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Miss Mango 05-01-2007 08:52 AM

Slut *NSFW*
 
I think the term 'slut' should be stricken from the vocabulary.
I don't think the concept does anything good.

But beyond that, heres my theory-
In some ways, sex is a certain kind of power that women have over men: Men want it, are taught to seek it, and the act in itself is a validation of male identity. If you pull women, you're a man, gosh darn it. Other men see that, and congratulate that man over his capability.

However I think that for women, even though they might enjoy it just as much as men, the act of sex does not affirm feminine identity. Women see one girl get with a lot of guys, but so what? They could do what it takes to do that if they wanted. So it's more like eating good food - It's nice, but it's not who you are. Feminine identity is derived by other means. However sex might be necessary as a tool of manipulation in order to get to that validating act or status.

Thus if a girl has sex with a lot of guys, she not exercising the tool towards the current socially agreed-upon feminine goal. She is giving up her power over men (who might be key to the sought after-status) in a mostly one-way transaction. She is giving without receiving.

Sex is not bad, nor is having it with everyone you want. What is bad is to not look out for your interests, and to allow yourself to be used without getting what you want.

I guess the current definition of 'slut' would be an overly derogatory description for someone with an inaccurately low self worth.
Unfortunately, it seems to be reserved for just girls. If I called a guy-friend a slut, he'd just chuckle.
Not only that, womens fear of social ostracization from such things strikes fear so deeply within them, I think words like this truly are a cancer.

This is one of the reasons I think feminism should be promoted, and masculism should be developed as it's mirror reflection and counterpoint. They are vehicles of academic and political development in order to better understand each other and fix those deep seated, festering gender issues in our society.

The number of men doesn't matter unless doing it undermines your goal with those men, be it a relationship, social status, gold-mining, their adoration, or whatever.

On the other hand, if you put out with a guy who does not bear any potential for you, then that's probably not too good. That's an uneven power transaction.

mixedmedia 05-01-2007 09:03 AM

I don't care for the word "slut" used in a derogatory fashion. People use it to describe a woman's activity that is, frankly, none of their business. And I believe society is titillated by female promiscuity in a way that is different from male promiscuity, as you alluded to in your post, Miss Mango. Titillated the same way we are about fetishes and proclivities, but oh so much quicker to make character judgements because of it. I don't understand the double standard. I don't like it. And especially when the word "slut" is used by a woman to describe another.

I've had this conversation before, though.

But, it also bears mentioning that I enjoy being called a slut by one I am close to in regards to our own personal sexual relationship. I don't think it's really reclaiming the word...just having fun with it.

FallenAvatar 05-01-2007 09:11 AM

The problem about the word is that it is centered around women only. I man that has man partners is a stud. A woman with many partners is a slut or a whore.

There's no fair justifcation for it.

pig 05-01-2007 09:18 AM

i have no problem with the term slut, used either in a friendly way in the context of a relationship, nor as a pejorative term. depending on how that pejorative is used; i personally use it for either gender, and only when someone is using sex to gain attention, in a situation where they don't actually want the "sex" itself. thus, say fuck all the people you want, be safe and have fun. don't fuck people so they'll pretend that they like you.

and although its a different topic that i won't get into here; i fully endorse the masculist movement as it pertains to the flip side of the feminist movement.

mixedmedia 05-01-2007 09:23 AM

Well, of course, I always like your way of thinking, pigglet, but unfortunately most people don't think that way. "Slut" is generally used to define any woman who sleeps with a lot of men for whatever reason. And, if need be, folks will ascribe whatever psychological justification to it that they can. Often just the fact that she does it is enough, though.

Society resents women who sleep around. And that's about that.

Infinite_Loser 05-01-2007 09:47 AM

It's just a word. If it didn't bother you, you wouldn't care.

pig 05-01-2007 09:49 AM

yeah, people are fuckers.

true story: two years ago (or so) i met a girl down in charleston sc; we'll call her doe. her best friend was/is a guy named (for the purposes of this thread) tralgon. so, its tralgon's b-day and after meeting / swapping phone numbers i take off with some friends. call the next day. get together about two weeks later, the 3 of us go out drinking. early morning waffle house. go to my buddy's place, buddy is out of town, i have house to myself. so put tralgon into a bed, doe and i proceed to hook up. next morning tralgon comes down stairs to the tangle that is doe and i on the couch, and says "come on slut, i've got to get moving" to which i instinctively replied "what???" before i realized he wasn't talking to me.

so i don't generally use the term for women i don't know somewhat and have an idea of what they're doing, why they're doing it, etc. if i do use it for a woman i don't know, its usually said as a compliment. "who, that girl? she strikes me as just the type of slut i'd like to meet." i just can't equate promiscuity with bad. i mean, do you want a woman who knows the next step in the routine or not? preferably one who can correct your technique or open new doors. those are great women, and i salute all of you! :thumbsup:

tisonlyi 05-01-2007 09:49 AM

My woman is my slut.

