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MSD 04-01-2005 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by scout
My real issue with giving teachers a "blanket" to carry while on the job is I remember some of the teachers I had HAHA. Pretty scary!! No really, I just find it hard to imagine how they are going to be able to secure that firearm to insure that it doesn't get stolen or worse. I've seen some people with CCW permits that apparently have no concept of securing their firearm, and I'm sure some of the teachers would get careless as well. Also, I really have no desire for my grandchildren to be taught by a teacher with a Colt Peacemaker strapped to his hip. Using your logic once a child reaches 18 and is able to get a CCW permit then he should also be legally able to pack his weapon to school.

A teacher who has a CCW should be capable of carrying their weapon concealed, and should not have to worry about securing it. In most states, the legal age for CCW is 21, not 18, but if a student had a CCW and could handle and carry the weapon responsibly, I would not disapprove of him carrying it into school, provided that he could lock it up properly when changing for P.E, sports, etc. This is not plausible, seeing as most students would panic if they knew a fellow student was armed, but there is nothing fundamentally wrong with a student extending his ability to defend himself into the classroom. I will be carrying in school when I am licensed (not prohibited by state laws or university policy,) and nobody will ever know unless I tell them, or I am faced with a situation in which I need to prevent a violent crime from being committed against myself or someone nearby and the officers who patrol the school are not able to respond in time.

daswig 04-01-2005 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by scout
There is lots of places in the States with a CCW that you can't carry a gun... Likewise it seems fairly reasonable that if I should enter a bar that I should leave it in the truck due to the likelihood of trouble being started in such a place.

Here, at least, it's perfectly legal for somebody with a permit to carry a gun onto school property provided that they are not doing it with the mens rea to commit a crime. With bars, the rule SHOULD be one of "no drinking alcohol while armed." If you're not drinking alcohol, I have no problem with being armed.

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Likewise I see no reason to give teachers a blanket "license to carry" while on the job. If they have a concealed carry permit and they do happen to carry their weapon to work so be it, but I'm sure they will be much more careful without a security blanket than with one.
It wouldn't give teachers a blanket "license to carry". They'd have to get a permit just like anybody else.

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No really, I just find it hard to imagine how they are going to be able to secure that firearm to insure that it doesn't get stolen or worse. I've seen some people with CCW permits that apparently have no concept of securing their firearm, and I'm sure some of the teachers would get careless as well. Also, I really have no desire for my grandchildren to be taught by a teacher with a Colt Peacemaker strapped to his hip. Using your logic once a child reaches 18 and is able to get a CCW permit then he should also be legally able to pack his weapon to school.
It's ridiculously simple. Remember CCW means CONCEALED....ie you carry it on your person where people can't see it. When I was in college, I carried to class every day, and nobody had a problem. Of course, I went around to the PD and introduced myself and showed them my creds before I carried to class...

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I would rather put high voltage fences around the school and to enter everyone has to go through metal detectors manned by armed security if that's what it takes rather than having our children learn from a teacher that's got a .45 strapped to his/her hip. Once inside the building children shouldn't have to worry about a thing but learning and growing.

Sorry if I offend you but that's just the way I see it.
You're entitled to your opinion, and you didn't insult me, so relax. If a child is raised in an environment where they're made to feel like a criminal because of the security measures, that will have a negative psychological effect on them. I'd rather have kids educated in an environment where things were open, and criminals were kept away because they didn't know who was packing. Something like 46 states currently have either "may issue" or "shall issue" CCW licensing. And the people in those 46 states don't go around in their daily lives worrying about who MIGHT have a CCW permit, do they?

Holdem Dvorak 04-02-2005 01:02 AM

Actually at my high school there is an armed cop that walks our hallways. He can call for backup. How about more metal detectors or something defensive like that. I'm not anti gun or anything. But guns in schools? Really its sad.

Your pal Holdem

daswig 04-02-2005 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Holdem Dvorak
Actually at my high school there is an armed cop that walks our hallways. He can call for backup. How about more metal detectors or something defensive like that. I'm not anti gun or anything. But guns in schools? Really its sad.

There was an armed cop inside Columbine when the school shooting started there. He pulled a "Brave Sir Robin" and ran away. At least one of the people who died at Columbine died from what was normally a non-life threatening wound. He bled out when the cops left him there and refused to allow the students to carry the teacher to safety and medical attention.

If you put your life and your faith in the hands of the cop's response, you DESERVE to die. Why? Because you abrogated your right to self defense to an agency which the courts have said have NO duty to protect an individual member of society.

scout 04-02-2005 02:51 AM

Perhaps I didn't make my case clear enough, it was early and I wasn't quite awake yet. I don't believe there is any state laws preventing teachers from carrying their weapons here in the State of Indiana just as there is no law preventing me from carrying my weapon in my van while at work, none that I'm aware of anyway. By passing a law it in effect gives the teachers a security "blanket" if you will to protect them from liability in the unfortunate case something stupid should happen. By leaving the current law in place, as is advocated by the NRA in almost every other circumstance, the teacher can carry their concealed weapon to work even if it is against the policies of the school system they currently work in. Much like I carry my weapon with me on late night service calls in neighborhoods of ill repute, better to be jobless and judged by 12 than carried by 6. In the case of the teachers I believe just the threat of losing their jobs if something stupid happens will cause them to be much more careful and watch what they are doing much more closely. If they would happen to truly do something heroic and save a bunch of lives then I seriously doubt they would lose their job but be reprimanded. I doubt public opinion would allow them to lose their job if they truly done something considered heroic. However, if something were to happen and they accidentally shot innocent children while attempting to save others then they should be judged by 12 just as you or I. This is one situation where collateral damage is unacceptable!


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