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Old 12-18-2007, 07:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Rate Ron Paul's performance on Glenn Beck tonight

Not a plug! Moderators please decide if appropriate.

I'm not a Ron Paul supporter. However, if any of you are interested...

Ron Paul will be featured for 1 hour on CNN Headline's Glenn Beck program tonight at 7 PM, 9 PM and Midnight (eastern time). It should be informative, so a new thread based on your post-interview commentary may be helpful and provide new insight.
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Old 12-18-2007, 09:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Following are two excerpts from the May 14 [2004] broadcast of The Glenn Beck Program:

BECK: It is truly amazing to see the photos of uh -- of Nick Berg's dad out on the lawn just preaching to the choir about how he's gonna be on stage for an International A.N.S.W.E.R. [Act Now to Stop War & End Racism] rally that is uh, rallying the people against racism and the war in just a couple of weeks -- don't forget the date. It's truly amazing stuff. Then he came out yesterday also and said, "Well, ya know, al Qaida MAY be as bad as the Bush administration." [long pause] I'm supposed to feel bad for this guy. I'm supposed to say at this point, "You know, he's grieving, and so you can understand how upset he is." But I really can't. Um, I -- I -- I -- I could get on and I can fake that I'm really -- you know, that I understand his statements and I, you know, feel bad for him. And I do feel bad for him. Some of the statements I do understand. I can give him the benefit of the doubt on some of the statements, but not the -- not the collective whole. <h3>I'm beginning to really dislike this guy. I'm beginning to question, you know, "Can you let your son's body become the same temperature as your son's head before you turn this into a political campaign against the president -- could you do that?"</h3>

BECK: I find this guy [Michael Berg] despicable. Everything in me says that. The want to be a better person today than I was yesterday says he's a dad, he's grieving, but I don't buy that. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. <h3>I think he is grieving, but I think he's a scumbag as well. I don't like this guy at all."</h3>

The Philadelphia-based Glenn Beck Program is syndicated on more than 100 stations across the United States by Premiere Radio Networks, Inc., a subsidiary of Clear Channel
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From the May 17 [2005] broadcast of The Glenn Beck Program:

BECK: Hang on, let me just tell you what I'm thinking. I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus -- band -- Do, and I've lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, "Yeah, I'd kill Michael Moore," and then I'd see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I'd realize, "Oh, you wouldn't kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn't choke him to death." And you know, well, I'm not sure.

Beck's program is syndicated by Premiere Radio Networks (owned by radio conglomerate Clear Channel Communications) on more than 160 radio stations across the country to an estimated audience of 6 million listeners. He has previously falsely accused Moore of "taking help and money from Hezbollah" and called Michael Berg, who criticized the Bush administration after his son Nick was beheaded in Iraq, "despicable" and "a scumbag."
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From the September 9 [2005 ]of The Glenn Beck Program:

BECK: Let me be real honest with you. I don't think anybody on talk radio --<h3> I don't think anybody in their right mind is going to say this out loud</h3> -- but I wonder if I'm the only one that feels this way. Yesterday, when I saw the ATM cards being handed out, the $2,000 ATM cards, and they were being handed out at the Astrodome. And they actually had to close the Astrodome and seal it off for a while because there was a near-riot trying to get to these ATM cards. My first thought was, it's not like they're going to run out of the $2,000 ATM cards. You can wait! You know, stand in line. Maybe it's because I'm the kind of guy, when I go to a buffet, I either have to be first in line, or I'm the very last. Because I know there's going to be extra food, and I just won't stand in the line. I'll wait until all the suckers go get their food, and then I'll go get mine. Or if I'm really hungry, I hate to admit this -- and really, I don't even have to be really hungry. If I'm really being a pig, I will kind of, like, hang out around the buffet table before the line is -- you know, chat with people right around the table: "Oh, they just opened the line! Let's go!" And then you're first in line.

When you are rioting for these tickets, or these ATM cards, the second thing that came to mind was -- and this is horrible to say, and I wonder if I'm alone in this -- <h3>you know it took me about a year to start hating the 9-11 victims' families? Took me about a year.</h3> And I had such compassion for them, and I really wanted to help them, and I was behind, you know, "Let's give them money, let's get this started." All of this stuff. And I really didn't -- of the 3,000 victims' families, I don't hate all of them. Probably about 10 of them. And when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, "Oh shut up!" I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining. And we did our best for them. And, again, it's only about 10.

