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jcookc6 · 10-19-2004, 04:36 AM

"I will never cross a picket line"
This article is from John Kerry's House Paper.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/..._picket_lines/
FLORIDA
Kerry crosses two police picket lines

By Glen Johnson, Globe Staff | October 19, 2004

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Last summer, John F. Kerry refused to cross a police picket line and address the US Conference of Mayors meeting in Boston. Last night he rode in a motorcade that crossed two Florida police picket lines en route to a get-out-the-vote rally in vote-rich Orlando.

Aides said the demonstration, staged by members of the Orlando Police Department represented by Fraternal Order of Police Local 25, was sprung on the campaign without prior notice in an effort to embarrass the city's Democratic mayor, Buddy Dyer. Local media describe the union as Republican-leaning, the same label aides to Mayor Thomas M. Menino attached to the Boston Police Patrolmen's Association in the midst of its dispute before the Democratic National Convention in July.

''It was a surprise demonstration by an organization that supports President Bush," said David Wade, a spokesman for Kerry.

The officers' contract expired Oct. 1. The city has offered the membership a 2 percent raise, as it did all city labor unions. The union is seeking 4 percent.

One of the pickets, Officer Paul Bruning, said the union notified Democratic officials in Miami last week of its plans to picket Kerry both at Orlando International Airport and at the Barnett Park Recreation Center.

''It's not against John Kerry; it's our mayor that's treating us poorly," Bruning said. ''Boston police were at an impasse for two years, and after he refused to cross, they had a contract in two weeks."

On June 26, the day before he had been scheduled to address the mayors' conference, Kerry told the Globe: ''I don't cross picket lines. I never have." Nearly a month later, on July 22, a state-appointed arbitrator settled the dispute by awarding the Boston officers a 14.5 percent raise over four years.

CAN YOU BELIEVE ANYTHING HE SAYS????

Unright · 10-19-2004, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jcookc6

Aides said the demonstration, staged by members of the Orlando Police Department represented by Fraternal Order of Police Local 25, was sprung on the campaign without prior notice in an effort to embarrass the city's Democratic mayor, Buddy Dyer. Local media describe the union as Republican-leaning, the same label aides to Mayor Thomas M. Menino attached to the Boston Police Patrolmen's Association in the midst of its dispute before the Democratic National Convention in July.

Did you even read the article you provided? The Orlando PD picket line was sprung up at the last minute to embarrass democrats in response to the comment Kerry made.

I swear both the extreme right and extreme left piss me off with their fucking weak one-sided rhetorics. Take off the fucking blinders!

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Originally Posted by jcookc6

CAN YOU BELIEVE ANYTHING HE SAYS????

Yes.

Unnecessary comment removed. Don't do it again.

-lebell

Master_Shake · 10-19-2004, 05:42 AM

I can believe anything he says, of course, but I recognize that he speaks in wild generalizations and makes promises that he probably can't keep to every group he meets; just like our current president. They're both full of shit, and neither one is your friend.

Consider that they are both spending hundreds of millions of dollars to get a job that pays only a couple of hundred thousand. They're obviously doing it for other reasons, probably because they have deep psychological and social inadequacy issues. Do you really want a mental patient running the country?

Mephisto2 · 10-19-2004, 05:42 AM

No need to curse and SHOUT at the same time.

Tsk tsk.

Mr Mephisto

Stompy · 10-19-2004, 07:20 AM

I thought we already made it apparent that both sides flip-flop?

Another wasted post..

Superbelt · 10-19-2004, 07:42 AM

You forget Stompy
Step 1: Call Kerry a flip-flopper
Step 2: Ignore Bush flip-flops
Step 3: ??!
Step 4: Profit!

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Rekna · 10-19-2004, 07:43 AM

If this is the type of stuff kerry haters are resorting to posting now they are getting very desperate.

roachboy · 10-19-2004, 07:58 AM

is it just my impression, or is debate in the politics forum tanking as the selection draws close?

why is this happening?

powerclown · 10-19-2004, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by roachboy

is it just my impression, or is debate in the politics forum tanking as the selection draws close?

why is this happening?

It's like an online version of Extreme Swift Boat ads.

djtestudo · 10-19-2004, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Unright

Did you even read the article you provided? The Orlando PD picket line was sprung up at the last minute to embarrass democrats in response to the comment Kerry made.

Did you read the part you quoted?

AIDES SAID

cthulu23 · 10-19-2004, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by djtestudo

Did you read the part you quoted?

AIDES SAID

Well, obviously you can grant unconditional trust to the other side, right? Democrats never tell the truth in some peoples eyes.

