SpongeBob Is Gay
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4190699.stm

Some "conservative groups" have way too much time on their hands...

Spongebob is not gay. He has a girlfriend named Sally. She's a squirell. Duh, stupid Focus on the Family :rolleyes:

Sponges, of the phylum porifera can be asexual or sexual, with the sexual kind frequently being hermaphroditic.

So we have several posibilities for SBSP's sexuality.

(Who'da thunk my paleontology would ever be useful?? :D)

What's Focus On The Family's stance on inter-species relationships? I scoured their website looking for an answer, but alas, to no avail.

I don't understand what this gorup would like to have taught. From what i gather this video is about tollerating people's differences are conservatives actually against teaching children to be nice to one another?

Spongebob is GAY?!?! the horror!
 

Some people will find something wrong with everything... so it's no wonder this has reared it's ugly head

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Seriously.. who gives a shit if he is or isn't. Children need to learn about tolerance and such..why push it under the rug and shelter children when all that does is promote ignorance?

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Wow, this definently needs to be stopped! Teach children that it's good to be accepting and loving of everyone! Everyone knows that being gay is a horrible crime that children should never be exposed to! And clearly a male cartoon character who has a good male friend must be gay! /end sarcasm :rolleyes:

I will never understand how someone like Dr. Dobson can claim to be such a wonderful Christian, and at the same time so actively persecute those he sees as 'evil.' Way to "love your neighbor as yourself." :(

I have to say there is more being taught in SBSP than in telatubbies.
And i didnt understand the problem with the tellatubbies other than its stupid and dumb kids down.

I always knew in the back of my mind that he and Patrick had a thing going on...

I swear I did a search! :p

Here's my point. Not only are the "christians" making themselve look dumber every day, they are killing their own religion. Maybe that's a good thing.

A child needs to learn that there are gay people in the world. It would be alot better than seeing teen kids who've been sheltered their whole life say "EWW that's disgusting" or hear the word "FAG" in negative way every 5 seconds. I hate spongebob personally, but really I never thought he was gay and even if he was it wouldn't change my opinion on the subject.

These people have too much time on their hands...

Next on conservative hitlist? Spongebob, that "well known" gay propagandist...
 

WTF?

SpongeBob and Tinky Winky are being used to brainwash kids into being gay?

"We see the video as an insidious means by which the organisation is manipulating and potentially brainwashing kids" - Paul Batura

What a bitter and poisonous world these people must live in.


Mr Mephisto

EDIT: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4190699.stm

Have you ever watched Teletubbies? Those are some creepy little fuckers....

To tell the truth, I always did think SB was a little light in his loafers.

But calling it an insidious brainwashing method? C'mon... Our country has surely gone whackadoo. Don't people in prayer circles hold hands while praying? Must be gay then...

It's a harmless kid's show. Watching GI Joe didn't turn me into a gun-loving, terrorist fighting super soldier. Damnit, that would've been cool.

I'm pretty sure you've already heard the old joke about one of those fuckers being gay, mojo. hehe

Not too hard seeing as how it was mentioned in the article above.

Funny, isn't it? In the UK it was criticised as promoting drug use and being an icon for E heads.

Mr Mephisto

So the brits are latently afraid of hippies and read that fear into things while we are latently afraid of homosexuals and read that fear into things? I dunno, it just all sounds too far fetched [/saracasm]

Duplicate thread...

Regardless, both use news sources outside the US, and this group has gotten very little (read: none) press within the US.

This is not a 'conservative group' or the 'us right' as so many like to point out and then attribute this attitude to all conservative groups (that's called prejudice).

This is a wacko fringe lunatic group.

-bear

Really?

http://www.afa.net/

http://www.family.org/


I recommend you go to their web-sites and check the "About us" links.

Not so whacko fringe any more, eh?



Mr Mephisto

PS - I find the use of the word "prejudice" (the accusation of prejudice?) in the post above almost amusing.

Why does everything have to have a hidden agenda? Can't anything just be harmless fun?

edit:

never mind.

If your amused by prejudice and think these groups are mainstream...more power to ya mate.

peace,

-bear

Doesn't one of the teletubbies have something awfully similar to a "phallic" symbol on his head? It makes sense now, they are homosexuals... like the seven dwarfs.

First and foremost, I never accused all conservative groups of harbouring such an attitude. The word prejudice was something you introduced and then accused me (by implication) of such a foible.

