The new Draft? - Page 2 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

tecoyah · 05-09-2004, 02:36 AM

Women in support roles, Men in combat. Problem solved. Good 'ol hunter gatherer mentality.

NoSoup · 05-09-2004, 10:19 PM

Agreed, I would rather have 50 people that want to fight for our country that 100 people that don't....

Kadath · 05-10-2004, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by debaser
No, quite the opposite. You see, in the Army black men and white men don't fuck each other. Hell, by your reasoning maybe we can even enlist fungus and marsupials. In a few years there should be no problem, because all situations are analogous, right?

If you really need a more in depth explanation please tell me, and I will be happy to oblige.

I don't think I do. Having just exposed yourself as opposed to homosexuals in the army, you need do nothing more for me. If you are of that opinion, we can hardly hope to find common ground on women. I do appreciate your fine example of a strawman, though.

debaser · 05-10-2004, 02:16 PM

I have no problem at all with homosexuals in the military as long as they adhere to DOD policy. If no one knows about their sexual orientation then it cannot be much of a problem, can it?

You are under the misunderstanding that the military is an egalitarian organization. It is not. It is a totalitarian, hierarchical organization dedicated to killing the enemy as efficiently as possible so that the rest of the country can be egalitarian and wonderful.

The strawman was yours, dear sir. I was being fececious in my statement. If you truely think that gender relations are even vaguely related to race relations then we may indeed have trouble seeing eye to eye on this issue.

Kadath · 05-10-2004, 05:08 PM

You're a funny guy. You claim to have no problem with homosexuals in the military, so long as they adhere to DOD policy. I assume that includes not having sex with other male military personnel. What is the problem, then, with women in the unit, so long as they do not have sex with their compatriots?
I don't give a good god damn how the army is run, and I am under absolutely no misunderstanding as to its fairness or purpose.
If you truly don't see any parity between race and gender relations then I'm truly nonplussed. You've a remarkable view of the world.

debaser · 05-11-2004, 03:03 PM

Your assumtion is wrong. Do a google search on "Don't ask, Don't tell".

The acronym we use is SAM.

S statements
A acts
M marraige

As long as none of these are observed, there is no problem.

I have yet to see a co-ed unit where sexual tensions were not an issue. And you have yet to answer my question: what does the Army gain by allowing women in combat arms units.

Then you said:

Quote:

I don't give a good god damn how the army is run, and I am under absolutely no misunderstanding as to its fairness or purpose.

Well you should care, and if you truely understood its purpose you would not be taking the line of argument (or tone) that you are in this thread.

Paq · 05-11-2004, 05:46 PM

sorry, not to be stereotypical, but yeah, i'd totally say that mixing of genders in a unit is a story for trouble. Namely, most guys i've seen going through basic come out with testosterone levels through the roof, so any form of sexual tension is going to surface quickly.

doesn't have much to do with this discussion, but ignoring the consquences of sexual tension is not a good idea.

Kadath · 05-11-2004, 06:17 PM

debaser, we are getting nowhere. Thanks for, you know, being in the military. Keep up the good work.

Wax_off · 05-11-2004, 09:40 PM

[edit] should have RTFA.

05-12-2004, 07:51 PM

Put me in jail for refusing to go, I would still be able to see my family then.

gondath · 05-13-2004, 12:44 AM

Forget putting me in jail for refusing to serve. I'll leave the country altogether. I've heard how people are treated in our prisons.

05-09-2004, 02:36 AM	#41 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	Women in support roles, Men in combat. Problem solved. Good 'ol hunter gatherer mentality. __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha

05-10-2004, 02:16 PM	#44 (permalink)
debaser Sir, I have a plan... Location: 38S NC20943324	I have no problem at all with homosexuals in the military as long as they adhere to DOD policy. If no one knows about their sexual orientation then it cannot be much of a problem, can it? You are under the misunderstanding that the military is an egalitarian organization. It is not. It is a totalitarian, hierarchical organization dedicated to killing the enemy as efficiently as possible so that the rest of the country can be egalitarian and wonderful. The strawman was yours, dear sir. I was being fececious in my statement. If you truely think that gender relations are even vaguely related to race relations then we may indeed have trouble seeing eye to eye on this issue. __________________ Fortunato became immured to the sound of the trowel after a while.

05-10-2004, 05:08 PM	#45 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	You're a funny guy. You claim to have no problem with homosexuals in the military, so long as they adhere to DOD policy. I assume that includes not having sex with other male military personnel. What is the problem, then, with women in the unit, so long as they do not have sex with their compatriots? I don't give a good god damn how the army is run, and I am under absolutely no misunderstanding as to its fairness or purpose. If you truly don't see any parity between race and gender relations then I'm truly nonplussed. You've a remarkable view of the world. __________________ it's quiet in here

05-11-2004, 05:46 PM	#47 (permalink)
Paq Junkie Location: South Carolina	sorry, not to be stereotypical, but yeah, i'd totally say that mixing of genders in a unit is a story for trouble. Namely, most guys i've seen going through basic come out with testosterone levels through the roof, so any form of sexual tension is going to surface quickly. doesn't have much to do with this discussion, but ignoring the consquences of sexual tension is not a good idea. __________________ Live. Chris

05-11-2004, 06:17 PM	#48 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	debaser, we are getting nowhere. Thanks for, you know, being in the military. Keep up the good work. __________________ it's quiet in here

05-09-2004, 10:19 PM	#42 (permalink)
NoSoup Non-Rookie Location: Green Bay, WI	Agreed, I would rather have 50 people that want to fight for our country that 100 people that don't....

05-11-2004, 09:40 PM	#49 (permalink)
Wax_off No Avatar, No Sig.	[edit] should have RTFA.

05-12-2004, 07:51 PM	#50 (permalink)
:::OshnSoul::: Guest	Put me in jail for refusing to go, I would still be able to see my family then.

05-13-2004, 12:44 AM	#51 (permalink)
gondath Insane Location: Alton, IL	Forget putting me in jail for refusing to serve. I'll leave the country altogether. I've heard how people are treated in our prisons.