NO...NO....No..were adults and we voted Bush into office...think about who would be president if kids were allowed to vote. Britney Spears could get nominated...Yikes. but HOT!
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CHILDREN ARE NOT ADULTS TRAPPED IN SMALL BODIES. GO TAKE A COURSE IN DEVELOPEMENTAL PSYCHOLOGY, NEUROLOGY, BIOLOGY, ANYTHING! |
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I think that everyone should have the right to vote, regardless of their age, race, etc. If they're a a U.S. citizen, then they should be able to vote. That's why voting exists in the first place, so that EVERYONE can decide as a whole, who they want as a governor, president, etc.
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So as to avoid thread jacking, here is the appropriate thread for minor's right to vote.
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Throughout the history of our nation, the conditions for eligibility to vote has gone through a few changes. Right now, the age of 18 is considered the 'medium' between people who HAVE matured mentally and people who have NOT matured mentally. Because everyone is different to some degree, this is the best age, so far, that has been decided as mature enough to vote. If you think children younger than that should vote, bring it up with your representative and tell them you think 13 year olds should vote.
If you truly think 13 years of age should be old enough to vote, consider some of the teen idols we've seen and the popularity of said idols, then consider the number of voting adults compared to the number of teens that would vote simply because it's britney or kid rock. Quote:
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I invite you to read the article in the OP. It changed my mind on the issue once upon a time. |
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Amend. 28: All american citizens, upon reaching the age of 16, shall have the right to receive either a Lamborghini, Ferrari, or Porsche Carrera paid for by the public treasury and said vehicle shall be insured for the life of said citizen and will be immune from any traffic violations or citations. |
I would hope that it go a little more something like this:
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I do believe that the driving age is, if anything, too young. I'd like to see 18 be the driving age and the ability to get a license a bit more difficult. The right to travel, not drive, is ours. The right to vote is ours. |
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I have no faith in anyone under 18 unless they can personally show me some maturity. They may actually have it, but i'm not willing to give them the right to vote due to their peers. |
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They can't convince enough adults so they gotta go for those who haven't even had a job yet :thumbsup: |
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Sheltering yourself from information so that you won't be proven wrong is something that could be associated with immaturity, ironically. Of course, I don't think you're immature, so it's confusing when you make posts like this. |
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Are you making the case that the radical right wants to leave voting to old white men like yourself? |
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We let stupid people vote all the time (again, thus Bush). Why would we not allow someone to vote because their brain isn't exactly the same as an adult?
The main differences between adolescent and adult brains have to do with impulse control, but that doesn't necessarily suspend reasoning skills. And, AGAIN, we have adults with that same issue and they're not kept from voting. |
I like our current system. It works good enough.
The decline of the voting population has nothing to do with age. Is apathy. Maybe lowered to 16 for drinking and smoking cowboy killers. Voting for 16 year olds? Please. I don't want Hillary Duff on the ballot. |
There's nothing to suggest minors would throw their votes away. Looking at the past 7 years? Adults have no fucking clue.
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That is you as an example. How many kids today actually have jobs?
I won't ref it, but rumor has it teen employment has dropped in the last few years. |
The job market is weak for young adults, but they all pay sales taxes.
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So do illegal aliens.
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Minors aren't here illegally. They are citizens. I see that as the difference.
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Alright, let's say that minors can vote.
How do you discriminate the 12 year olds that can't vote from the 13 year olds that can? Where does it stop? ... Joke: "Politicians of This Thread's Future: Instead of sucking the voter dick, they'll pass out lollipops and XBox 360s!" |
They can all vote.
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Joke: What about an unwanted fetus before I abort it?
Can it thud once for Hillary and twice for Obama? |
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Just wanted you to consider that kids are subjects of their parents, which is one reason why they don't vote: Kids' parents vote on their behalf.
Personally I think the voting age should be the same as driving age: 16. If you give someone the privilege to operate a motor vehicle in public, they should be responsible enough to vote. They should teach more about politics in high school. |
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I'm inclined to give childrens the vote, but I don't think our society allows for autonomy for childrens. I can imagine myself as a child, knowing I could vote in secrecy, but still feeling sick to my stomach if I didn't vote for who my dad "suggested" I vote for. It's the article's last point of the four, then, that makes all-age voting something to avoid. Even if the household's position was never discussed openly, it's difficult to imagine that the values of the household wouldn't influence the child's vote. And thus, I see the breeders breeding political allies, whether they know it or not.
This discussion has a lot of back and forth, as in, "kids aren't mature enough to vote," which is then countered with "adults aren't mature enough to vote," which is actually true, but doesn't really get us anywhere in debate, because when will that ever change? Our political systems are based on taxpayers voting for those who spend our tax money. So, and this is an honest question, does every current voter have to be a taxpayer? If you're unemployed are you now unable to vote? |
If you gave a kid 1000 dollars do any of you think they would make smart choices on what to do with it? Odds are they would have a stack of Pokemon cards and then starve.
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Terrible idea.
"VOTE FOR BUSH OR YOU ARE GROUNDED" comes the battle cry from the parents. How many children do you think would (dare to) vote differently than their parents? All it would accomplish is diluting the voting pool, and encouraging more people to pop out 50 babies so they can all vote for the same candidate as the parents. Adults cannot have their food, shelter, schooling and entertainment denied by their boss because they voted for the "wrong" person. Nor can CNN discipline you or tell you how bad you are for doing so. PARENTS can do it to their CHILDREN, though. I would only support allowing children who sustain themselves independently (emancipated minors) to vote before the age of 18. |
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I get it, really clearly. Your (and the quoted OP) position in simple form is that "Well, because adults are stupid and easily biased and children generally vote the same way their parents did when they grow up, why not let children vote?" I get it. I really do. I understand your premise, but I do not agree that it follows. It's an argumentum ad populum, and it's really a problem becuase you're basically saying that it's bad, but since it's bad already, what harm will be done by introducing another bad thing? Do you honestly believe that increasing the number of uninformed and strongly biased voters will HELP the voting pool? You acknowledge that there is a dramatic problem with under education and bias, and then you posit that we should ADD undereducated and biased MINORS to the pool of potential voters? And to address your quoted passage, since you think I didn't read it. I read it, but I disagreed on the sentence level and thought it a bit pedantic to pull it apart sentence by sentence. Quote:
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The difference between autonomous adults (no matter how ignorant you think they are [I agree]) and children is that our government cannot suspend the following rights: Unlawful search Unlawful detain False imprisonment Denial of due process Denial of free speech Denial of ... The list goes on. The government can't, but parents are allowed to do just about whatever they want to control their children, short of physical abuse. It's a long list. And I think it's a good thing, by the way. Without these controls, there would be a general neutering of parental ability. |
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