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KMA-628 12-16-2004 09:16 PM

I would be interested in seeing similar info, but in reverse.

i.e., how much other people/gov'ts/etc. owe the U.S.

energus 12-17-2004 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by stevo22
FYI - Saddam and Chemical Ali are being tried by the iraqi government, not the ICC


I know I put those in to show that no matter what court these cases tend to drag on. Saddam will go on trial more than a year after his capture, and they captured Chemical Ali way before him. Add to that the fact that these trials are far from over and you have the same dillema.

These cases tend to drag on way to long, no matter what the court or system it is held in. That is, as I said, my main beef with the trials like these (should have stated that more clearly)

stevo 12-17-2004 09:28 AM

Ok, but in order for the iraqis to try saddam and his henchmen, they had to construct a government and judicial system first, that takes time, and in less than 2 years looks to be more like a success than a failure. Either way it is happening much earlier than anyone expected. What I'd like to know is if they are going to have saddam rot in a jail cell for a while before they excute him or if they're going to drag him our back and shoot him in the head after his trial.

stevo 12-17-2004 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottKuma
Debt breakdown (as of 1998, but still relevant...if not exactly current):
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/faq.html

Note that only 22% of the debt is owed to foreign entities. Also, a whopping 44% of the debt is government-internal debt.

Also note that ANY percentage of the debt is a HUGE amount of money.

And those foreign entities are the ones that have bought US treasuries.

roachboy 12-17-2004 11:08 AM

i quite enjoyed finding myself referred to as of the noam chomsky school.
it isnt exactly true, but whatever, its pretty funny nonetheless.
i kinda like the underlying affection in it.
not sure where i see it exactly, but somehow i think its there.


edit: at the same time, if you think for a minute that the "iraqi" courts that will eventually try hussein are not american puppet operations, then you are simply deluding yourself. no chomsky required for this conclusion--just have alook at the groundrules for the trial. there is a long article on this in the last le monde diplomatique (novembre 2004)

powerclown 12-17-2004 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by roachboy
no chomsky required for this conclusion--just have alook at the groundrules for the trial. there is a long article on this in the last le monde diplomatique (novembre 2004)

Of course, one will find no more of an unbiased publication on Planet Earth than from the French publication, Le Monde Diplomatique. Remember the French? The government whose oil companies kicked back money to Saddam Hussein for oil contracts in the U.N. Oil-for-Food debacle? The government that so vociferously protested the overthrow of their good business partner Saddam Hussein?

The only things you're going to get from a large French publication regarding Iraq are distortions and anti-American rhetoric.

stevo 12-18-2004 12:29 AM

Now hold on powerclown, Le Monde Diplomatique has put out some credible reports on bush being a le bag douche, an article on what a good man Arafat was, and an article reminding the world how hypocritical the US is for trying to stop the spread of WMDs, esp. in Asia (N. Korea), when it was the US that actually dropped a couple of nukes way back when. So don't just dismiss an article based on the name of the paper that published it. Thats just not fair. :crazy:


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