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zandor45w 09-03-2004 11:01 AM

5% undecided
 
Even after both conventions there are still 5% or more of likely voters who have not made up your mind. Considering how different the canidates are, why haven't you made up your minds?

Flyguy 09-03-2004 11:08 AM

Your guess is as good as anybody's. But I'll tell you this, that 5% will decide this election.

BigGov 09-03-2004 11:14 AM

Because they despise both?

Because the wording of the poll could have been done incorrectly?

Because they have something better to do than make up their minds months in advance?

I doubt this 5% will decide the election, it's people that will get out and actually vote. 50% turnout over the past few years has been the norm, if that other 50% gets off their collective bi-partisan asses and gets out and votes, then that 5% might matter. Apparently it's easy for a bunch of people to vote in a simple poll someone calls them up with, but when it comes time in November it apparently because extremely difficult to find that simple poll and voice your opinion.

SecretMethod70 09-03-2004 11:42 AM

Easy - both candidates suck in different but equally important ways. I'm decided on who I'm voting for, but if you were to ask me to decide between Bush and Kerry I would be undecided right now. Remember, there are still debates - these undecided people may simply be people who want to make sure they get as much of the info as possible before making a decision.

kurty[B] 09-03-2004 11:51 AM

I'm undecided, and of the opinion I want as much info as possible before voting. Right now, I'm heavily leaning towards Kerry, but I'm not going to say I'm definitely voting for him until I have as much information as possible.

CoachAlan 09-03-2004 11:56 AM

I was in the Kerry camp because I strongly didn't like Bush. But as time passes, I'm finding plenty of reasons not to like Kerry. For this reason, I have switched from Kerry to undecided.

I also don't like Nader, and the libertarian platform is too far out for me. So I'm waiting for the debates, essentially hoping Kerry will say something to win me over. I'm sure he's 10x the debater that Bush is, so chances are I'll be voting for Kerry. If he doesn't, then I'll try to find a third party candidate I can go with.

Scipio 09-03-2004 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachAlan
I was in the Kerry camp because I strongly didn't like Bush. But as time passes, I'm finding plenty of reasons not to like Kerry. For this reason, I have switched from Kerry to undecided.

I also don't like Nader, and the libertarian platform is too far out for me. So I'm waiting for the debates, essentially hoping Kerry will say something to win me over. I'm sure he's 10x the debater that Bush is, so chances are I'll be voting for Kerry. If he doesn't, then I'll try to find a third party candidate I can go with.

I'll go ahead and say, as a solid Dem, that Bush is a difficult person to debate. He comes across naturally, and with a command of the principles, if not always a command of the facts. In my mind, the debates are a tossup at this point.

guthmund 09-03-2004 12:41 PM

Good point.

Say what you must about President Bush, he can give the impression of a very personable guy. He won't always say the right thing or he may mispronounce it, but in a debate, especially a televised debate, it isn't always what you say, but how you say it.

I can't say I'm a fan of the President, but I know better than to write him off just yet.

Seaver 09-03-2004 01:15 PM

In debates I would (unbiased) go for Bush.

Bush is a very personable debator, and always seems calm and comfterble. He gives simple answers that people appreciate and make great soundbites. Kerry gives long drawn out answers. These are GREAT in the Senate where not saying the wrong thing is more important than saying the right thing. But the public doesnt like these types of answers, and I have never seen a picture of him where he looks natural. Be it snowboarding or flipping waffles he always looks like he's trying to figure out why he's there.

tecoyah 09-03-2004 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Seaver
In debates I would (unbiased) go for Bush.

Bush is a very personable debator, and always seems calm and comfterble. He gives simple answers that people appreciate and make great soundbites. Kerry gives long drawn out answers. These are GREAT in the Senate where not saying the wrong thing is more important than saying the right thing. But the public doesnt like these types of answers, and I have never seen a picture of him where he looks natural. Be it snowboarding or flipping waffles he always looks like he's trying to figure out why he's there.


I'm sorry....but I need to side with someone a bit more....shall we say intellectual than Mr. Bush. Speaking coherently is a prerequisite to debate in America. I would also appreciate someone who uses words we can all agree are......real.


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