almost literally fall into my lap on a couple of occasions, but only when I was lucky enough to be in exectly the right place at the right time (like the guy in the story above). How many guys can reliably go out and get laid that easily, other than with a prostitute?


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