<h3>But the second thought I had when I saw these people and they had to shut down the Astrodome and lock it down, I thought: I didn't think I could hate victims faster than the 9-11 victims.</h3> These guys -- you know it's really sad. We're not hearing anything about Mississippi. We're not hearing anything about Alabama. We're hearing about the victims in New Orleans. This is a 90,000-square-mile disaster site, New Orleans is 181 square miles. A hundred and -- 0.2 percent of the disaster area is New Orleans! <h3>And that's all we're hearing about, are the people in New Orleans. Those are the only ones we're seeing on television are the scumbags</h3> -- and again, it's not all the people in New Orleans. Most of the people in New Orleans got out! <h3>It's just a small percentage of those who were left in New Orleans, or who decided to stay in New Orleans, and they're getting all the attention.</h3> It's exactly like the 9-11 victims' families. There's about 10 of them that are spoiling it for everybody.

Beck's program is syndicated by Premiere Radio Networks (owned by radio conglomerate Clear Channel Communications) on more than 160 radio stations across the country to an estimated weekly audience of 3 million listeners.
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From the January 10 [2006] broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:

BECK: Honestly, who's a bigger prostitute? Heidi Fleiss or Terrell Owens? Who's the person out there -- who's the bigger prostitute: Heidi Fleiss or Howard Dean? No, not even Howard Dean. John Kerry. Who's the bigger prostitute? Who'll do anything for power or money? I mean, at least Heidi Fleiss -- this is saying something -- at least Heidi Fleiss will admit to being a prostitute. You know what I mean? At least she'll say, "Hey, I'm doing it for cash."

[...]

<h3>BECK: Cindy Sheehan. That's a pretty big prostitute there, you know what I mean? I mean, more of a -- Stu, what did we call her when she was in the news? Not a prostitute.

STU: Yeah, we eventually got to "tragedy pimp." Because we believe she's actually pimping the prostitute out.</h3>

BECK: Correct.

STU: Which I think is actually the most accurate description.

BECK: Pretty hard to beat prostituting your son's death. Don't you think?
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rom the August 10 [2006] broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:

BECK: And again, and I told you before we ever went into Iraq we're not going in there for weapons of mass destruction. That's important and that's great and everything else. We're going in there because Iran is the root of all evil over there. Iran is the root of all of the problems over there. And that's why we were going in. Well, Iran knows that, and now that we are really deep in the battle -- and everybody else might think -- I mean, all these just imbeciles who are, "What are we doing over in Iraq?" Read. For the love of Pete, read. Open your eyes.

The world is on the brink of World War III. That's what we're doing over in Iraq. Now I'm not saying that we're in the best position in Iraq, I'm not saying I agree with necessarily the way we fought it in Iraq, but that's what we're doing in Iraq. And, we gotta stop -- I'm telling you, soon the time will come when they will drop 10 planes into the drink, and if what I said is true, and I hope it's not, what I said is true that Iran may not be stalling for time for the nuke. Iran may be ready to play their endgame. If that is indeed is true, when you see somebody drop 10 planes into the Atlantic, Iran is going to make its move. At the time Iran makes its move, they are going to move right through Iraq and they are going to move all the way to Israel. And the whole Middle East is going to be on fire.

And when that happens, the terrorists are going to bomb the oil fields. When that happens, when you see 10 planes go into the Atlantic Ocean, and if Iran is ready, that's when they're going to make their move in the Middle East and that's the same time within two days that's when Venezuela will shut the oil down over here. And I'm telling you it's coming. And at that point, you know what happens? <h3>All you Muslims who have sat on your frickin' hands the whole time and have not been marching in the streets and have not been saying, "Hey, you know what? There are good Muslims and bad Muslims. We need to be the first ones in the recruitment office lining up to shoot the bad Muslims in the head." I'm telling you, with God as my witness, America is -- no I'm not going to make this an American thing -- human beings are not strong enough, unfortunately, to restrain themselves from putting up razor wire and putting you on one side of it. When things -- when people become hungry, when people see that their way of life is on the edge of being over, they will put razor wire up and just based on the way you look or just based on your religion, they will round you up. Is that wrong? Oh my gosh, it is Nazi, World War II wrong, but society has proved it time and time again: It will happen.</h3>