This is just another example of throwing as much mud as possible at Kerry in the hope that something sticks. Two weeks to go.....

Superbelt · 10-19-2004, 09:18 AM

My father: "Of course Kerry won all the debates, all he does is lie."
"I don't blame Bush for rolling his eyes or making faces, he had to deal with what Kerry was saying."

Stuff like that, plus all the other bullshit talking points he spews now (thanks to Michael "Savage" Wiener) is why I can't bring myself to visit my parents until after the election is over.

Lebell · 10-19-2004, 10:05 AM

This post degenerated into the usual BS.

Speaking as one of staff, I will be glad when this election is over.

Thread closed.

10-19-2004, 04:36 AM	#1 (permalink)
jcookc6 Psycho Location: Venice, Florida	Another Flip Flop! What else is new for the embellisher? "I will never cross a picket line" This article is from John Kerry's House Paper. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/..._picket_lines/ FLORIDA Kerry crosses two police picket lines By Glen Johnson, Globe Staff \| October 19, 2004 ORLANDO, Fla. -- Last summer, John F. Kerry refused to cross a police picket line and address the US Conference of Mayors meeting in Boston. Last night he rode in a motorcade that crossed two Florida police picket lines en route to a get-out-the-vote rally in vote-rich Orlando. Aides said the demonstration, staged by members of the Orlando Police Department represented by Fraternal Order of Police Local 25, was sprung on the campaign without prior notice in an effort to embarrass the city's Democratic mayor, Buddy Dyer. Local media describe the union as Republican-leaning, the same label aides to Mayor Thomas M. Menino attached to the Boston Police Patrolmen's Association in the midst of its dispute before the Democratic National Convention in July. ''It was a surprise demonstration by an organization that supports President Bush," said David Wade, a spokesman for Kerry. The officers' contract expired Oct. 1. The city has offered the membership a 2 percent raise, as it did all city labor unions. The union is seeking 4 percent. One of the pickets, Officer Paul Bruning, said the union notified Democratic officials in Miami last week of its plans to picket Kerry both at Orlando International Airport and at the Barnett Park Recreation Center. ''It's not against John Kerry; it's our mayor that's treating us poorly," Bruning said. ''Boston police were at an impasse for two years, and after he refused to cross, they had a contract in two weeks." On June 26, the day before he had been scheduled to address the mayors' conference, Kerry told the Globe: ''I don't cross picket lines. I never have." Nearly a month later, on July 22, a state-appointed arbitrator settled the dispute by awarding the Boston officers a 14.5 percent raise over four years. CAN YOU BELIEVE ANYTHING HE SAYS????

10-19-2004, 05:42 AM	#3 (permalink)
Master_Shake Addict Location: Pennsylvania, USA	I can believe anything he says, of course, but I recognize that he speaks in wild generalizations and makes promises that he probably can't keep to every group he meets; just like our current president. They're both full of shit, and neither one is your friend. Consider that they are both spending hundreds of millions of dollars to get a job that pays only a couple of hundred thousand. They're obviously doing it for other reasons, probably because they have deep psychological and social inadequacy issues. Do you really want a mental patient running the country? __________________ ------------- You know something, I don't think the sun even... exists... in this place. 'Cause I've been up for hours, and hours, and hours, and the night never ends here.

10-19-2004, 07:20 AM	#5 (permalink)
Stompy Banned from being Banned Location: Donkey	I thought we already made it apparent that both sides flip-flop? Another wasted post.. __________________ I love lamp.

10-19-2004, 07:58 AM	#8 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	is it just my impression, or is debate in the politics forum tanking as the selection draws close? why is this happening? __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

10-19-2004, 10:05 AM	#13 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	This post degenerated into the usual BS. Speaking as one of staff, I will be glad when this election is over. Thread closed. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

10-19-2004, 05:42 AM	#4 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	No need to curse and SHOUT at the same time. Tsk tsk. Mr Mephisto

10-19-2004, 07:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	You forget Stompy Step 1: Call Kerry a flip-flopper Step 2: Ignore Bush flip-flops Step 3: ??! Step 4: Profit! /.

10-19-2004, 07:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	If this is the type of stuff kerry haters are resorting to posting now they are getting very desperate.

10-19-2004, 09:18 AM	#12 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	My father: "Of course Kerry won all the debates, all he does is lie." "I don't blame Bush for rolling his eyes or making faces, he had to deal with what Kerry was saying." Stuff like that, plus all the other bullshit talking points he spews now (thanks to Michael "Savage" Wiener) is why I can't bring myself to visit my parents until after the election is over.