10-15-2004, 12:59 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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Jon Stewart on Crossfire 10/15
I just finished watching Crossfire Live on CNN and Jon Stewart was the guest. It was brilliant. He wouldn't answer any of their stupid questions, instead choosing to slam their show for it's "partisan hackery" and stating that he thought that American citizen's find it to be "a drag" to watch Crossfire and shows like it after the debates, etc.
He really had them rattled, and they started getting pissed, saying things like "you're much more fun on your show than you are today." Stewart retorts with "and you're a bigger dick when I'm on the show than you are when I watch you on TV". Jon Stewart is my hero!
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10-15-2004, 02:18 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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What's sad is that there is more honesty and nonpartisanship in his satire than on the "real" news.
The Daily Show is one of the funniest shows on television. I'm reading "America" right now and it is one of the best satirical works I've ever read. I'm glad Mtv let him go years ago. He's honed his comedy and has gone from being a bit player in Adam Sandler films to a full fledged icon himself.
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10-15-2004, 02:39 PM | #6 (permalink) | ||
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The transcript:
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10-15-2004, 02:47 PM | #8 (permalink) |
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crikey, that's a long read.
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10-15-2004, 03:50 PM | #10 (permalink) |
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That. Was. Awesome.
I find it really hilarious that they think he, the host of a comedy show, should apparently be held to a higher standard of journalism than they are.
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10-15-2004, 04:10 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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This is why I love Jon Stewart. His compassion will be legendary.
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10-15-2004, 04:31 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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I found a torrent for it here (100 MB avi, with commercials):
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10-15-2004, 05:46 PM | #15 (permalink) |
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Stewart is such a whiny little hypocrite. He says that his show is a 'comedy show' and shouldn't be held up to scrutiny, while at the same time he knows full well that millions of young and impressionable people follow his show and base much of their political views on his political views. And then he's got the balls to say that because he's just a COMIC, nobody has the right to call him out, and if they do he hides behind his "I'm Just A Comic, I'm Not Supposed to be Taken Seriously, Silly!" bullshit. He works for a giant corporation just like those guys on Crossfire do, and the day he goes against the political agenda of his corporate bosses, he's out on his ass. And he thinks he's better than those two on Crossfire who he mocks. Please.
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10-15-2004, 06:12 PM | #17 (permalink) |
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If he can convince one person not to watch the REAL hypocritical crossfire, he's done his job. Stewart is simply backing up what his show said.
Millions of impressionable people watch Lost and America's Top Model. Does that make them irresponsible for portraying islands as having monsters and being skinny as being beautiful? Please. Let's look at this realisticly. Clearly The Daily Show is a political comedy show. It does report on actual events, but it usualyl spinns them in ways that would make wolf blitzer cringe, and they are very conspicuous about it. Also, Jon Stwewrt is not the only writer on TDS. Crossfire is a serious 'debate' show on a news network. It is made to be taken seriously. If you think that a giant corperation controls TDS directly, you've never seen the show. I've seen them bash sponsers and their parent companies. Kudos John Stwewrt, you owned them! |
10-15-2004, 06:19 PM | #18 (permalink) |
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Great points, will. I will never understand why people insist that a show on a channel famous for obnoxious, ridiculous and frivolous programming be held to any standards at all. To hold such a show to said standards would result in something we all call "selling out." Let's all be grateful that there are still some shows out there who are true to their light-hearted selves.
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10-15-2004, 06:32 PM | #20 (permalink) |
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After watching the video with my boss sitting next to me, we had a little discussion about the issues that were raised. We can both agree that Stewart could have done a lot better. He set up his points, but never explained them. Sure, we all know what he's talking about, but I could only count about 2 times when he made his point clear to those who cannot or refuse to read between the lines. He had a chance to make his points inarguable, but he stopped there.. that, or Tucker Carlson was just talking over him.
Furthermore, I think something happened during that last commercial break. After Stewart called Carlson a dick, he didn't say much else. He was quiet and reluctant when he tried to answer that one lady's question. Was he threatened during the break or something? He just seemed like he has just gotten kicked in the ribs. Overall, those of us who are familiar with the points that he was trying to make heard him loud and clear. He was awesome.
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10-15-2004, 06:50 PM | #21 (permalink) |
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reading the transcript...yeah. i think its interesting that begala didn't take the bait as much. there's no reason carlson should be taking the heat exclusively...but he seemed to lead himself down that path.