The time to solve these things is when there's somewhat reasonable people engaged. But once you cut our oil supply off, once you set the Middle East on fire, and once you drop 10 planes into the Atlantic Ocean, the razor wire is coming. And our whole world looks different.
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From the September 5 [2006] edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck:

BECK: Here's the deal. I'm going to -- I'm going to tell you something that -- you can't take it out of context. You need to listen to the whole thing. So, I'm going to make a deal with you. You give me five minutes tonight, and I'll explain this, but if you can't give me the next five minutes, change the channel right now.

<h3>All right. Here it is. Tonight's exclusive: In 10 years, Muslims and Arabs will be looking through a razor wire fence at the West. Here's how we got there.</h3>

Recently, the first Muslim to be crowned Miss England warned that stereotyping members of her community is leading other Muslims towards extremism and terrorism. She said, quote, "Even moderate Muslims are turning to terrorism to prove themselves. They think they might as well support it, because they're stereotyped that way anyway," end quote.

Thanks for the insightful geopolitical analysis, teenage beauty queen.

Let's just say I was profiled as a pedophile, and every time I went to Disney World, the Disney police would stop me and say, "You, not so much." Here's what I would do. I'd be annoyed. I'd probably stop going to Disney World, and I might even start hanging out with other people who were having the same kind of problem, provided they weren't actual pedophiles.

I wouldn't ever, however, ever say to myself, "Aww, you know what? I mean, everybody thinks I'm a pedophile anyway. I might as well start downloading child porn and molesting kids."

Why wouldn't I do that? Because I'm not an actual pedophile or child molester, but according to Miss England's logic, I'd be perfectly justified in doing so.

<h3>This is a great example of why I think, since 9-11, Americans have gotten so fed up with the "yes, but" Muslims. The "yes, but" Muslims are the ones who show up on talk shows and in the media and say, "Yes, terrorism is bad, but" -- and then they go through a list of reasons on why we should try and sympathize with people who fly planes into buildings.</h3>

I also hear a lot about Islam being a religion of peace, that terrorists aren't true Muslims. Fine. OK. I believe that. But if you do accept that, then you can't really go along with Miss England and the rest of the "yes, buts" and say, "Oh, gee, maybe it is our fault. We're making good Muslims go bad." Which is it?

You, Miss England, are either spot on, as the British say, or you're dead wrong, because if, God forbid, there's another attack, we won't have anymore patience for the "yes, buts."

<h3>The Muslim community better find a spokesman who isn't a "yes, but" Muslim. They shouldn't even understand the word "but," because if they don't, when things heat up, the profiling will only get worse, and the razor wire will be coming. That's why.</h3>

Tonight, here's what I know. We are sick and tired of the "yes, but" crowd. I don't even care what precedes it. There's no excuse for flying planes into buildings, kidnapping journalists, and random beheadings.

You want the profiling to stop? Then, here's an idea. Stop murdering innocent people. Stop excusing the people who do. You do that for a while, and I guarantee you won't have any more problems at the airports. Stop blowing stuff up and the world just might be your oyster.

Otherwise, it's going to be like that movie, The Siege. You remember that movie? <h3>The Muslims will see the West through razor wire if things don't change.</h3>

I also know the Muslim community is in trouble. Everybody seems to be in denial. It's been reported that the FBI may be testing for radiation outside mosques in Dearborn. Is that the way Muslims want to live? I don't think so.

Look, I'm not saying all Arabs and Muslims are anti-American. Far from it. We should get to know these people and embrace the good Muslims, and eliminate the bad ones.