She loves it.

(They all have)

The_Jazz 05-01-2007 10:00 AM

Am I the only one hoping Commander doesn't find this thread?

"Slut" is a word like almost all others - connotation adds to meaning. In pigglet's story, I could argue that it wasn't necessarily a negative; I could also argue the opposite. It is entirely possible it had no meaning and was simply a throw-away line by an irritable, hung-over guy. As some of the women here demonstrated, the use can be incredibly complimentary.

For me, it is another word that I only use when quoting someone else.

mixedmedia 05-01-2007 10:09 AM

well, in pigglet's story, tralgon and doe (:lol:) are best friends so I imagine it to have been an off-color, but harmless, jibe...

it is solely the derogatory use of the word that I disapprove of...

pigglet may call me a slut any ol' time ;)

kylere 05-01-2007 10:17 AM

IMHO There are no sluts, it is one of those christian-anglo-male creations they use to place themselves above others in direct contradiction of their religion.

However there are women who can be slutty, but I think of that as just a trashy-sexy rather than a sophisticated-sexy. And sexy is good regardless of origin, some of us just prefer the Robin from "How I met your mother" sexy to the Joy from "My name is Earl" sexy.

When it all comes down to it, removing words is a dead horse because in essence they are basically just thoughtcrime, and that is not prosecutable. Now if dumb women would stop sleeping with men dumb enough to call them sluts, that would fix the problem in a few generations :)

pig 05-01-2007 10:20 AM

oh mixed, i take it on faith that you can strut your slut with the best of them. i think you might make me soil myself if i ever heard you say that ;)

in fact, although it might be a little threadjackey, but tralgon and doe were best friends and sort of fucked up in a way. tralgon had recently come out as bi (he's now full fledged gay i think) and i think doe was originally trying to hook me up with him, or they were scouting for a 3-way. i've got pierced ears and carry a purse sometimes, so its an understandable guess. it ended up that i only wanted to get frisky with her; it's entirely possible that tralgon was a little pissed that i went for doe at all. he's a good guy, but he does have a little bit of the stereotypical catty gay guy thing going on.

(back to thread) so it might not have been entirely friendly, as all good friends do, they had conversations with barbs in them.

regardless, i'm just saying that sometimes the word is appropriate, and i don't think it quite carries the kind of offensive status as something like 'nigger' or 'spic' or the like. frankly, i'm still a little bit miffed that i can't say 'fag' or 'gay' anymore. damn it, i grew up in the 80's!

so i'm keeping slut, but being selective about how i use it.

World's King 05-01-2007 10:42 AM

Whore.

pig 05-01-2007 11:27 AM

as an aside, the first thing i thought when i saw this thread was "Binwallah." I think shani might be the only other tfp'er to get that joke though.

mixedmedia 05-01-2007 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by World's King
Whore.

Prude.

pig 05-01-2007 11:49 AM

Bitches! You're all Bitches!

now, back to the slut thing: if we got rid of slut, we'd invent another word for it. it would evolve to have the same connotations; some people feel the need to get angry at people that are having more better sex than they are. and on top of that, if other people are having more better sex and wantonly enjoying it; that's just not to be tolerated even for one tiny instant! so while they quietly masturbate into their mothers socks or something, they curse those that delight in seminal explosions of delight betwixt their reruns of magnum pi and saved by the bell. i mean, the nerve!

mixedmedia 05-01-2007 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigglet
regardless, i'm just saying that sometimes the word is appropriate, and i don't think it quite carries the kind of offensive status as something like 'nigger' or 'spic' or the like. frankly, i'm still a little bit miffed that i can't say 'fag' or 'gay' anymore. damn it, i grew up in the 80's!

so i'm keeping slut, but being selective about how i use it.

personally, I think the word does carry a similarly offensive status when used in a pejorative sense...but like 'nigger' and 'spic' can be innocuous or, at least, not hateful depending on the situation and the people exchanging them...