"millions of young and impressionable" Yeah, well...bite me. I'm sorry...but simply trotting out a stereotype of the viewers as stupid is not going to make your arguement hold water. Rush has millions of "impressionable" listeners...do i hear tears beind shed for his partisan antics? That said, what bit me most was carlson's objections to the kerry interview. McCain has been on there multiple times...the questions were just as softball. |
10-15-2004, 06:57 PM | #22 (permalink) |
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Reading this transcript, Stewart was pretty funny. I probably would've laughed quite a bit, had I seen it.
I think the idea that Stewart needs standards comes from the fact that many really do take the non-joke portions of the show to be legitimate journalism. I've even seen some here claim that it's more accurate and less biased than network news. Which is moronic. Stewart's hilarious, but he's a hack when it comes to actually reporting the news.
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10-15-2004, 07:07 PM | #23 (permalink) |
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There ya go, still trying to hold the Daily Show up to the standard of a real news broadcast.
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10-15-2004, 07:31 PM | #24 (permalink) | |
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10-15-2004, 07:31 PM | #25 (permalink) |
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The fact the Daily Show is one of the best sources of election information has nothing to do with it being a real news source or that it should be considered one, but, rather, it has EVERYTHING to do with how POORLY the current REAL news sources are doing their jobs.
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10-15-2004, 07:59 PM | #26 (permalink) |
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Wasn't Bill Mahrer's show (the last one on network tv, before HBO) political satire? It wasn't hard news. It was supposed to be lighthearted comedy, like Stewart's show. But his political views got him canned. The line between satire and sincerity is in the eye of the beholder. Sure Stewart's show is meant to be lighthearted comedy, but just the fact that Stewart came on CNN, broke with his comic persona and almost had a nervous breakdown attacking a supposed agenda of a CNN program is bizarre at best.
Why did he come on the show in the first place? Most would have thought, ok TGIF, end of the work week, lets hear a few political jokes from the comedian. But instead, he wants to put forth his own political agenda. He came on the show looking for a fight. Why? He should know what CNN is all about; As if he's going to change their programming or something? He made a complete ass of himself. Even Bill Mahrer is smart enough not to do something so stupid. Picture Letterman doing what Stewart did. Can you picture Letterman, who, on his show jokes about politics all the time, coming onto ANY political talk show to talk hard politics with ANYONE? Hell no, he knows he's no politcal activist, he's a comedian for christ sake. Very weird all around. Last edited by powerclown; 10-15-2004 at 08:06 PM.. |
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This is exactly what Stewart eluded to about many times throughout the interview. He was saying about how a news organization is looking "to Comedy Central for their cues on integrity", is in bad shape. Any time your news program is aired directly after puppets making crank calls is also a bad sign that you really shouldn't be taken seriously, and the fact that they ARE, is making the 'real' news guys look really bad. And being a fake news organization, they don't really feel the need to press the 'hard' issues onto candidates, like it'll make a difference. I love it when Ed Gillespe is on the show, because he knows that it's not really something to take seriously, and he has fun with it. You see him on CNN the next day in a news clip and he's a totally different guy, being your stereotyped 'Republican' as the media would showhim. But on the Daily Show, he's just having fun, because he knows better than to take it seriously. Powerclown, he came on the show probably because they asked him to. Also, he didn't make a fool of himself, and I'm sure he knew that nothing was going to be changed (probably the same reason he doesn't get tough on the candidates or any politcal figure for that matter,) but what he's trying to do is just show what a joke these Crossfire guys are, and it's true, they're all morons. It's not really a debate, it's more like the "Debate Sketch" from The Flying Circus, just yelling yes and no at each other without really answering or questioning anything.
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10-15-2004, 08:41 PM | #30 (permalink) |
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Journeyman, not sure if you were trying to debate me or agreeing with me. If you were trying to debate me though I think you misunderstood what I said.
powerclown: there's a big difference between letterman and stewart. Stewart's show FOCUSES on politics and Letterman's show HAPPENS to sometimes mention it. Letterman is a comedian, and Stewart is a POLITICAL comedian. He oberves politics constantly and finds humor in it - and a lot of it. Thus, he is doing what any other political celebrity does and going on a show to talk about it. Only, he's doing it intelligently, unlike, say, Cameron Diaz. I don't think his presence on Crossfire is in any way contradictory to the fact his show is comedy. It's not his fault the other news networks and shows suck so much that they can't even top a COMEDY show when it comes to dispersing information on the presidential election (if you don't know, there was a study done on this).
