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It no longer matters - the VP himself has stated that HE can declassify documents. The Pres. is no longer needed. Just ask him - he'll tell you again.
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A> Can Cheney do that? I mean, legally, not "I say, therefore it is true".
B> Is revealing a covert CIA agent's name in order to harm and discredit someone who disagrees with administration policy a good thing for a VP to do? C> Do the actions of the Bush white house define "good", and such any action done by a member of the Bush white house are "good"? Just wondering. =) |
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Some new details emerging about the leak and its origins. Looks like this one came all the way from the top... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060406/...NlYwMlJVRPUCUl Quote:
Edit: woops, meant to say *congress*, not senate. ;) |
Saw that.
Yeah, I'm starting to get fed up of all this, regardless of truth or falicy. Is it 2008 yet? Senate presides over the Impeachment hearing, the House has to draw up the articles. You'd think maybe he should follow Nixons lead here at some point, I mean he simply can't be effect as our leader. Not saying I want Kerry or Clinton at the helm, but get fucking serious. |
Mojo, I am concerned about a number of things regarding Bush policy. I see no advantage to a successful impeachment of Bush, if that leaves us with Cheney. I believe he and Rumsfeld (among other necons) are the actual architects of the current mess we are in.
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Well I wasn't so much addressing problems in policy, that's all this administration really has going for it. I agree that the whole administration would need to be removed seeing as to alot of these implications name severely members. I think he should resign, at least attempt to keep politics out of it.
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Another source, Jason Leopold, has been following and reporting on the Plame leak. You can find Wiki information about him here Leopold if you wish to check out his credentials.
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The only other ways are to hope to stall this one out until 2008 or for Bush to take responsibility for his people. Yep, it could be a very interesting year ahead of us. |
Uber, I think they only need to stall long enough to get through the midterm elections without another major scandal or revelation. Seven months is all that is needed.
Libby may have agreed to be the sacrificial lamb, as did Tenant. We won't know until Libby's lawyers play their cards. |
What do you suppose they get in return? Haliburton or Enron shares?
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If this did come directly from Bush and he indeed has the ablity to declassify information for any reason no matter how underhanded will anything come of this? In addition, if it did come from Bush what about the statement from Bush to fire anyone to have been found involved in the leak? If he knew it was himself that was responsible and he told the American public this what does this do for his credibility to the American people?
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I think it's a way to pin everything on an unpopular president to try and save the party.
No one can do anything to Bush, so he takes the heat and since he is oblivious to the people's opinions he won't even notice. Meanwhile the party can distance themselves from him find the 2008 candidate and not worry about this going any further. Just a guess. |
I'd like to say I'm surprised that Bush would blatantly lie to the American people but I can't. I'd also like to say that something will result from this but I can't do that either.
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It seems to me that when the congress and the president all belong to the same party their is no recourse from the american people to hold the president responsible for his actions. I think that our government is broken when one party controls everything.
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i am not surprised.
i am surprised, however, that this matter seems to have as much traction as the range of--um---problems associated with the iraq debacle. and even more that a country so "free" as this is facing yet more time under the aegis of this administration. these people make a very strong case for systemic change, one that would perhaps involve the possibility of a vote of no confidence or some other mechanism to depose an adequately corrupt/inept/criminal administration. two strange logical loops: 1. an edito in this morning's ny times outlines the problems created by this for the bush people---the endlessly repeating statements about leaks "damaging the nation"--squared with the leaks from bush direct in this matter---the conclusion: this administration understands itself to BE the american nation, to BE the american people. its partisan interests and those of everyone are identical. by damaging the bush administration's absurd case for war in iraq, damage was being done to the american nation. so the leak follows, as does the apparently inconsistent actions at once leaking and deploring leaks. 2. in the past couple days i read somewhere a survery of various legal folk who were called up by a reporter and asked about the legal problems this revelation might cuase for bushco---among the responses were: the action is legal because the president is, himself, the source of the distinction between classified and not classified documents. so he cannot really break the laws against leaking classified information--because the act of "leaking," carried out by the president, amounts to a de facto declassification of the information. this reflects a strange and dangerous quirk in the legal thinking of the administration itself--their reliance on carl schmitt---you saw this in the glorious trail blazed by john yoo in the context of the "creative" reading of the word torture for example--for schmitt, sovereignty resides not with the people--as it is alleged to in this fine american pseudo-democracy--but rather with the person of the sovereign. who is the source of law and so is positioned both within and outside the legal system itself. by this logic, violations of law by a sitting president could be resolved in the direction outlined above with reference to the leak--as the source of law, the sovereign cannot be held accountable within the frame that he grounds. schmitt's legal theoretical work is mostly about the state of exception or emergency. it is a critique of parliamentary democracy--and the idea that sovereignty resides with the people by extension--on the grounds that it is too diffuse, too slow--it relies too much on debate--a state of exception requires Decision and only a single individual--a sovereign, a Leader, a Dictator--can make Decisions. democracy is all blah blah blah.... so in a state of exception, the Leader *is* the nation, his interests, partisan or otherwise *are* the interests of the nation. the alarming thing is that you can lay this schmitt business over the actions of the bush squad and it makes sense of their actions. if the administration really operates through this set of assumptions, then the diagnosis that would accompany the recent wholesale collapse of any credibility enjoyed by these folk outside the confines of the hardcore right could easily be linked to problems in the perception of the state of exception. so, it would follow that, since the interests of the administration and those of the people are identical, the people's interests could be best served by a renewal of the perception that they are, in fact, in a state of exception. at this point, the only real hope would be another big explosion. it worked out pretty well in september 2001. |
I am posting the following article because it provided some clarification to my own confusion. I don't consider John Dean a neutral observer, because he was Nixon's appointed scapegoat. He declined the "appointment" and it appears that Libby has done the same. He must be quite familiar with the politics of Cheney and Rumsfeld under the Nixon administration.
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Corporate media doesn't even read the break through reporting of it's own reporters, (2nd quote box) as it tries to provide "cover" for Bush in this pathetic editorial:
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by failing to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the "fixing of the facts to match the policy", by the Bush administration, to launch the unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation, Iraq. Indeed, even after senate democrats made headlines by walking out of the senate, last november, to protest the lack of follow through of a promise to investigate the administration's handling of pre-invasion intelligence, made in July, 2004 by Sen. Pat Roberts, chairman of the SSCI, doesn't it appear that the only "check" on the president as unindicted war criminal (the crime is waging aggressive war) is the relentless and methodical determination of one federal prosecutor, Plame leak investigator, Patrick Fitzgerald? |
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