It's when people judge and lord over others with their use of the word that I object to its use. And the fact that so many people approve of its legitimacy as a way of describing women who may have more sex than the average - that just bothers me. There is an obvious double standard...and the implication of shame, for women, hearkens back to puritan times. It also implies that women shouldn't need or enjoy sex as much as men.

I take exception to these tired old ideas. :)

pig 05-01-2007 12:19 PM

and well you should, take exception that is. i mean, its you, your body and your fucking habits and predilections. i don't think anyone who has passed through highschool can argue about the double standard; it exists. i do think its disappearing these days, but it's still there. then there's the flipside, where males are tacitly encouraged to fuck anything that moves to prove their manhood. also a bad image. i think everyone just needs to listen to more george michaels songs.

ShaniFaye 05-01-2007 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigglet
as an aside, the first thing i thought when i saw this thread was "Binwallah." I think shani might be the only other tfp'er to get that joke though.

I know this is a thread jack but I really wanna thank pigglet for my first real laugh this week

Zingelbert Bembledack! Yingybert Dambleban! Zangelbert Bingledack! Wingelbert Humptyback! Slut Bunwalla!

As far as the term slut goes.....I have long been annoyed that a woman can enjoy sex and have many partners and be considered a slut but a man is sometimes judged manly by their high numbers. Its not near as offensive to me as the word cunt though

and yeah, so its a word and Im offended by it....so what?

many many words are offensive to many many people and I dont "need to get over it"

pig 05-01-2007 12:36 PM

...Jerry Dorsey...no go back go back. ;)

spectre 05-01-2007 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigglet
as an aside, the first thing i thought when i saw this thread was "Binwallah." I think shani might be the only other tfp'er to get that joke though.

Cake or death? :D

james t kirk 05-01-2007 03:21 PM

Getting back to the thread, I despise the negative connotations to the word. I find those who use it in a negative light are often insecure about their own abililities, or more accurately inabilities as a lover. Men even in this day and age are very intimidated by sexually experienced and sexually skilled women.

As far as the word itself goes, certain words identify as masculine, others feminine. For example, you wouldn't call a woman a "creep" or a "jerk", or a "bastard" as those are pretty much reserved for males. Likewise, "bitch" "whore" and "slut" tend to be identified as strictly female. As such, when I hear the word being used, it most likely being aimed at a female and usually (though not always) in a derogatory way. (Red Hot Chilli Peppers being an exception that comes to mind.)

Therefore, when I hear the word I usually react against it. (And to be honest, I hear women using it somewhat more than men - women are often far more judgemental with other women than men are with women). I often think, well, what is a slut? How do you define a slut? A woman who enjoys sex and is not afraid to seek it out or accept the opportunity should it arise? Sounds fine to me.

Truth be told, that's actually what I want in a woman.

I've never been one to appreciate judgement of people's sexuality. (Lest I be judged for mine.)

Miss Mango 05-01-2007 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigglet
If we got rid of slut, we'd invent another word for it.

True 'nuf. I meant it as a concept though. Honestly I suspect that the idea of the slut was more-or-less invented by men in order to support such institutions as arranged marriage and to enforce the gender roles of the past.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigglet
Society resents women who sleep around. And that's about that.

I don't think that's immutable. I think this is something that can change with time and civil evolution. I mean, people don't really begrudge men who sleep around(as long as a rigid relationship isn't established)...
Hell, guys who get a lot of booty are actually less prone to insecurity, more prone to be confidence. And that trait enhances life in all areas. Why couldn't this dynamic work for women?

pig 05-01-2007 05:14 PM

mango, read the rest of my posts; you'll see that i agree. i think it can and it should and slowly, it is. whether it was "created by men" or not is going to be tough to prove; i personally suspect it arose based on a common social attitude prevalent in both men and women; an attitude based on patriarchal social structures which made sense a few hundred years ago. we just don't adapt very quickly to things like logic when it hits us in the gullet of social roles. or so i think.

edit: and spec i just knew you were good people....and do you want tea?

Ourcrazymodern? 05-01-2007 05:24 PM

So slut joins nigger among the words we may not say. Will we all be silent, eventually? Mind-to-mind communication would abrogate our individual packaging.

Miss Mango, you must think what you want, but you must not wish to throw words away!

mixedmedia 05-01-2007 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ourcrazymodern?
So slut joins nigger among the words we may not say. Will we all be silent, eventually? Mind-to-mind communication would abrogate our individual packaging.

Miss Mango, you must think what you want, but you must not wish to throw words away!