Here's what I don't know. <h3>I don't know if the Muslim community will ever step to the plate like the Japanese-American community did during World War II. You know, it was absolutely disgraceful how we rounded innocent people up then and, sadly, history has a way of repeating itself no matter how grotesque that history might be. The Muslim community can prevent this if they act now.</h3>

But I also don't know why Muslims everywhere aren't kicking up dirt over what Miss England had to say. If Islam truly condemns terror, then why isn't anybody coming out and saying, "No matter how bad things get, our religion forbids terrorism, period"? To the casual observer, the silence makes her appear to be right.

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BECK: OK. Walid, let me ask you, extraordinarily politically incorrect question. If I were flying with you on September 18th, 2001, and I saw you come on board, just -- just the worst part of me only based on what you look like, I would have thought to myself, "Uh-oh, have we checked this guy?"

Now, you experience this every day, just based on what you look. <h3>Is there anything that could happen to you that you would start to say, "You know what? I might as well start blowing up planes?"</h3>

PHARES: No, of course not. I mean, it is up to my psychology, to my culture, to how I see the world.
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December 4, 2006
With Brash Hosts, Headline News Finds More Viewers in Prime Time
By NOAM COHEN

“No offense, and I know Muslims. I like Muslims.”

Thus began Glenn Beck, a conservative talk-radio host who is six months into his own prime-time show on CNN Headline News, as he interviewed Congressman-elect Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to the House, on Nov. 14.

“With that being said, you are a Democrat. You are saying, ‘Let’s cut and run,’ ” Mr. Beck continued. “And I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, <h3>‘Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.’ ”</h3>

Mr. Beck’s incendiary question didn’t seem to rankle Mr. Ellison (“There’s no one who’s more patriotic than I am,” he replied), but it did provoke a lot of public criticism, as has his recent “war on ‘Happy Feet,’ ” the animated penguin movie featuring the voices of several celebrities. Mr. Beck says the film promotes a radical environmental agenda.

But then, Mr. Beck’s unfiltered approach is what executives at the network say made them court him as they transform Headline News in prime time to Headline Prime, “from news to views,” in the words of Kenneth Jautz, the CNN executive in charge of the network.

Along with Nancy Grace, a lawyer whose show appears at 8 p.m., Mr. Beck is part of a nearly two-year-old experiment to reinvent Headline News from a series of quick news summaries into a brasher, personality-driven talk-TV format along the lines of Fox News’s evening line-up.

So far, the experiment is a success. Since his arrival in May, Mr. Beck has increased the ratings in his 7 p.m. time period 60 percent among all viewers, and 84 percent among viewers aged 25 to 54. Ms. Grace has largely retained the triple-digit percentage increases in her time period from the year before.

While the daytime ratings at Headline News have grown a modest 10 percent in that prime demographic since 2004, Headline Prime’s ratings are up 48 percent, although Headline Prime still trails CNN, MSNBC and Fox News, by far the leader.....
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From the March 15 [2007] edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:

BECK: I don't want to sound like the old ball-and-chain guy, but Hillary Clinton cannot be elected president because -- am I wrong in feeling, am I the only one in America that feels this way? -- that there's something about her vocal range. There's something about her voice that just drives me -- it's not what she says, it's how she says it. She is like the stereotypical -- excuse the expression, but this is the way to -- she's the stereotypical bitch, you know what I mean? She's that stereotypical, nagging, [unintelligible], you know what I mean? And she doesn't have to be saying -- she could be saying happy things, but after four years, don't you think every man in America will go insane? Is it just me? I mean, I know this is horrible to say, but I mean it not -- I would say this if she were Condi Rice and she sounded like that. Condi Rice doesn't have that grate to her voice. You know what I need to do? I need to talk to a vocal expert, because there is a range in women's voices that experts say is just the chalk, I mean, the fingernails on the blackboard. And I don't know if she's using that range or what it is, but I've heard her in speeches where I can't take it.

[...]

BECK: Am I alone? Dan [Andros, producer]? Have you noticed that about her?

ANDROS: Oh my gosh, she could be talking about how she's giving every American a million dollars, and I'm hearing, "Could you take out the garbage now, please?"

BECK: That really is what it is. I just, I don't -- I thought it was just me. And maybe it is.

[...]

BECK: I'm sorry for being such a pig. But please, America. Please. I don't think I could do it for four years. I mean, sure the country is going to go to hell in a handbasket, but could we make this about me for a second? I just don't think I could take it from her.