Secondly, everyone (or almost everyone) agrees that it is the conservative groups (or fringe groups if you prefer) that are the ones that promote prejudice.

Thirdly, you state the story got little or no press in the US. Here's a link to the story in today's NY Times. Call me an old fashioned foreign busy-body if you will, but as far as I know the NYT is considered a major news source.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/20/po.../20sponge.html

Here it is in the Kansas City Star: http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...n/10686522.htm

Here it is in the Seattle Post Inquirer: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...ongebob20.html

I could go on.


Fourthly, you state that these groups (actually you mentioned it as only one group, but no matter) were the "whacko fringe".

Let me quote from their web-sites:

and


Peace to you too my friend.


Mr Mephisto

Haha mojo.

Did you guys ever get an old BBC show called Noddy over there?

Noddy was a puppet who lived in ToyTown with his friend BigEars.

They eventually removed it from air because Noddy and BigEars used to share the same bed. :)


My other favourites was The Magic Roundabout a very popular TV show that was actually inspired by the creator's LSD trip. It was pretty out there, but quite fun none the less. Sadly it too is no more.


Mr Mephisto

So what if they are homosexuals! Little kids don't even understand sex at all. Also if you ask me the guy on blues clues is more homosexual than spongebob. I am also sick of people calling homosexuals evil.

The title you selected for this thread belies your argument. You indeed lumped all conservatives with your nifty little "next" and "hit list" quip. I will once again point out that this is the very definition of prejudice. And this thread explemifies it. This isn't an accusation...it's a fact. Don't jump to an offended position. Prejudice is NOT always a bad thing. In this instance it made for a literary device used to spur discussion in an intersting thread.

This is patently rediculous. Worthy of no more discussion then that. Even your disclaimer of "almost everyone" is so far fetched, I am embarrassed that you resorted this sort of childish, unsubstantiatable nonsense.

Is this for real?

I won't bore you with the details of "web only" content, taken from and credited directly to the BBC wires, or the fact that your other two sources are also web only, and taken from and credited to the NYT. This is not significant press. I suspect you could indeed go on. Google is our friend :)


AAAh, a press release worthy tome and a ham radio and these wacko's are main stream?

Your just arguing for arguments sake aren't you?

Thanks for the boring, self congratulatory, pat on the back, "about us" link posted by this groups founder. I'm afraid they are still fringe. Wacko is probably too strong a description as I know nothing about them, have never heard of them before, and will likely never hear of them again. That's how I define fringe. Have you ever heard of them before?

The only place groups is mentioned is in the various articles...yet only one group is actually identified. Althugh assurance of "AT LEAST TWO" christian conservative american groups claim is presented...blah blah blah.

This might hit the papers tomorrow and might even hit some mainstream media outlets. But it'll die, since it's from a fringe WACKO group, and has no legs.

-bear

PS: I am very happy for Mr Squarepants. I have myself been attracted to Patrick in his multi limbed, spinelessly flexible sort of way...GRRRRRRoooowwwwllllllllll :D

It does not. I'm surprised you cannot recognize humour when you see it. If you honestly believe the title was serious, then I suggest you are in a minority on this board. Or perhaps you are not familiar with my writing style. Or perhaps you just don't know humour. It could be any of these.

Yes it is for real. And like all accusations of prejudice, it's based on opinion. One man's prejudice is another man's "moral indignity".

I warrant the majority of random people asked the question "Who are more prejudiced? Right wing conservative groups or left-wing liberal groups?" would answer "conservatives". That's my opinion. You disagree, that's your opinion.

And thanks for the insult. I'd like to be surprised, but I'm kinda used to being insulted by (apparent) conservatives for my semi-liberal politics.

Huh?

haha... No. No I'm not. As I started this thread, with whom am I arguing? I responded to your post that "it" was a whacko fringe group. I also simply repeated the words used in the news articles. Did you read them?

They didn't say "Whacko conservative group", they said "Conservatives..."

Take it up with the journalists at the NYT is you have a beef.

I have actually heard of the AMA. And I note with interest that I have also heard of some of their "successes" (as reported in the About Us link), even from overseas. Goodness me!

Again, huh? I guess we'll have to see, but the references posted above simply prove your assertion that the story has got "none" [sic] press coverage in the US.

Anyway, I grow tiresome of arguing with someone who personally insults me, so I'll leave it at that. I wish you the best in your future endeavours.