Use them all you want. It is about the mind behind the words more than the words themselves. Who here has said that you can't say them? But rather, may we not progress to a point where we don't think to say to them? Why hold onto ignorance? Are words more important than progress?

...and Mango, pigglet didn't say this, I did.

Quote:

Society resents women who sleep around. And that's about that.

pig 05-01-2007 06:16 PM

but hey mixed, i'll back your play on that statement. hold up, i did back it up. it's a strange thing, i almost made a jokey joke slut joke, but it so doesn't fit you that i can't bring myself to.

as with most of these things, i think the only thing that will actually cause any dent in stopping it, and the thoughts behind it, is one person at at time, displaying our disapproval of such sentiments and the rationale behind them.

MrFriendly 05-01-2007 06:44 PM

Yeah, not a word I would say to a girls face, even in jest.

I might describe a girl to someone else as "a bit of a slut", in the context that she's someone that uses sex to get what she wants or manipulate people.

By the same token I refer guys who are of the same ilk or do some pretty low things just to get sex as a 'slease bag'.

But it's more of a slight against them as a person as apposed to how sexually active they are.

Honestly I don't care how much sex people get or how many partners they whip through, guy or girl, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I'm the polar opposite to people who get around, and I don't feel abstaining makes me any more or less of a person, mainly because I just feel it's an important facet of who I am. So by that logic it doesn't bother me if someone sleeps around a lot, and to be perfectly honest, it's none of my business. If they want to share their experiences then I'll listen.

What I basically can't stand are cunts. People who use sex to manipulate other people, or people who lie or cheat just to get it. I also don't usually think much of people who think the amount of sex they have or the amount of partners they've gone through is some sort of measure of character or some how makes them better than anyone else. It's just sex. Ultimately, it's just one aspect of your life that means shit all if you haven't got the other aspects in order.

Anyways, that's my thoughts on it :-)

JumpinJesus 05-01-2007 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigglet

as with most of these things, i think the only thing that will actually cause any dent in stopping it, and the thoughts behind it, is one person at at time, displaying our disapproval of such sentiments and the rationale behind them.

How do we eliminate thoughts we deem unacceptable? And who's "we"? Will there be a committee to determine the acceptability of thoughts and then an executive force that will fan out amongst members of society to systematically eliminate those thoughts? How will they accomplish this?

I'm not sure I like this idea of proposing the elimination of thoughts and words of which we disapprove. It seems a little...Orwellian, don't you think?

pig 05-01-2007 06:55 PM

oh shizzle my nizzle, cause only the jj-vizzle can keep it so real. now, you're taking me out of context, so i'll break this down (like a fraction). 'we' in this case would be those of us who don't like wimmins being mischaracterized as dirty for being sexually active. and no, there won't be a committee; other than little committees like this one where we can all sit around and decide what we can agree on. its what we do. i mean, we decide certain things we like or don't like; things that are rational or aren't. we then decide to stick up for it. we then try to convince others. but if the idea doesn't catch, it doesn't catch. so yes, i'm talking about elimination of thoughts, so to speak, but only if everyone else agrees that it should be changed. sort of like we all pretty much agree that wimmins can wear pants to work.

/so glad you're here; now i'm working on a c:a post. i've been bizzy for a bit with real life stuff, but i'm a working on it. c:a will take some time to resurrect if we can do it at all.

analog 05-01-2007 11:24 PM

Words are words. Words are only credible as insults when you acknowledge that you feel victimized by them.

For example:

This chick called me "fatty" because I have a little bit of a belly (that I'm losing, btw). This was in response to me saying she's being overly worried about her friends who'd spent the night over my friend's apartment many times in the past after a night of drinking.

She thought it would be a good retaliation to call me fatty. Like I give a shit. I smiled nicely and told her I can lose weight but there's no cure for being a stupid cunt.

Amazing how her word was meant as an insult, and I didn't allow her to victimize me, but me calling her a stupid cunt practically set her into a rage. And no, I didn't respond to her name-calling with more name-calling because I felt insulted, I did it because I wanted to turn it around back on her, to show her how hurtful it can be.

Hell if I cared, though. That skank. ;)

mixedmedia 05-02-2007 04:16 AM

I'll say it again: it's not the words, it's the intent.

You may find it just fine and dandy to characterize women who dress a certain way or have X number of sexual encounters as sluts, but I disagree with those assessments. Why the hell not speak out about it? Since when am I obliged to approve of someone's ignorance? And I'll be damned if I'll ever find myself approving of it to "protect words."