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10-15-2004, 08:42 PM | #31 (permalink) |
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Jon Stewart definitely stuck it to them...and he's right, too (just look at the first segment before he comes on, it's exactly what he's talking about). But he can't expect Crossfire to change, it's how the show has been since I've watched it. I'd like to see Stewart put his money where his mouth is and start the show that he's talking about.
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10-15-2004, 08:45 PM | #32 (permalink) |
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I'll say this much then step down: I wasn't aware that Stewart's basic schtick was to rip on the political scene in general, so this deal with CNN seems to be in character for the guy. That's fine. I thought it was more a case of a mainstream 'straight' talk-show host like a Kilborn or Letterman jumping completely out of character and going nuts on CNN for political points. I see now this was to be expected from Stewart.
ed. - Let me also say real quick that I've watched Crossfire for a while as well. It's a bipartisan, mainstream discussion of the issues. You've got a right-wing guy who can be overbearing and obnoxious at times, and he's balanced by an intelligent left-wing co-host. (By the way, the left on Crossfire also has James Carville, who can kick some ass.) I don't see what the problem is in Crossfire being part of the political landscape. Last edited by powerclown; 10-16-2004 at 08:17 AM.. |
10-15-2004, 08:51 PM | #33 (permalink) |
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I thought it was funny.
I too noticed that after that last commercial break, Stewart was a little less conspicuous. I don't know if I'd attribute that to him being bullied. I don't know the guy from Adam, but he did call Tucker Carlson a dick on national television. I wouldn't think he'd shirk from some suit threatening him from a different network. Maybe he was just tired of trying to shout over Carlson. The Daily Show is what it is. It's funny. It's a slanted sideways look at the absurd events of the day. It's not meant to be taken seriously, but it is, I believe, intended to get the public talking and independently thinking. CNN is supposed to be a globally respected news organization. "More people get their news from CNN...." blah blah blah. Instead of the continuous repetition of talking points and the endless regurgitation of non-issues, they should be discussing the election and world events. They should position themselves to helping the general public to understand and inform, not whipping them up into a frenzy and giving them a target. You may not agree with Jon Stewart. You may not like Jon Stewart, but you have to respect Jon Stewart for coming into a hostile situation and holding his own.
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10-15-2004, 10:06 PM | #36 (permalink) |
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jon stewart has become such a tool. the argument that he is absolved from presenting the truth because he is on a comedy channel is bogus. jon stewart actively involves himself in the political process and relishes his role, but has the luxury of hiding behind this smokescreen of supposed irrelevancy. whether he likes it or not, people (sadly) do take his show seriously. he has no right to criticize any other personality for not doing their most to effect a positive change on politics while he continues to deny the effect he himself has on it.
he represents what is wrong with the current political climate. you're kidding yourself if you think he is somehow a catalyst for independent thought or strictly pointing out absurdity. stewart is merely an extension, the logical conclusion to the process that is in its more infant stages on cnn. this notion that news and politics can be reduced to soundbites and a laugh... they're all in the entertainment business. stewart has come to believe his own press. he fancies himself as a reformer of what is wrong with mainstream media not realizing he himself is the wretched product of their triviality.
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He knows he's the 'logical conclusion to the process that is in its more infant stages on cnn', and that is precisely his point. In essence, he's saying - Hey guys, you're only a hop, skip and a step away from my show, but you have the gall to claim you're serious and then turn around and question MY integrity? In which case, Stewart is a almost a genius. |
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10-16-2004, 12:42 AM | #39 (permalink) |
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irate...i guess i don't see your point. are you saying that satire and comedic revue don't have a legitimate role to play? if stewart was the only news media around...you would be right...he's far too flip and insubstantial. but why is his claim to being a satirist not sufficient for you? because it's popular? because some people don't fully get that it's a joke?
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10-16-2004, 01:30 AM | #40 (permalink) |
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powerclown.. so you just said all of that trash about Jon Stewart without knowing the slightest bit of information about him? Yikes.
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