Mr Mephisto

I'm assuming you are referring to religious extremists. Like the morons that try to say Harry Potter is evil! There is alot of Chrstians who do not give a damn about this garbage obviously.

Also, this cartoon really sucks. Still, until we see some anal play going on or deliberate gay statements, it's retarded to assume there is a hidden message in a cartoon.

I think this thread may have been posted before mine?

If so, I apologize for the duplication.

Mr Mephisto

Then if we're considering The Bob to be humanish, shouldn't this be about bestiality?

I don't think the AFA is a fringe group either, Frankly their agenda scares the hell out of me. While it seems to be family oriented, these people want to control the media and are doing a fairly good job at it. There are several people where I work who are card carrying members of the AFA. Fringe to some. real to me.

No, nothing can be harmless fun anymore. The reason is a simple marriage of 2 problems we feed instead of try to cure: we are at war and we need diversion to prevent the people from seeing it AND we are a conspiracy loving nation that wants to believe there are insidious reasons behind everything.

The right believes the left is conspiring, in everything they can, to destroy "family values" and promote a far leftist agenda.

The left believes the right is conspiring to turn us all into mind numbed zombies that will not question and will support this darkness to conquer the world.

Neither is even remotely true, although both sides make good arguments against the other, these conspiracies are paranoid delusions but because they sell and make profits for the media companies the media feeds this bullshit to us.

Sometimes, a cartoon is just a creation of an artistic mind and was created to just be fun and is purely superficial with nothing to it...... but people in this country, I firmly believe, have been programmed to look for the hidden meaning behind everything.

Well said. Though I don't believe it's the media or that "[the stories] sell and make profits for the media companies the media feeds this bullshit to us."

Isn't that a conspiracy theory all of its own? :)

It's just politics. And politics has become nasty since the Clinton Administration.




Mr Mephisto

That's a shame. It is also quite weak. That's how it goes I guess.

It's common for the defeated to be confused with fact vs. opinion.

If you can chalk up your poor communication skills to my lack of humour or your writing style, again I guess, that's how it goes. It certainly wouldn't be the first time for you.

I won't challenge you again. Your retreat veiled as the high road is nauseating.

Thanks for the kind wishes.

SpongeBob, you yellow-bellied right angle assed fag. I've got your back anyday. You, Patrick, your pineapple under the sea! I don't care what wacko fringe group thinks your dangerous, or how the foriegn press, picked up marginally by the US press, distorts this delusion into an indictment on the entire conservative base.

-bear

j8ear,

I don't have much more to say to you about this, or indeed probably much else in the future. I may disagree with what you say but I have never descended to the likes of your post above.

Mr Mephisto

lol. apparently so.

focus on the family is run by james dobson, a christian minister. while i think i understand the group's basic premise (reorient to family being the number one priority and center), in practice it doesn't seem so... apparently he is very influential with the current regime, err, administration.

why people continue to harp on fantasy characters/cartoons that aren't even human is beyond me. you'd think they'd have a larger problem with snl's "ambiguously gay duo" than a sponge and his starfish friend and hamburger car, or a bunch of creatures with televisions in their abdomens.

I've never seen this skit, but already it sounds funny! :)

Mr Mephisto

focus on the family is far from fringe. their much much more mainstream than you would think. for many christians in this country, focus on the family is very important (tons of books, videos, etc. et.c).

focus on the family is run by james dobson, a christian minister. while i think i understand the group's basic premise (reorient to family being the number one priority and center), in practice it doesn't seem so... apparently he is very influential with the current regime, err, administration.

why people continue to harp on fantasy characters/cartoons that aren't even human is beyond me. you'd think they'd have a larger problem with snl's "ambiguously gay duo" than a sponge and his starfish friend and hamburger car, or a bunch of creatures with televisions in their abdomens.

edit:
to be a delusion, the belief would have to be false in the face of overwhelming evidence of invalidating truth!!! but there is no overwhelming evidence of that truth...

i do get your point though. :)

Mephisto, it was a nice little animated sequence that SNL had for awhile and yes, it was pretty funny. Too bad SNL doesn't show it much anymore :(

i forget we're not all from the u.s sometimes, my apologies.


it was a pretty funny animation. i too am sad it's not on anymore.

basically, it was two guys in super tight super hero outfits, with a large bulge in the groin area... who fought evil with a car shaped like a penis... when in tight situations, they would somehow end up in each others arms, or one bent over in front of the other, etc. etc. pretty low brow humor, but pretty funny nonetheless.

would seem much easier to attack, as everyone involved was human, and the premise was obvious... but i guess it's not aimed at kids, and it wouldn't 'cause much of a buzz.