Glory's Sun 05-03-2007 06:25 AM

hrmm

I like sluts. When someone calls a girl a slut.. I ask for her number.

Big fucking deal seriously. Slut, Bitch, Cunt, Manwhore whatever. People will call people what they will. If you get rid of all of the negative connotations of certains words, what will they be replaced with?? People need to learn to let things roll off their back. You call me a cunt.. so what? Is it really going to affect my life that a person called me a cunt or a slut? If it does then perhaps some self examination is in order.

mixedmedia 05-03-2007 06:43 AM

No, it doesn't really affect me or my life. And I have been called a slut in a judgemental and derogatory way.

What I don't understand is resistance to changing the way we judge women for their sexual behavior. You say you like sluts and that's great, but let's get real and admit that women are usually labeled as such in a way that says "this person is of a lower character than me" as if they were a thief or a liar.

I don't purport trying to strike the word from our vocabulary. That's not realistic. It just irks me that we're so quick to fall back on these tired, old ideas about women. And it's different from the manwhore thing. A man doesn't get that label until he's exhibited behavior that seems to warrant it. A woman can garner the label slut simply for the clothes she walks out of the house in or the way she acts. It's just stupid. It's gossipy and I don't see anything wrong with encouraging people to get past it.

JustJess 05-03-2007 06:59 AM

It's not about the word slut.... it's about the perception society has of someone labelled as a slut. If women who were more sexually active than societally accepted preset norms were called "buggaboos" instead... then this thread would be called "Buggaboos".

What we want to change is the perception that women shouldn't be having as much fun with sex, or as much sex, as men.

Go watch "This Film Is Not Yet Rated"... we've been watching it a bit, and it really comes down to this societal perception of women's sexuality as deviant. Example: "American Pie", he can fuck a pie showing his ass, or any horror movie with really disturbing violence sequences are okay. "Boys Don't Cry", they can't show a woman getting pleasure from oral sex - although no details are shown. It seems that anything other than missionary style sex is deviant to the MPAA.

To me... this illustrates the disconnect in typical perception of human sexuality as it relates to our patriarchal society. As stated above... men are encouraged to widen their sexual horizons - a threesome with two hot chicks? Great! 60 women? Impressive! But anything that doesn't fulfill a heterosexual male's fantasy is wrong. Two women? Hot. Two men? Disgusting. Experienced woman? Slut.

This issue is part of the greater evolution needed in our perceptions. Straight white males still hold the most power, and their stereotypical perceptions color all of our society's norms. What we want... is to modify those expectations and perceptions.

It's not a word. It's a social construct. It needs to be deconstructed.

Glory's Sun 05-03-2007 06:59 AM

well in my book.. which is quite long.. a slut is a slut. It doesn't matter what gender category they fall under. I understand the double standard but I've never held a woman to a lower standard because she's in charge of her sexuality and is having fun.

So while you can want people to change their views, and get passed a certain ideal; it's doubtful that it will ever take place. Humans are a silly jealous bunch and will call each other names till the end.

Also, I think in most cases, the easiest way to change this behavior is to ignore it. You call a girl a slut and she just smiles and ignores you and continues to have her fun.. and it will eventually sink in.

mixedmedia 05-03-2007 07:11 AM

People get past stupid, ignorant ideas all the time. It's called progress.

Glory's Sun 05-03-2007 07:18 AM

Sure people get passed ideas all the time and then they replace them with new stupid, ignorant ideas. It's the way of life.

There will always be a certain group or set of individuals who hold on to the ignorance.

How can they do this? Well tbh, it's their choice and their freedom to do so. They may be scorned by society, but in most cases, that holds little water when it comes down to it.

While I'd like to see the association with the word at least changed to not being a double standard, I'm firm in my belief that it just won't happen any time soon.

mixedmedia 05-03-2007 07:39 AM

Perhaps...but I really don't get your argument. Are you saying that I should just shut up? Not bother?

It seems you're arguing that no good comes from progress.

Glory's Sun 05-03-2007 07:41 AM

I'm just saying that progress while good is never fully complete.

So instead of getting pissy about a fucking word. Ignore the douche and do what you're doing. Things will progress with or without him/her.

mixedmedia 05-03-2007 07:45 AM

Granted.

Things progress by people talking about them.

And I'm not getting pissy at anyone about a fucking word.

abaya 05-03-2007 07:57 AM

How about a single standard? In my opinion, at some point, both men and women can sleep around too much for their own good. I hold no double standard to that effect... equal-opportunity judgment. :)

elydian 05-04-2007 11:44 AM

I don't think there's anything wrong with the word, in a general sense. I think it being attached to women is a thing of the past. I hear it used evenly between the sexes (maybe a British thing?)