[...]

BECK: You know Khalid Shaikh Mohammed has confessed to 9-11 and trying to kill President Carter. Why would you try to kill President Carter? He's on your side, for the love of Pete. No, he -- that hasn't been confirmed? We should check into it because I read it on a blog someplace. Why would you -- if Jimmy Carter's son could just be elected president, then all of us in talk radio could get on and say, "We're only going to war because Jimmy Carter's son wants to repay these people." "Daddy. They tried to kill Daddy."
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On the June 28 [2007] broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Glenn Beck commented on a mock ad -- produced by subscribers to his website known as "Insiders" -- depicting a "giant refinery" that produces "Mexinol," which, according to the ad, is a fuel made from the bodies of illegal immigrants from Mexico. Beck read from the ad: "At Evil Conservative Industries, we know four things for certain. The country needs cheap, alternative fuel source. Two, the human body is 18 percent carbon. Three, carbons can be turned into hydrocarbons. Four, we have a buttload of illegal aliens in our country."

Beck continued to read from the ad: "Evil Conservative Industries is proud to present the fuel of the future, Mexinol. A clean-burning, cheap alternative to gasoline, Mexinol's future seems unlimited in its potential. There are other gasoline alternatives available such as ethanol. However, Mexinol has certain advantages from corn. Corn has to be grown, harvested, and processed. With Mexinol, raw materials come to you in a seemingly never-ending stream. Go ahead and purchase that boat-sized SUV. There's plenty of Mexinol for everyone."

Beck introduced the discussion by saying, "Sometimes the Insiders go too far," and later said, "I don't think we need to make the illegal aliens into fuel." Beck also said, "That would be evil conservative, yeah. I don't even know if that's conservative. That would be ... [p]sychotic, perhaps? Sociopathic, perhaps?" Beck's executive producer and head writer, Steve "Stu" Burguiere, added, "Just evil, pretty much." However, as of June 29, the ad was posted on the front page of Beck's website under the title "Picture of the Day," with a caption that described the "ad" as a "brilliant creation."
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From the March 22 [2007] edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck:

BECK: OK. The pledge that you asked him to sign that he wouldn't.

INHOFE: Yeah.

BECK: He didn't even answer the question on that.

INHOFE: He uses 20 times the amount of energy as the average American and, yet, if you will look at the -- this movie, this thing that he has on, the last slide says: "Are you ready to change your -- the way you live?"

Now, so I said, "Are you ready to change the way you live, 'cause you're consuming 20 times the amount of energy?" and he would not respond to it. I asked him three times if you go back and review the tape.

BECK: Right.

INHOFE: So, I think that's it. Here's what we need to do. We had a pledge for him to sign, just to do what he's asking the rest of America to do, and I think, every week or two, we should say, "All right, it's been two weeks now. Have you signed the pledge yet?"

BECK: It is really -- one of the things in it that I heard yesterday in his testimony that I thought was disturbing was this -- <h3>what did he call it? -- a massive persuasion campaign. That sounded a little bit like Goebbels or Gore-bels.</h3>

INHOFE: Well, yeah. But also, we had a chance -- and this plays into this. In New York, there was a bunch of his people -- and this is The New York Times; they all love him -- and yet they said in The New York Times that he is getting so extreme in some of his examples that he's hurting his own cause.

BECK: Right.

INHOFE: And I told him that. And that is happening. I'm recognizing. We're seeing a major shift, Glenn, of the people who are his top supporters are coming over now and saying, "Hey, wait a minute. Let's look at the science again. This [inaudible] thing isn't working."

BECK: Hey, you know, Senator, I tend to agree with you on the fact that he's going to hang himself. I mean, he's -- to me, it almost seems like he is going to be the next Cindy Sheehan, where the Democrats ran out to embrace Cindy Sheehan and get their photo taken and be there when it was hot, but then, once the Cindy Sheehan thing started to be exposed on who she really was, I mean, you can't -- you won't find those pictures of those people anywhere.

INHOFE: I think that -- I think that's a great analogy, because, right now, if you watch very carefully, he'll -- he prides himself in trying to intimidate people or being condescending, and that just doesn't play. You know, people -- there's nothing wrong with humility. He ought to try it sometime.