Woody Woodpecker was gay for decades. Focus on the Family should focus on what's important: their own morbid fear of gays.

Ya know, all my life I've secretly hoped there's some shady gay media control situation pushing some ambiguous gay agenda. Let's face it - there is so much right wing media pushing this divisive crap - don't you wish there really was some fabulous gay movement to fight the right?

Cue some sarcastic remark on the Democrats in 3... 2... 1...

:D

Mr Mephisto

Its SANDY not Sally.

When I was younger, or even now I held hands or walk arm in arm with many of my friends.. male or female.... Im not gay, just affectionate.

This is so extreme. Ive never even imagined Spongebob to be gay, Bert and Ernie are more "gay" to me.

Don't fall off your high horse while riding her on your high road, your majesty.

Boooohooooohooooohoooo. If you've got further barbs to jab me with try the PM avail through the forum. Personally I do hope your ~really~ done "lowering" yourself to my level this time.

-bear

It seems I might need to reevaluate my thoughts on this AHA group. Maybe they aren't as fringe as I suspected.

Regardless...when spongebob becomes an object of your scorn YOU ARE wacko in my book.

Thanks for the insight Mike, Uncle_el...

-bear

j8ear...I happen to work for MTV Networks and I read this story in SEVERAL places from first in Variety, then the LA Times and finally the NY Times...web based only? why because if it's not in black and white print it doesn't make as much an impact or not truth? Do you not understand how media content is sold and resold from newswires like Reuters, UPI, and AP? Does that sour the content more because it's not "investigated" by thousands of reporters individually?

It is even being discussed among co-workers and fellow Nickolodeon employees. Fringe groups or not, MTV Networks employees are quite passionate about the products and brands we create.

Ironically I walked out of the building only to see someone dressed as Spongebob (with security escort) in front of the Toys R Us store.

Interesting.


Mr Mephisto

We all know were you work Cyn...you mention it all the time.

That aside, you're right, since the BBC and Sydney Morning Herald stories first began running the story it has been picking up steam, gaining some legs and showing up in the US media. In more significant numbers then the NONE y'day morning (thurs..)when I first saw discussion of the issue.

I am beginning to understand why, since it is being used to lump the entire conservative base into one loony gaggle of SBSP haters...more specifically GAY sbsp haters.

I should have seem that coming.

I do not completely understand how the wire services work, however I do know what a headline, dateline and byline are. I am not a journalist. I am a consumer.

-bear

I'll bet Spongebob, dinosaurs and man were all running around the planet at the same time.

Half the fault of this world is because those dangerous dinosaurs refused to die in America, instead choosing the middle east to perish. The other half of all fault is because of that dastardly spongebob, saddam hussein and UBL were born, causing all our problems.

And all the rest of the problems is because we are NOT all right wing christians.

but dr. james dobson and his merry band of right wing christians crusaders are here to save us from ourselves. :rolleyes:

but in all seriousness, dont these lunatics scare the hell out of you? How does 51% of the population listen to these so far out of touch wacko's?

I would also like to point out that today the big news was the Presidential Inaguration... all media outlets were on there about that subject.. side note:weird that the local UPN affiliate was using a feed from Fox News with all the graphics and logos I'm wondering if that's the CBS way of keeping the news from seeming like a duopoly.

But for me to see it in print this morning meant that it was already in the journalists hands as of yesterday or VERY early this morning....

I am not a journalist either, but I try to be an informed consumer. AP/Reuters/UPI are the most often syndicate articles (on top of daily columns), you'll see them from coast to coast and edge to edge of the globe. It's one of the reasons why all the news is very stagnant. Heck some of the papers don't even double check the wire services and they have mistakes all the time from spelling errors to factual errors as the story is developing and changing and those end up in your local paper too.

I see so when the left say Looney Tunes, the Little Rascals and The 3 Stooges and so on, promote violence and steroetypes, THAT IS OK.

But when a conservative group claims something promotes homosexuality or whatever.... it is a conspiracy against freedom of expression.....

Ah the hypocrasies........