I never use it in a derogatory sense, as I don't feel it's derogatory in this day and age. If you want to screw around, good for you, male or female.

I think when you say that men laugh it off when they're called one, that's merely because of the old notion of men sleeping around being "cool", and women sleeping around being "not cool". That's a taboo of society that is finally beginning to die a deserved death. I look forward to the day that men and women alike can be sluts and proud, and also, not be sluts and be proud, whatever floats their boat.

pig 05-04-2007 11:54 AM

see, this is just fucking not right. it used to be that i could sit around, drink beer and whiskey, piss on the floor, break shit and then force conjugal relations on my wife, and it was just called 'friday.' now you're telling me i can't call you a slut? where does the madness end?

women's suffrage...they almost got that right.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/pigglet/Ralph.jpg

one of these days....one of these days...

blade02 05-04-2007 05:12 PM

My theory on why the term and the double standard. Whether its society's fault, nature's fault, or whatever... some men feel like sleeping with a woman is an accomplishment. The harder you had to work for it, the bigger your accomplishment. Now if all of the sudden, there is a woman that you slept with, thats letting everyone sleep with her, your accomplishment isn't so great anymore. And if you feel like you put more work into than the others had to, you feel cheated. Hence the negative attitude towards the "easy" woman.

Is this attitude right? I'd say not. But it does explain the ideas behind the term.

mixedmedia 05-04-2007 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigglet
women's suffrage...they almost got that right.

Oh, yes...let the suffrage begin.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2.../kiss-foot.jpg


slut :p

Nimetic 05-05-2007 08:17 PM

I guess it implies an indiscriminate woman (sex-wise). At the same time, guys are expected to be fairly indistriminate - taking anything that's on offer.

In terms of the word, I never use it. Also - I've never thought that a guy who's "had" a lot of women is necessarily manly. In fact, I'd probably look down on them if these were public relationships, or if they are discussed publicly (or occur within) a social group. Private encounters I see of as different and ok.

shesus 05-05-2007 09:13 PM

I'm in the camp of: It's only offensive if you take offense to it. I'm not saying that I go around calling people sluts, but it does happen. I agree that it has a negative connotation. However, no one can control what others say. They can only control how they react to it. If someone is so sensitive about a word then maybe it is hitting close to home and they are stuggling with the issues themselves. For example, if a woman is upset about being called a slut, maybe she feels that she possibly is one according to society standards. I don't know what the magic number is. Actually, I don't think there is one. I think that people just set their own numbers and use that as the judgment for everyone.

Anyway, if we didn't have the word slut, I wouldn't have one of my favorite songs which I was listening to today in fact. Howlin' Maggie: I'm a Slut. I always loved shouting out that song at their concerts...and I did at the last 3 we went to. I died laughing when people who didn't know it was a title of one of their songs gave me a sideways glance. Guess they thought I wanted in the singer's pants or something. :lol:

Judy Taber 05-05-2007 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shesus
I'm in the camp of: It's only offensive if you take offense to it.

True, but how much more offensive a word can a lady be called? I sure can't think of one off the top of my head.

Willravel 05-05-2007 09:29 PM

I don't use the nigger word, the bitch word, the slut word or the cunt word. I don't kiss and tell or spit in public. I always use deodorant and my feet never stink. I say 'please' and 'thank you' whenever it's appropriate. I smile and make eye contact when I give a firm handshake. I open doors and pull out chairs.

It's about acting like an adult. Adults don't really use language like 'slut' because most adults understand that being sexually active, so long as one isn't a nymphomaniac, is not only normal but common. Adults know how to treat people with respect.

Judy Taber 05-05-2007 09:31 PM

James couldn't have said it any better, could he?

Willravel 05-05-2007 09:39 PM

Thanks!

Bond...James Bond

mixedmedia 05-05-2007 11:46 PM

I've said about five times now on this thread that it's not the word, it's the intent. If you use the word slut as a means of inserting your moral superiority or finer character over a woman then there's not much question of how that person should react to it. The same way one might react if they are unfairly called a liar. To place the burden of "dealing with it" on the accused is typical.