BECK: Senator, when he was talking about some of the programs, I cannot help but think that -- what a lot of people don't -- you know, the freshmen in college that are, you know, gung-ho on the Earth, what they don't understand, because they haven't been around long enough, is that this really is nothing but a tax program.

There are millions, billions, and, globally, trillions of dollars at stake here, and that's what really this is all about, isn't it? A tax program?

INHOFE: It really is. Now, what I tried to do, is I said -- I went down to the floor in 1993 when we had the Clinton-Gore tax increase. It was that $32 billion tax increase.

This is a $300 billion tax increase -- 10 times greater than the other one. That means every man, woman, and child, or every family of four who's watching you right now will have to pay an additional $2,700 a year in taxes. That's huge.

And so he doesn't like to talk about that. And if you notice, he would never respond to that. Well, he knows it's true. In fact, I'll tell you this: The figures that he had when he was in the White House as vice president were $338 billion.

BECK: Senator, keep up the good work. Thank you.

INHOFE: Hey, will do. Thank you, Glenn.
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On the October 22 edition of his nationally syndicated radio program, host Glenn Beck stated, "I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today." Beck continued: "There are a few people that hate America. But I don't think the Democrats are those. I think there are those posing as Democrats that are like that."

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Two things...

You're sincere....in posting this, aren't you?

It should be no "mystery" why there is no possibility of serious discussion on this forum.
You were able to come up with 4,800 words worth of quotes in response to "Hey guys, FYI, Ron Paul is on TV tonight!"!?

You still didn't express any opinion of your own in all of that, which kind of seems to apply to most of your posts. It would be helpful to me, as a viewer trying to understand why you feel so strongly about stuff that you past 15 pages of quotes, if you included cliff notes versions of all of your encyclopedias, or maybe some synthesis showing your own voice.

Either that or change your signature to TL;DNR
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:31 AM   #4 (permalink)
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You're sincere....in posting this, aren't you?
Yes, I'm sincere. But it's not about whether "you" like Glenn Beck or not, it's an hour with Ron Paul. I plan not to comment, I just thought of it as a friendly FYI...no hidden agendas... I don't need them.

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Look... you can read what ever you want in this.

I was watching Headline News this morning and they said Ron Paul would be on for an hour. If you want to make a big deal out of Glenn Beck, fine, don't watch it, please don't ruin it for others, and please have the courtesy to just butt out of the discussion! By the articles you posted, It's likely you haven't actually watched his program before. I gets back to the point of spin anything to win...true or not.

BTW - I saw an interview with Mike Huckabee on Glenn Beck. Huckabee is apparently not one of Beck's favorites, but he pulled no punches and let Huckabee say pretty much what ever he wanted.

I don't give a crap about Glenn Beck, and I don't care if anybody watches it. I'm just trying to be neighborly. Lighten up.
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I get the vibe that this will be an hour long hit piece on Paul. I'm curious how often he will be interrupted or cut off and what sort of loaded questions he will receive.

I think what would be interesting is if Beck just asked Paul to elaborate on some of his more questionable policies, being polite and giving him plenty of rope, and bringing him back on topic when he segways back about the Fed. reserve or the war in iraq.
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hey host... apparently i'm not the only one who thinks you're full of shit...

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Moderator, please scratch this thread. It's already tainted because Host wouldn't give it a chance before spewing his opinions. He's entitled to have his say, but who wants to wade through thousands of words of biased opinins about the interviewer before anyone can make a simple comment on an event that will take place tonight. I have absolutely no stake in this, and will be OK with the bump.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:01 AM   #7 (permalink)
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hey host... apparently i'm not the only one who thinks you're full of shit...
Hanxter, are you employing a round about way of voicing your own opinion that I am "full of shit" and are you speaking officially or as an individual?

Has it occurred to you that you have, in this post, appeared to abuse your position of authority and broken the forum rules that you enforce in other circumstances?

If you looked into "the matter" a little more with your "special privilege" abilities, you might suspect that the individual you quoted was acting on an agenda. I made a complaint earlier about one of his posts, on another thread, that was a clearly OT post.