Here's a thought: MAYBE ALL OF THE ABOVE IS JUST ENTERTAINMENT AND TRULY HAS NO "HIDDEN AGENDA" MAYBE THE PEOPLE READING INTO THESE SHOWS ARE PUSHING THEIR OWN AGENDAS.

At least when the right does it you can see the sheer stupidity and their agendas.....

I'm sorry, but there is a slight difference here. Some humor can be destructive even if its not intended to be. There's a difference between promoting violent humor or having racist humor in a cartoon and having an animated sponge (who has a girlfriend) hold the hand of his best friend. Not to say I don't love me some Looney Tunes and Stooges, but its humor does cross the line into violence a tad more than SBSP crosses the line into homosexuality. And even if they were equally obvious then at most one promotes a kind a togetherness we aren't comfortable while another promotes a kind of violence we aren't comfortable with... which would you say is worse?

Actually the Stooges promote a great life lesson: that those you love can fuck up and make mistakes and piss you off, but in the end, that is what makes them the people you love.

As for Looney Tunes: there's the one where Elmer finally thinks he kills Bugs and he cries and is sorrowful for it.

But in answer to your question neither promotion bothers me because I look at the subjects as the subjects are supposed to be looked at ...... AS ENTERTAINMENT.

If I am stupid enough to want to gouge someone's eyes because I saw it on tv then I was probably prone to do something violent to begin with.

To defend either sides labellings and believe that one of these shows should be avoided because someone told you something is foolish.

You don't like the Stooges because you think they are violent.... fine.... but don't sit there and dictate to me how violent they are... Because I get the humor.

You don't like SBSP doing his thing because you thinkhe is promoting homosexuality.... fine..... but don't sit there and tell me my children (if I had any) can't watch it because YOU choose not to like it.... if my children like the show and I believe it to be ok for them then it is only my (as the parents) opinion that matters and you have no right to dictate that opinion to me.

To say one promotes "a good thing" the other promotes "bad" is only in the eye of the beholder and what THE INDIVIDUAL SEES, NOT AS DICTATED BY THE WHOLE.

It's the whole Political Correctness thing..... doesn't matter where the censorship comes from.... or even the purpose... censorship is about 1 thing and 1 thing only CONTROL.

I dunno, man. I can't by into the whole anti-political correctness because censorship is bad bit. I mean, some things need to be censored especially from kids. Racist and hateful humor that adults might (or might not) take in stride can really effect people if they get the wrong message from it. Censorship might be about control, but some control is needed to maintain order in a society and, more to the point, raise decent children. The fact of the matter is kids see the Stooges gabbing someone in the eye and hear the canned laughter and associate that sort of humor with being cool and Speedy Gonzales can be their first and most lasting exposure to Mexican culture. I'm not saying that these things need to be taken off the air, but the way that kids today are often more raised by the television than their parents can cause some messed up effects. And personally, I think the reprecussions of a couple of 8 year old boys being comfortable holding hands is a lot less damaging than a bunch of 8 year old boys who think its funny to beat on eachother.

I guess turning off the television and monitoring what children are watching is too difficult. Or making a phone call or writing a letter to the CEO. The #1 option always seem to feed the story to the media asap for people today.
lol

According to the website they never claimed Spongebob was gay:
http://www.family.org/docstudy/newsletters/a0035339.cfm
"My brief comments at the FRC gathering were intended to express concern not about SpongeBob or Big Bird or any of their other cartoon friends, but about the way in which those childhood symbols are apparently being hijacked to promote an agenda that involves teaching homosexual propaganda to children."

Has anyone seen the Laurel and Hardy movie 'Their First Mistake'? In it the hapless duo get comfortable on a bouble bed, where they decide to adopt a baby! And this was 1932! I bet Focus on the Family would have something to say about this too.

I don't know what 'homosexual propaganda' was being taught in this video but there seems to be a trend for certain groups towards decrying anything that doesn't conform to the way they want society to be. And with an administration which 'moral' Americans were recently encouraged to believe thought the same way they do, they're only going to become more confident. There's been some successes reported this side of the Atlantic: the 'wardrobe malfunction' resulting in a large fine, the decision not to screen Saving Private Ryan on Veteran's Day (more distressing because it was censored preemptively based on what the reaction might be), the boycott of 'Alexander' in the bible belt states.


There's a film version coming out soon - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0339334/.