I've no doubt that there have been times in my life when the "societal standards" would consider me to be a slut. Ironically, the only time I was ever actually called a slut, I wasn't acting like one, lol. But luckily for me, I've pretty much been an active observer and critic of the hypocrisy of "societal standards" since about the time I first entered jr. high school and saw them in action. Particularly in regards to the expectations of women's behavior and in the veritably brutal way these expectations are perpetuated by women themselves.

So calling me a slut doesn't hurt me, in fact, sometimes I enjoy it very, very much. But that doesn't absolve someone who looks down on me or any other woman for being promiscuous or kinky or dressed provocatively from being an asshole. Nor does it disguise the fact that they react that way because they are quite threatened by it.

shesus 05-06-2007 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Judy Taber
True, but how much more offensive a word can a lady be called? I sure can't think of one off the top of my head.

That's a personal opinion, but I think cunt is worse.

MM: You seem to be trying to prove a point. I get that it's not the word. However, you seem to be trying to make it very clear that you don't care. Who are you trying to prove it to?

It sounds like you do care what people think. This is normal. Society is riddled with a guilt complex...especially around sex. I'm working with a friend of mine right now who is feeling a lot of self-hate towards himself for his sexual choices. It is sad that people have trouble being themselves because they take what other people think and say too seriously.

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
But that doesn't absolve someone who looks down on me or any other woman for being promiscuous or kinky or dressed provocatively from being an asshole. Nor does it disguise the fact that they react that way because they are quite threatened by it.

So, we're going to counter-attack with the word asshole? This is why the issue will never be resolved. People who truly don't care just shrug their shoulders and move on. Those who take offense take part in a name-calling war that never ends.

I'm so tired of the 'their just jealous' or as you put threatened stance as the main reason. My mom fed me that when I was little and I called bullshit. I still do usually. Some do pick on people because they are jealous, but it's not the only reason. Some pick on others to make themselves feel superior. And then there are those who just pick on everyone for the fun of seeing the reactions.

I will agree on making a personal moral call. But everyone is a judge of something. If you don't judge the morals, you judge the people who are making moral judgments. We are critical creatures by nature.

As I said before we can't control what others say, but we can control our reactions. Why let the namecallers of America who don't know me from Eve make me miserable? I know who I am and I'm happy with it. If everyone could accept their choices and be happy with who they are the connotations wouldn't bother them either. Too many people are out to prove that they are a certain way to people who don't matter to them. I have yet to understand why.

mixedmedia 05-06-2007 06:42 AM

It's more the intolerance I have for intolerance. It runs through most of my strongest opinions, especially regarding the way people behave with each other. I am aware that that makes me somewhat of an asshole, too. I am well aware of the hypocrisy and it bothers me, too. I am far from perfect, but I'm pretty sure that behind all the pretention and insufferability, that my ideas are right. :p

shesus 05-06-2007 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
I am far from perfect, but I'm pretty sure that behind all the pretention and insufferability, that my ideas are right. :p

*applause*
If I ever make it down to Florida, I'm buying you a beer my friend. This is one of the most refreshing sentences I have read. This is why I like having discussions with you.

OK, return to the regularly scheduled slut talk...

Halx 05-06-2007 07:23 AM

Any of you sluts feel like making it to NY?

mixedmedia 05-06-2007 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shesus
This is why I like having discussions with you.

Ditto. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halx
Any of you sluts feel like making it to NY?

Last time I checked there was no lack of sluts in NY.

But that said, I would love to make it in NY. :p

Sultana 05-06-2007 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia

But that said, I would love to make it in NY. :p

Make it *in* NY, eh? :lol:

Glory's Sun 05-07-2007 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by willravel
I don't use the nigger word, the bitch word, the slut word or the cunt word. I don't kiss and tell or spit in public. I always use deodorant and my feet never stink. I say 'please' and 'thank you' whenever it's appropriate. I smile and make eye contact when I give a firm handshake. I open doors and pull out chairs.

It's about acting like an adult. Adults don't really use language like 'slut' because most adults understand that being sexually active, so long as one isn't a nymphomaniac, is not only normal but common. Adults know how to treat people with respect.


That's funny.. I hear adults using "Bitch", "Slut" "Cunt" all the time. I don't see how using a grouping of words makes one person less adult than another. Perhaps it makes them their own person who doesn't feel like they have to cater to society's dillusion of moral.

Sure I can treat people with respect, and I do, however if I choose to call you a stupid Bitch Slut with a dirty Cunt.. I haven't lost any maturity.. it's just my reaction to you. People will call people what they will and will continue to do so. So to say that adults don't really use words like "slut, bitch, cunt, nigger etc" is pretty bold on your part and perhaps you need to spend some time outside of your own protected world.

mixedmedia 05-07-2007 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr
however if I choose to call you a stupid Bitch Slut with a dirty Cunt.. I haven't lost any maturity.. it's just my reaction to you.