I "handled it" discretely, using the forum complaint guidelines, and I did not send a PM to the individual who made the post I complained about.

You've chosen to engage in a personal attack. I would be happy to send you the PM I received from the individual who you quoted in your post....

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Old 12-18-2007, 11:09 AM   #8 (permalink)
 
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:10 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I'm sorry, "full of shit"?

If you have your moderator hat on, one would assume that some tact might be employed in the interest of having a mature and rule abiding outcome to any problems that may be reported. For example:
Instead of, "apparently i'm not the only one who thinks you're full of shit"
Maybe, "I've had some complaints about your post, host, and we would like you to stay on topic" or what have you.

I think it would go a long way to maintain the good relationship between posters and moderators.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:20 AM   #10 (permalink)
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if i had my "moderator hat" on host would have been gone long long ago...

how do you figure i'm abusing any position of authority when i did nothing about the reported post i quoted... i didn't delete his "quoted" diatribe...

host thread jacks constantly with nothing but selected quotes from others and provides nothing in his own words...

think what you may... i don't believe i'm alone in my feelings about one who has no opinion of his own... you never get anything original from an echo
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:29 AM   #11 (permalink)
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how do you figure i'm abusing any position of authority when i did nothing about the reported post i quoted... i didn't delete his "quoted" diatribe...
I didn't say you were abusing your position, but your post clearly lacked any form of tact. As someone who has had plenty of responsibility over other people in my life, I find that treating everyone with at least some respect is ultimately the best course of action. It was more like a critique.

Saying someone is full of shit is a breach of several rules of TFP, in fact, but being only a citizen I'll leave that to your peers to figure out if they believe there is something to figure out. As for me, I'm just disappointed; not just that you'd use rude language like that but that you'd defend it.

In addition to that, host does state his opinions. He just happens to support them with mountains of evidence so as to make his case strong. It's hardly his fault if people are too lazy to read them. But back to the thread at hand...

I guess I'll watch the Glenn thing, if for no other reason than to excuse my posting in this thread. I suspect that Glenn will ask rude questions and Paul will shoot out talking points that some people will adore him for and people like me will scoff at.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:40 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I "handled it" discretely, using the forum complaint guidelines, and I did not send a PM to the individual who made the post I complained about.

You've chosen to engage in a personal attack. I would be happy to send you the PM I received from the individual who you quoted in your post....
host, don't bother...here's the PMs I sent to the moderator and you.

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Moderator, please scratch this thread. It's already tainted because Host wouldn't give it a chance before spewing his opinions. He's entitled to have his say, but who wants to wade through thousands of words of biased opinions about an interviewer before anyone can make a simple comment on an event that will take place tonight. I have absolutely no stake in this, and will be OK with the bump.
After this... I absolutely want this bumped. You can start your very own Glenn Beck rant. A punk on a discussion thread is a punk anywhere. Who needs your punk-ass.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:45 AM   #13 (permalink)
 
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otto....just for the record before its shut down, dont you "spew"...bogus global warming contests or photos from Planet of the Apes?....photo of Hillary that "scares" you?
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:47 AM   #14 (permalink)
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After this... I absolutely want this bumped. You can start your very own Glenn Beck rant. A punk on a discussion thread is a punk anywhere. Who needs your punk-ass.
Who needs host...? That's an interesting question. My first response would be "the uninformed need host", but that's just not big enough. How about this: His response was "there's no chance of a real discussion about Ron Paul on TFP, and it's because people seem to have the same disposition as Beck". That's not actually a threadjack. He just supported his claim with a ton of articles, per his usual posting method. For that? He's ridiculed by people who can't take 10 minutes to read what he said.

If you can't say something nice, hit the back button. If you can't do that, you don't get TFP at all. It's right there in the rules.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:49 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I'll try to watch it.

Oh and host, what do you have against my mouse wheel? What has it done to to you? Why do you hate it so much?
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:56 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Well, this turned to shit real fast.

host, next time, stay on the fucking topic.

ottopilot, half of you is a good poster, the other half of you sucks. Fix that. (I'm talking about the posts that dc_dux pointed out)
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