:lol: you did mean this to be funny, didn't you? :lol:

Ourcrazymodern? 05-08-2007 07:19 AM

Would it offend anybody if I characterized myself as a slut?

"I just fucking love people"

People are so queer.

RenaissanceII 05-17-2007 09:54 AM

I am with mixedmedia on this one... Words and phrases that one would not use in normal daily communications, provided the SO(s) are comfortable with their use, and the context in which they are used (not in anger, fer instance), should be okay.

Of course this requires more Communication...

Willravel 05-17-2007 10:37 AM

Can we add NSFW to the title because of the imagery?

Thank you very much! People might owe you their jobs!

mixedmedia 05-17-2007 10:40 AM

Done. :)

pig 05-17-2007 11:28 AM

by the way babe, fantastic pic. and for you, i just might let you get away with it.

god, i'm such a slut :D

mixedmedia 05-17-2007 12:01 PM

and for you, precious pigglet, I just might get into it ;)

gawd, I'm such an irrepressible slut. :D

pig 05-17-2007 12:17 PM

Puh Puh Puh Pleaaaasseeee mixed ;)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29...ger_rabbit.jpg

tenniels 05-20-2007 06:52 PM

I wish the word wasn't used so liberally. Like everyone is getting called a slut. Girls that are virgins get called sluts, which totally bugs me, as does using any word outside of it's meaning. I think that guys can be sluts too, and I find that more recently I am hearing it used to describe guys and girls more equally.

Philangicality 06-04-2007 12:22 AM

In general, a sucessful man, in the eyes of other men, uses his sexuality to fuck as many women as possible in his life, and a sucessful woman, in the eyes of other women, is one who fucks one man and conrolls him with her sexuallity. It is healthy to be somewhere in between, but it is more fun to be on the ends.

IT2002 06-12-2007 09:21 AM

Do you know what Tulsa is backwards?

A slut



Do you know what a slut is backwards?

50 bucks.


I'm sorry, I couldn't stop myself. :no:

But really, I don't advocate the banning of words. If you ban one derogatory word, you have to ban them all. As Mixed has said, we can object to the intent behind how a word is used.

vanblah 06-12-2007 10:45 AM

A quick glance at the OED says that the word first appeared around 1402:

Quote:

Originally Posted by OED
A woman of dirty, slovenly, or untidy habits or appearance; a foul slattern.

A "slattern" means basically the same thing.

I hope that this has helped clear things up ... or not. :)

Ourcrazymodern? 06-16-2007 06:42 PM

slut has one syllable
and fits poorly in haikus
though nicely elsewhere.

Hell, we might all be sluts if we thought about it.

no, I didn't edit this twice. Yes, I did.

Give a slut a break.:expressionless:

KungFuGuy 06-17-2007 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guccilvr
That's funny.. I hear adults using "Bitch", "Slut" "Cunt" all the time. I don't see how using a grouping of words makes one person less adult than another. Perhaps it makes them their own person who doesn't feel like they have to cater to society's dillusion of moral.

Sure I can treat people with respect, and I do, however if I choose to call you a stupid Bitch Slut with a dirty Cunt.. I haven't lost any maturity.. it's just my reaction to you. People will call people what they will and will continue to do so. So to say that adults don't really use words like "slut, bitch, cunt, nigger etc" is pretty bold on your part and perhaps you need to spend some time outside of your own protected world.

People use words like fuck,bitch,cunt, and slut in anger situations much like Gorillas holler scream and beat the ground before a confrontation.

I found it interesting that you mentioned "society's dillusion of moral", because while the wording was awkward, I think I agree with you.

Harsh language is really just a way for people to vent, much like gorillas and their beating the ground and their chest. Society just kind of makes people deny their inner animal instincts with a layer of "nice-ness" and "morals" on top of tens of thousands of years of instinct.

You know how a male gorilla will chase around a female gorilla in season to mate, even if she's not all that into it? There's a reason why rough sex is so much fun. It's awesome if both partners are into it. I see nothing wrong with using slut or cunt in the bedroom.

I haven't really thought out the rest of this, I just get tired of people hiding their animalistic instincts through things like chivalry, morals, and polite society. It's one thing to be polite and well mannered, it's another to deny yourself for the sake being those.


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